Sharingan's copying ability

[Made in Heaven]

Wrong.

It was never stated that the Sharingan copies only the hand seals. It has always been said that the Sharingan is able to copy jutsus - more specifically, any jutsus that aren't KKG.

If the Sharingan can only copy jutsus that require hand seals, how do you think Sasuke managed to copy Lee's speed/taijutsu?

It's not just Bloodline limits. Konohamaru did say it can't copy high-level techniques, like S-rank or A-rank powers like Byakugo or Rasengan, which would explain why Sasuke had to learn Chidori, an A-rank technique, while Salad copied Shadow Clone, which is B-rank.

Or those with unique properties for that matter, like Aburame techniques, Sage Mode, or Gates.

 

[salamander uchiha]

It's not just Bloodline limits. Konohamaru did say it can't copy high-level techniques, like S-rank or A-rank powers like Byakugo or Rasengan, which would explain why Sasuke had to learn Chidori, an A-rank technique, while Salad copied Shadow Clone, which is B-rank.

Or those with unique properties for that matter, like Aburame techniques, Sage Mode, or Gates.

This is nonsense by high level techs Konohamarus referring to those with unique properties(Aburame etc) and bloodlines.

With 1 tomoe sharingan Sarada already copied a B rank jutsu. Kakashi is confirmed to have copied A rank jutsu and used it against Zabuza. The only problem is can the jutsu be used straight away or do they still require some practise before use. For somebody like Sarada who has perfect chakra control required for CES they can be used straight away right off the bat as she demonstrated with SCJ and Buntan's jutsu.

Sasuke learning chidori is likely to do with refining and mastering it the same thing he did with Rock Lee's thaijutsu. To master a jutsu takes time learning and copying can be done with relative ease and the databook confirms there are only a few restrictions. Like physical ability ie genes and strength of body and the ability to produce chakra necessary to use said jutsu.

 

[Vulpini]

It's not just Bloodline limits. Konohamaru did say it can't copy high-level techniques, like S-rank or A-rank powers like Byakugo or Rasengan, which would explain why Sasuke had to learn Chidori, an A-rank technique, while Salad copied Shadow Clone, which is B-rank.

Or those with unique properties for that matter, like Aburame techniques, Sage Mode, or Gates.

What salamander said above. Kakashi managed to copy and use A-Rank jutsus. I think Sharingan may be able to copy even S-Rank jutsus, it's just up to the user whether he's skilled enough to reproduce what he just copied.

Sasuke was pretty skilled as a kid, but not enough to use Chidori, that's why he had to train for it.

 

[Nick01]

Good for Sarada.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

OP: No.

Sarada can only learn Rasengan if someone teaches it to her. Sharingan ain't copying it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

OP: No.

Sarada can only learn Rasengan if someone teaches it to her. Sharingan ain't copying it.

The databook disagrees with you.

 

[Made in Heaven]

by high level techs Konohamarus referring to those with unique properties(Aburame etc) and bloodlines.

Konohamaru states it can't copy high level techniques AND techniques with unique properties, not that techniques with unique properties are high-level.

With 1 tomoe sharingan Sarada already copied a B rank jutsu. Kakashi is confirmed to have copied A rank jutsu and used it against Zabuza.

That doesn't mean Salad will be able to copy techniques like Rasengan, which is the peak of of shape manipulation. I don't think I need to remind you how upset Sasuke was that Rasengan > Chidori, yet even with his eyes, he never copied Rasengan. Simply because, as Konohamaru said, Sharingan can't copy high-level techniques like that.

The only problem is can the jutsu be used straight away or do they still require some practise before use.

Agree.

For somebody like Sarada who has perfect chakra control required for CES they can be used straight away right off the bat as she demonstrated with SCJ and Buntan's jutsu.

Shadow Clone is basic B-rank, even the likes of Kiba pulled it off. Buntan's techs have no rank, iirc, and I doubt any of them are A-rank techniques considering how relatively weak they are. I'm not denying Salad can copy certain A-rank techniques like Kakashi did, but the properties of Rasengan coupled with Sasuke never copying it make it abundantly clear it more likely than not can't be copied in the same vein as what Salad did with Shadow Clone.

