[Suggestion] Sharingan Awakening

[Necron]

Ok, I was thinking that the "one training session per tomoe" thing is a bit too much. I mean, everyone with an Uchiha Bio must find 4 senseis to fully get to use it. Personally I am stuck with a 1 tomoe for more than a full year now. It's also unfair compared to the Byakugan, as the latter is activated by default. So, my suggestion is this:

-All the training of the sharingan is done in the same thread (both jutsu and usage), with one training session. This way, the user will learn everything they need to know about their dojutsu.

-Tomoe are activated with time. For example, you gain your first tomoe one month after you make the bio, then you reach your second tomoe when you still have the bio 2 months after you activated the sharinga, and the 3rd tomoe in 5 months.

-Finally, about the MS, give everyone an opportunity to pass a battle test to obtain it. Not just senseis. How hard the test will be is up to the tester, but someone might be fully able to pass the test, and only lack training in some area (thus unable to take the sensei test).

Hope you all like those suggestions.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Ok, I was thinking that the "one training session per tomoe" thing is a bit too much. I mean, everyone with an Uchiha Bio must find 4 senseis to fully get to use it. Personally I am stuck with a 1 tomoe for more than a full year now. It's also unfair compared to the Byakugan, as the latter is activated by default. So, my suggestion is this:

-All the training of the sharingan is done in the same thread (both jutsu and usage), with one training session. This way, the user will learn everything they need to know about their dojutsu.

-Tomoe are activated with time. For example, you gain your first tomoe one month after you make the bio, then you reach your second tomoe when you still have the bio 2 months after you activated the sharinga, and the 3rd tomoe in 5 months.

-Finally, about the MS, give everyone an opportunity to pass a battle test to obtain it. Not just senseis. How hard the test will be is up to the tester, but someone might be fully able to pass the test, and only lack training in some area (thus unable to take the sensei test).

Hope you all like those suggestions.

Jyuuken isn't exactly easy to learn...So it's actually not unfair.

Mods are already working on new MS rules...


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Just wait, I still haven't even mastered basic 5 yet >_>

 

[Necron]

Jyuuken isn't exactly easy to learn...So it's actually not unfair.

Mods are already working on new MS rules...


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Just wait, I still haven't even mastered basic 5 yet >_>

I was talking about the fact that, if you make a Hyuuga bio, your Byakugan is automatically activated, wile if you make an Uchiha, you have to find a Sensei to get your Sharingan activated. Also, the Byakugan has much more features than the 1 tomoe sharingan, that is why I believe it's unfair... U_U

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

I was talking about the fact that, if you make a Hyuuga bio, your Byakugan is automatically activated, wile if you make an Uchiha, you have to find a Sensei to get your Sharingan activated. Also, the Byakugan has much more features than the 1 tomoe sharingan, that is why I believe it's unfair... U_U

Well that's how it is in the manga is it not? Hyuga are born with it (Maybe it Maybelline) and Uchihas have to "awaken" it. So our RP is just reflecting that aspect of the Manga.

 

[ReXii]

Ok, I was thinking that the "one training session per tomoe" thing is a bit too much. I mean, everyone with an Uchiha Bio must find 4 senseis to fully get to use it. Personally I am stuck with a 1 tomoe for more than a full year now. It's also unfair compared to the Byakugan, as the latter is activated by default. So, my suggestion is this:

-All the training of the sharingan is done in the same thread (both jutsu and usage), with one training session. This way, the user will learn everything they need to know about their dojutsu.

-Tomoe are activated with time. For example, you gain your first tomoe one month after you make the bio, then you reach your second tomoe when you still have the bio 2 months after you activated the sharinga, and the 3rd tomoe in 5 months.

-Finally, about the MS, give everyone an opportunity to pass a battle test to obtain it. Not just senseis. How hard the test will be is up to the tester, but someone might be fully able to pass the test, and only lack training in some area (thus unable to take the sensei test).

Hope you all like those suggestions.

Jyuuken isn't exactly easy to learn...So it's actually not unfair.

Mods are already working on new MS rules...


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Just wait, I still haven't even mastered basic 5 yet >_>

I agree with Necron, when i first started i also used an Uchiha, and i tried and tried and tried, bugged every sharingan sensei and sempai at the time, on pratically a daily basis, it still took months to get my 2T and nearly a year for my 3T, and this is literally asking constantly for it, in the end the only reason i got it was thanks to finally breaking Pervy's spirits, then he taught me the 3T and the genjutsu.
But waiting that long for a KG is a bit extreme, i understand at the time it was done in the hopes of limiting the huge number of Uchiha bio's and there misuses.
But these days such a method seems outdated.
To add to the suggestion i think the best way to work it is like this.

