Sharingan Tomoe Explained

[Mellanoma]

Made a thead about this long ago but now that Sarada has a 1 Tomoe it sort of answers some questions I had.


The # of tomes (Based on the limited manga information we have) shows us the tomoe add additional utilities but the eye itself doesn't get stronger until you get to Mangekyou ranks.

The only thing the Tomoe does have a direct impact on is the level it perceives things. Based on Manga information (New Sarada info) I can conclude the following:

1 Tomoe - Allows Jutsu Copying and Genjutsu (Sarada Copying raiton)

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2 Tomoe - Perceive things slower (Sasuke vs Haku)

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3 Tomoe - See things before it happens (Precog) (Naruto vs Sasuke)

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The only thing that seems to strengthen is your ability to perceive and predict movements. Even MS/EMS improves this based on Madara's comments about Sasuke.

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[chaos control]

Very good observations. I agree with all but one thing:

You said that sharingan doesn't get stronger until MS. I disagree with that. Additional utilities/abilities are a form of getting stronger

 

[Mellanoma]

Very good observations. I agree with all but one thing:

You said that sharingan doesn't get stronger until MS. I disagree with that. Additional utilities/abilities are a form of getting stronger

This is true I worded it incorrectly.

Tomoe give utility/perception
MS gives more offensive capabilities which is what I mean't by stronger.

 

[SZiaee]

Nice thread ... Madara was talking about Choku tomoe though ... not MS/EMS

 

[Mellanoma]

Nice thread ... Madara was talking about Choku tomoe though ... not MS/EMS

which is given when you have MS/EMS correct?

 

[SZiaee]

which is given when you have MS/EMS correct?

Madara already knew Sasuke had EMS , no? He mentioned that the good moves of Sasuke are because of Choku tomoe ... And later on , if I remember correctly , when Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan , Madara said that Sasuke could be a better student than Obito because he has Choku tomoe and now he awakened the Rinnegan .
I think they are different .

 

[salamander uchiha]

Number 1 is wrong.

Sharingan 1 tomoe allows to copy what it sees, genjutsu and clarity. Although Sarada can somehow tell if somebody's under genjutsu, I don't know how she does it.

2 tomoe increases the above and allows to see chakra and changes in it, so if somebody's under genjutsu(Obito sees chakra and runs changed chakra) or that around is genjutsu(Sasuke against rain ninja in chunin exam). That would also allow the ability to see chakra while copying enhancing those abilities further.

3 tomoe takes all the previous to it's peak I think even a looking colours of chakra and adds precognition.

 

[Mellanoma]

Number 1 is wrong.

Sharingan allows to copy what it sees, genjutsu and clarity.

Nice catch but the reason I didn't add it was due to Tomoe 2 increasing one's perception.

While true, Tomoe 1 can copy everything it sees I left out the general description as im sure you need atleast Tomoe 2 to slow things down before you can copy it. What do you think?

 

[Mellanoma]

Madara already knew Sasuke had EMS , no? He mentioned that the good moves of Sasuke are because of Choku tomoe ... And later on , if I remember correctly , when Sasuke awakens the Rinnegan , Madara said that Sasuke could be a better student than Obito because he has Choku tomoe and now he awakened the Rinnegan .
I think they are different .

Which is the design of his EMS. Remember Sasuke is the 2nd person to have EMS other than Madara. Obito never had EMS only MS

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Very good observations. I agree with all but one thing:

You said that sharingan doesn't get stronger until MS. I disagree with that. Additional utilities/abilities are a form of getting stronger

This is true I worded it incorrectly.

Tomoe give utility/perception
MS gives more offensive capabilities which is what I mean't by stronger.

Pretty much these. To put it simply, even taking away new jutsus and the cm, sasuke as a 3t is a much stronger opponent than sasuke at 1 or 2t. Vote1 showed us this much. It doesn’t make you physically stronger, but it sure makes you a stronger opponent to face so to speak

 

[salamander uchiha]

Nice catch but the reason I didn't add it was due to Tomoe 2 increasing one's perception.

While true, Tomoe 1 can copy everything it sees I left out the general description as im sure you need atleast Tomoe 2 to slow things down before you can copy it. What do you think?

My thoughts are 1 tomoe already slows things down. Sarada did slow down Buntan's movements and copy them with 1 tomoe so we know it definitely does that. With 2 tomoe they movements are further slowed down which makes it even easier to copy. However the 2 tomoe also allows to see chakra which enhances the copying ability past just handseals and allows to copy chakra as well.

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Number 1 is wrong.

Sharingan 1 tomoe allows to copy what it sees, genjutsu and clarity. Although Sarada can somehow tell if somebody's under genjutsu, I don't know how she does it.