Sasuke learning chidori is likely to do with refining and mastering it the same thing he did with Rock Lee's thaijutsu. To master a jutsu takes time learning and copying can be done with relative ease and the databook confirms there are only a few restrictions. Like physical ability ie genes and strength of body and the ability to produce chakra necessary to use said jutsu.

Agree, and in that same vein, it can be said Salad was able to master Buntan's techniques easier than what Sasuke with Chidori did since they are lower in difficulty. Not to mention Salad's affinity is Lightening while Sasuke's is fire.

 

[Mori Jin]

Databook also states that Temari can blow the solar system away. Guess that's a fact as well.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Konohamaru states it can't copy high level techniques AND techniques with unique properties, not that techniques with unique properties are high-level.

The databook scan explains everything the sharingan can and can't do. And the sharingan can make any jutsu it's own being the peak of shape manipulation itself isn't a special property or a restriction to it's ability.

That doesn't mean Salad will be able to copy techniques like Rasengan, which is the peak of of shape manipulation. I don't think I need to remind you how upset Sasuke was that Rasengan > Chidori, yet even with his eyes, he never copied Rasengan. Simply because, as Konohamaru said, Sharingan can't copy high-level techniques like that.

So Kakashi can copy A rank jutsu with sharingan and Sarada can't copy A rank Jutsu with sharingan. You assume Sasuke couldn't or didn't copy it Sasuke not using a jutsu isn't proof of him not having copied it. Where do you get these kind of arguments from. The fact is sharingan can and has been shown to copy A rank jutsu, rassngan is an a rank Jutsu I don't need to say anything more than that.



Agree.

Shadow Clone is basic B-rank, even the likes of Kiba pulled it off. Buntan's techs have no rank, iirc, and I doubt any of them are A-rank techniques considering how relatively weak they are. I'm not denying Salad can copy certain A-rank techniques like Kakashi did, but the properties of Rasengan coupled with Sasuke never copying it make it abundantly clear it more likely than not can't be copied in the same vein as what Salad did with Shadow Clone.

There's no such thing as basic B rank or advanced B rank unless you have a canon source for this. Kakashi copied A rank jutsu with sharingan therefore Sarada can copy A rank jutsu rasengan is an A rank jutsu. The just is ranked on difficulty so that mites that point. Sasuke not using Rasengan doesn't mean he can't whether Sasuke was upset about rasengan or not is irrelevant to this argument.

Agree, and in that same vein, it can be said Salad was able to master Buntan's techniques easier than what Sasuke with Chidori did since they are lower in difficulty. Not to mention Salad's affinity is Lightening while Sasuke's is fire.

Your mistaken Sasuke's affinity is lightning and Sarada's is unknown so that points out of the window. Now I repeat the databook sets the only few restrictions and we have confirmation that A rank Jutsu have been copied and therefore can be copied. Unless you can bring evidence contrary to this just accept the rasengan can be copied.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The databook disagrees with you.

Nope it doesn't. It clearly says chakra, handseals...

The only thing the sharingan can see. It can record the type of chakra and the hand seals used to create that particular type of chakra and deduce every detail of its creation.
Rasengan is a technique that doesn't involve any hand seals so sure the sharingan can see the chakra and notice the nature of the technique but it simply can't deduce the principles involved in its creation.

Sharingan can only copy what it can see.

Now as far as this part is concerned...

is its copying ability, that of making one's own any technique one sets eyes upon.

Then we all know that that isn't correct. Sharingan can't copy KKG techniques so again one needs to take the translation with a grain of salt which OP clearly doesn't in favor of mindless wank :lol

Anyway everything will be clear if Sarada ever learns the technique and how she learns it. The sharingan may help her to an extent but not the way the OP is implying.

 

[Kakooli]

there'z a reason kishi made it impossible for sasuke to watch teh chunin exam matches.......nice thread brate!!!

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Sharingan can Copy Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu techniques. But it copies the handseals and reads the flow of chakra (that is what handseals are for anyway) and then knows how said technique works. It's why they can't do any of the kkg/t/m techniques as they don't have the bloodline. Copying Rasengan is one thing, doing the actual technique is another story. Like with Sasuke learning chidori and not copying it and Lee's movement (he had to train to actually be able to do it, after copying it). Plus they need the actual affinity for the technique to do it. They can copy say like a earth technique but if the user doesn't have the affinity for the technique, he/she won't be able to do it.