1T : one month
2T : two months
3T : four months

That is a fair amount of time to gain them, the added twist to maintain RP realism should be something like, having an uchiha bio for two months prior to awakening activates the 2T by default, as we saw in the manga sasuke awakened a 2T eye and a 1T eye.
Obito's eye awakened at 2T also i believe.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

I like the idea...
I may not even support MS request as it will again be OPed but getting up to 3T itself is too difficult right now.. That's one of the reason I dropped Uchiha bio..

 

[Yugure]

I agree with Necron, when i first started i also used an Uchiha, and i tried and tried and tried, bugged every sharingan sensei and sempai at the time, on pratically a daily basis, it still took months to get my 2T and nearly a year for my 3T, and this is literally asking constantly for it, in the end the only reason i got it was thanks to finally breaking Pervy's spirits, then he taught me the 3T and the genjutsu.
But waiting that long for a KG is a bit extreme, i understand at the time it was done in the hopes of limiting the huge number of Uchiha bio's and there misuses.
But these days such a method seems outdated.
To add to the suggestion i think the best way to work it is like this.

1T : one month
2T : two months
3T : four months

That is a fair amount of time to gain them, the added twist to maintain RP realism should be something like, having an uchiha bio for two months prior to awakening activates the 2T by default, as we saw in the manga sasuke awakened a 2T eye and a 1T eye.
Obito's eye awakened at 2T also i believe.

Yeah, and what was it, maybe a couple of days before he and Kakashi unlocked their MS>.<

I think it would be better to say that you need to use your Sharingan in so many battles to unlock the next level, so one will have some experience with the 1T before they get 2T etc.

 

[Vayne]

Ok, I was thinking that the "one training session per tomoe" thing is a bit too much. I mean, everyone with an Uchiha Bio must find 4 senseis to fully get to use it. Personally I am stuck with a 1 tomoe for more than a full year now. It's also unfair compared to the Byakugan, as the latter is activated by default. So, my suggestion is this:

-All the training of the sharingan is done in the same thread (both jutsu and usage), with one training session. This way, the user will learn everything they need to know about their dojutsu.

-Tomoe are activated with time. For example, you gain your first tomoe one month after you make the bio, then you reach your second tomoe when you still have the bio 2 months after you activated the sharinga, and the 3rd tomoe in 5 months.

-Finally, about the MS, give everyone an opportunity to pass a battle test to obtain it. Not just senseis. How hard the test will be is up to the tester, but someone might be fully able to pass the test, and only lack training in some area (thus unable to take the sensei test).

Hope you all like those suggestions.

@Bold what if someone got lucky and unlocked his second to tomoe sharingan after three days of activation, or what if someone trained the student in 1T$2T in same thread that would be un-fair for them.

@Red I am totally against this, it would indeed be nice to have a MS, but I think that perk should be reserved for sensei fir the work they put on the site, it will be a good reward for them, the only thing they get is a glowy name woot woot.

Yeah, and what was it, maybe a couple of days before he and Kakashi unlocked their MS>.<

I think it would be better to say that you need to use your Sharingan in so many battles to unlock the next level, so one will have some experience with the 1T before they get 2T etc.

I disagree with this, the student can get his friends to fight him in the battles and gain said amount of battle in a week for example, and if the battle have to be official then one can still use his friend they will wait until the friend needs to drop the bio and do it.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

Yeah, and what was it, maybe a couple of days before he and Kakashi unlocked their MS>.<

I think it would be better to say that you need to use your Sharingan in so many battles to unlock the next level, so one will have some experience with the 1T before they get 2T etc.

Easily can be exploited.

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But all in all, I disagree with the majority of the suggestion.

 

[Scorps]

I just revamped the current Sharingan rules completely. From the base up. However, I think there might be a misconception currently that I adressed. Nothing stops you from going from 1Tomoe to 3Tomoe with the same sensei. Its just logical that it has to be done in different training sessions because in each of them you approach different things from the sharingan. Different abilities. But that part will be better explained.

You will, however, still need to awaken it and it will be awakening at 1T. That won't change.

As for MS sorry but no. And don't expect that to change. MS is a perk reserved for Senseis and in some random, very rare ocasions tournaments dedicated to it. But not only is it a perk as its an ability that requires much skill and much "wisdom" to use fairly and correctly. So it will be bound to the people who both help our RP grow and work for it as well as the people who actually go through 2 tests + the ms test itself.

But Sharingan and Byakugan were revamped and are just pending some minor edits and tweeks to be launched. If all goes well, either today or tomorrow you'll all get to see it.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Then I wouldn't get to torture my students so much. Such shame.
And I actually think the byakugan is too easy. One must work to get results, and to know how to properly use their power.