2 tomoe increases the above and allows to see chakra and changes in it, so if somebody's under genjutsu(Obito sees chakra and runs changed chakra) or that around is genjutsu(Sasuke against rain ninja in chunin exam). That would also allow the ability to see chakra while copying enhancing those abilities further.

3 tomoe takes all the previous to it's peak I think even a looking colours of chakra and adds precognition.

 

[Vulpini]

Sarada can use all Sharingan abilities with 1T: genjutsu, precog and copying jutsus.

I think 3T will just enhance all those abilities and it'll also allow her to use her Sharingan without draining too much chakra.

 

[Mellanoma]

Number 1 is wrong.

Sharingan 1 tomoe allows to copy what it sees, genjutsu and clarity. Although Sarada can somehow tell if somebody's under genjutsu, I don't know how she does it.

2 tomoe increases the above and allows to see chakra and changes in it, so if somebody's under genjutsu(Obito sees chakra and runs changed chakra) or that around is genjutsu(Sasuke against rain ninja in chunin exam). That would also allow the ability to see chakra while copying enhancing those abilities further.

3 tomoe takes all the previous to it's peak I think even a looking colours of chakra and adds precognition.

Couple times in the manga the "level" of the eye was inconsistent with the user. I guess it makes sense since the Sharingan is a tool and tools are dependent on the user. Considering Sarada has perfect chakra control I imagine her eye prowess is ahead of the curve however that breaks the logic behind the Sharingan completely.

Logic Breaking Sharingan feat 1: Kakashi with Riku chakra was capable of creating perfect susanoo
Logic Breaking Sharingan feat 2: Obito using Rinnesharingan dimension portals with Sakura boosting


Because of this I can't argue what's right and what's wrong since the manga has shown us both sides.
Based on what you put I can only say the exception to the rule would be someone like Sarada who's daughter to Current Sage AND has perfect chakra control thus stimulating her prowess even more.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Couple times in the manga the "level" of the eye was inconsistent with the user. I guess it makes sense since the Sharingan is a tool and tools are dependent on the user. Considering Sarada has perfect chakra control I imagine her eye prowess is ahead of the curve however that breaks the logic behind the Sharingan completely.

Logic Breaking Sharingan feat 1: Kakashi with Riku chakra was capable of creating perfect susanoo
Logic Breaking Sharingan feat 2: Obito using Rinnesharingan dimension portals with Sakura boosting


Because of this I can't argue what's right and what's wrong since the manga has shown us both sides.
Based on what you put I can only say the exception to the rule would be someone like Sarada who's daughter to Current Sage AND has perfect chakra control thus stimulating her prowess even more.

The Sharingan breakdown you're referring to is MS and post Rikudo Chakra. Obito syncing with Kaguya's dimension via dojutsu which has similar mechanics isn't so far fetched. Sakura providing the chakra necessary was more like a battery. Obito coming back was the one that took the cake but Kakashi carried the boost to the MS was because of Obito's rokudo chakra.

Sarada definitely has an exception being the child of the sage of 6 paths. Couple that with perfect chakra control makes things easier for her especially copying jutsu. You know the handseals and you're chakra control is perfect you'll be able to replicate jutsu easier.

 

[Mellanoma]

The Sharingan breakdown you're referring to is MS and post Rikudo Chakra. Obito synching with Kaguya's dimension via dojutsu which has similar mechanics isn't so far fetched. Sakura providing the chakra necessary was more like a battery. Obito coming back was the one that took the cake but Kakashi carried the boost to the MS was because of Obito's rokudo chakra.

Sarada definitely has an exception being the child of the sage of 6 paths. Couple that with perfect chakra control makes things easier for her especially copying jutsu. You know the handseals and you're chakra control is perfect you'll be able to replicate jutsu easier.

So if Chakra is the reason then explains why Sarada is capable of doing so much with her 1 tomoe which makes it hard to use her as an example since she can technically do just about everything with 1 tomoe.

There are lots of things that never got explained in the manga which is what I disliked but thats the manga for you

 

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[salamander uchiha]

So if Chakra is the reason then explains why Sarada is capable of doing so much with her 1 tomoe which makes it hard to use her as an example since she can technically do just about everything with 1 tomoe.

That's not what I meant, I meant she would find it easier to copy jutsu etc. However she wouldn't gain new abilities because of chakra control. Any chakra effect she receives will likely be post MS like Indra who whipped out a PS with a Mangekyou Sharingan and was able to see.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Just as everyone hands work differently, sharingan works differently, the only exception are siblings. Sarada sharingan is different from part 1 Sasukes

 

[Uverdore9]

What Sasuke saw in his fight was the Kyuubi's Chakra if I remember correctly and not Naruto's Hand in slow motion.

Also, the Precognition and Illusion Powers increase by each tomoe like it is noted by Sasuke.

 

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