What did you even prove with this post? You are rambling the same thing which has already been cleared. What a messy post bahahahahaha. By your logic, kkg which uses hand seals can be copied by sharingan? What a fool. Sharingan can see chakra and its colour, so it can easily decipher the workings by the way the person molds the chakra. No need for hand seals otherwise copying taijutsu which doesnt use hand seals would be impossible fool. Are you that salty? Repeating the same BS over and over? Where in the DB is it stated they copy through just hand seals? It just has to visually see the technique. In an instant, all the workings of a jutsu will be clearly deciphered and thats what the DB says but you are here whining about how salt pricks salty mouth. Get real. Lmao only a fool says sharingan cant copy nature element techniques, Wow, how can kakashi use all 5 elements? Seriously retarded trash logic clinging useless idiot. Sasuke wasnt at lee's level when he copied it, and it had the physical factor of strength and speed, but what would be the case if early shippuden sasuke tried copying rasengan? It would be a piece of cake. FRS, same case. Any average uchiha can use all the powerful techniques of the most powerful shinobi because the average uchiha is more talented than the most talented commoner in NV said by Sasuke whom orochimaru considered more genius than him. Oro was considered a genius who appears only decades. More genius than minato, hence why he was considered first option for hokage. So sarada with little bit training would already be capable of copying any technique bar KKG, KKT, KKM, in a jiffy. You can stay with more salt in all sides though. Chidori is an even more difficult technique than rasengan yet Sasuke easily mastered it. Hyuga fans are too salty with salt in mouth nowadays. They just cant accept facts.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Nope it doesn't. It clearly says chakra, handseals...

The only thing the sharingan can see. It can record the type of chakra and the hand seals used to create that particular type of chakra and deduce every detail of its creation.
Rasengan is a technique that doesn't involve any hand seals so sure the sharingan can see the chakra and notice the nature of the technique but it simply can't deduce the principles involved in its creation.

Sharingan can only copy what it can see.

Now as far as this part is concerned...


Then we all know that that isn't correct. Sharingan can't copy KKG techniques so again one needs to take the translation with a grain of salt which OP clearly doesn't in favor of mindless wank :lol

Anyway everything will be clear if Sarada ever learns the technique and how she learns it. The sharingan may help her to an extent but not the way the OP is implying.

The Sharingan's true power, in addition to the threat posed by its insight...*is its copying ability, that of making one's own any technique one sets eyes upon. Chakra, handseals... all the principles bringing the jutsu into existence will be recorded into the caster's memory in the blink of an eye, making its utilization possible.*Of course, the necessary volume of chakra and physical ability requirements must be met,

Actually your misreading it, It's posting chakra, handseals... all the principles bring the jutsu into existence. Now the list isn't saying handseals based jutsu it means whatever is necessary to bring the jutsu into existence is copied. Rasengan as an example build chakra into hand swirl it contain it the sharingan will just copy that which is necessary. As for the following part it makes it clear physical requirements must be met Kekkei Genkai are genetic and genes are part of the body. So thwrefore its creating exceptional which exclude jutsu that require special physical requirements.

The databook entry is correct your denial is not.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The databook scan explains everything the sharingan can and can't do. And the sharingan can make any jutsu it's own being the peak of shape manipulation itself isn't a special property or a restriction to it's ability.

Yes it is because Konohamaru said that high level techniques can not be copied in the same anime series where Salad was using 1T to copy techniques.

So Kakashi can copy A rank jutsu with sharingan and Sarada can't copy A rank Jutsu with sharingan.

Never said that.

You assume Sasuke couldn't or didn't copy it Sasuke not using a jutsu isn't proof of him not having copied it.

Burden of proof is on you. Show me Sasuke copying Rasengan or using it. Doubt you can just like how you can't show me Hanabi using 64 Palms. Bottom line stays the same: Sasuke never copied Rasengan because he couldn't copy it's high-level complexity, just like Konohamaru said, and got ass hurt over it and ran away to Orochimaru for help.

The fact is sharingan can and has been shown to copy A rank jutsu, rassngan is an a rank Jutsu I don't need to say anything more than that.

Two techniques being in the same ranking doesn't mean they're the same in complexity. Planterary Rasengan, which requires KCM, and Mystical Healing Palm are both A-rank. Do please tell me they're both the same tier of power and complexity. Go on. :lol

There's no such thing as basic B rank or advanced B rank unless you have a canon source for this.

I guess Lightening Chakra Mode, FTG Slash, and Shadow Clone are all the same tier because they are all B-rank.

Yeah, guess you're right, but wow, to think Sasuke and Izuna got negged by techniques on par with a move Kiba can use!

And while I'm at it, Night Guy = RasenShuriken = Tailed Beast Bomb because they are all S-rank of course. :th:

Your mistaken Sasuke's affinity is lightning

No it isn't, it's Fire hence why he learned it first, only time Lightening is called Sasuke's affinity is in the anime.

and Sarada's is unknown so that points out of the window.

Lightening is so far her one and only affinity, meaning that is her natural one.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Nope it doesn't. It clearly says chakra, handseals...

The only thing the sharingan can see. It can record the type of chakra and the hand seals used to create that particular type of chakra and deduce every detail of its creation.
Rasengan is a technique that doesn't involve any hand seals so sure the sharingan can see the chakra and notice the nature of the technique but it simply can't deduce the principles involved in its creation.

Sharingan can only copy what it can see.

Now as far as this part is concerned...


Then we all know that that isn't correct. Sharingan can't copy KKG techniques so again one needs to take the translation with a grain of salt which OP clearly doesn't in favor of mindless wank :lol

Anyway everything will be clear if Sarada ever learns the technique and how she learns it. The sharingan may help her to an extent but not the way the OP is implying.

Your completely full blown in mindless wank, here. It can copy any technique, where's the retcon or wrong in here? Was it ever restricted from copying all jutsu? No. It can copy every technique and make its own, correct, but the only ones, they can use directly are techniques with no genetic factor. Like kkg require bloodline transfered abilities which cannot be reproduced artificially. It can copy the mechanics of KKG but the sharingan user cant perform the technique unless he or she somehow imbues the cells of the KKG user into oneself to gain the genetic factor and use the formerly copied KKG jutsu for himself. It isnt anything wrong that sharingan can copy any technique, its just your little mentality which cant accept sharingan is OP.

 

[Askeladd]

I want a scan of the Sharingan copying the Rasengan, can you please provide us the scan Salamander?

 

[salamander uchiha]

I want a scan of the Sharingan copying the Rasengan, can you please provide us the scan Salamander?

Don't need the databook confirms sharingan can copy jutsu and and manga confirms A rank have been show to be copied. It's within the parameters of copying. There is 0 special condition that stops it from being copied and their are 0 physical requirements that stop it from being copied.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I gave you everything and you ignored it had the entry read chakra and handseals you'd have a point. The comma shows separation between the 2.

You can ignore facts and make excuses like the other :salt:lords

Scan of Rasengan being copied please.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I gave you everything and you ignored it had the entry read chakra and handseals you'd have a point. The comma shows separation between the 2.

You can ignore facts and make excuses like the other :salt:lords

You gave nothing other than some misinterpreted nonsense.

Based on DB and your poor interpretation skills
Temari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke...

 

[Made in Heaven]

You gave nothing other than some misinterpreted nonsense.

Based on DB and your poor interpretation skills
Temari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke...

Funny part is this guy wants to ignore Konohamaru's anime statment even though the anime is the only place Salad's eyes have any feats XD

Lmao, if kakashi could copy 1000 techniques, how much more can the normal uchiha? Stupidity is alarming as hell. Very stupid. extremely stupid. Pathetically. moronically. garbagically. stupid. What a stupid...garbage post. Uchihas could copy 100000 techniques with no care mind you. Someone like kakashi not genetically adapted to sharingan could copy 1000 lmfaoooo. Its a rare KKG even in the uchiha clan for a reason, unlike byakugan, which every commoner in the clan has. Kishi is purposefully nerfing it. It can copy any technique which its "eyes" has seen, which means with the help of any of uts principles, handseals, chakra, secret method, anything. Another databook says no secret is hidden before the sharingan which proves no matter how much someone tries to hide thier jutsu secret, it will be revealed with the perception of the eye. Konohamaru was talking about specialized techniques like kidomaru's web technique which need special enzymes and curse seal type techniques which require special mediums to be applicable.

Tell me more.