About the MS, I agree on that part, however the test should be difficult. There aren't too many people with the MS in the naruto verse, so it should not be too easy.

All in all, I think the current system is good enough.

 

[Ragnaroc]

seems like Scorps has already taken care of everything. I do agree that it was a misconception about needing different sensei's to train because i would always train people from 1t all the way to 3t just not at once because i nearly killed a few >.>

though I'm torn between whether MS should be a sensei only deal or be opened up to other members but after a extreme screening, written test and battle test. On the one hand i like being one of the few none sensei members to be able to retain MS but i do thik its a bit unfair.

 

[Necron]

not pleased with the Sharingan and Byakugan Updates U_U The byakugan just gained the ability to determine chakra natures and the Sharingan didn't gain anything, instead it became a bit weaker, by needing to activate it on the start of your move...

...since I'll probably never get a sensei to activate my 2 other tomoe, I think I'll just go make a Hyuuga... -_-(not really considering it, just joking) (and I'm an Uchiha fan, btw...)

Now, seriously, I think this with the time-tomoe relation would be for the best... U_U

 

[Method]

Sharingan is a more complexed form within the RP system, the use of Sharingan is something that can be easily misunderstood for many RPers regarding time frames, Genjutsu usage & so on, I do not like the whole session thing much myself but at the same time I do think it is a better way to get used to Sharingan & I do think the system that is effective atm does work well for RP.

Thats just my little old opinion though :T_T:

 

[Ouacus]

I don't think so but maybe they could at least give the on tomoe automatically :shrug:

 

[Scorps]

not pleased with the Sharingan and Byakugan Updates U_U The byakugan just gained the ability to determine chakra natures and the Sharingan didn't gain anything, instead it became a bit weaker, by needing to activate it on the start of your move...

...since I'll probably never get a sensei to activate my 2 other tomoe, I think I'll just go make a Hyuuga... -_-(not really considering it, just joking) (and I'm an Uchiha fan, btw...)

Now, seriously, I think this with the time-tomoe relation would be for the best... U_U

I bet you think that indeed. I mean, then you wouldn't need training or any kind of effort to use a sharingan. Knowing how to use it however is another different issue.

Making something be given auto just because time passes is not a good principle. Its the lazy principle that ends up messing things up instead of fixing them.

The sharingan is a complex enough set of abilities that, even when properly trained and used, may raise time frame issues and other issues such as the whole "avoid eye contact thing". So no, you won't get it auto. You'll be trained in it and evolve it. As it was, is and will be the correct method to attain its abilities.

Now, you say Byakugan gained abilities and the sharingan was depowered and even needs to spend a move to activate it. Its clear that a) you didn't read the rules properly, b) you don't understand both Doujutsu properly and c) your goal is to have everything free and unrestricted.

Regarding a) let me explain that, like the sharingan, byakugan also requires the activation. Unlike the sharingan however, Byakugan requires you to master Gentle fist to use it without spending a move while sharingan you only need to obtain the 3T and have it for a set amount of time to actually use it passively. So your logic there is false and its clear you didn't even care about reading the rules of both doujutsu before complaining about a non-issue.

as for b) byakugan users could already figure that set of reasonings as could sharingan users. They see chakra...thus they can see the details of chakra and in some cases reason logically the nature behind it. If its ssharp chakra its bound to be wind. If its vibrant, its bout to be lightning. etc etc. But your inability to understand the core different between seeing something and predicting it is really weird. Because a doujutsu user can see the nature of a chakra released on the field, doesn't mean he can predict it (duh...the chakra is already on the field so there isn't really much to predict upon right?) or react before it happens. Predicting is a Sharingan ability. One that was 99% of the time misused and for that reason not used at all. However, in this revamp I made sure that ability of foresight is still usable and reasonable as is the copying ability. I made sure the sharingan can use both abilities which are core of its own manga abilities. Also, in our rp people just needed to say "i don't look into your eyes" and that was that. You could simply avoid sharingan techniques (their core perks and abilities) by saying that. However, I made sure that is only possible for Taijutsu masters, like it was seen in the manga. Giving sharingan its power and ability back. So sorry if you feel that way but you're wrong and you're wrong because you simply read what you wanted to read and not what is there and that is a fruit of your own inability to understand the abilities and their uses.

as for the final c), it will never happen. You can have all the abilities in the RP. You just need to fit the requirements to have them. Simple. You complain that no senseis exist? or not enough better put. Then take the sensei test, train others and help the system instead of complaining. You complain MS is only sensei boudn? well, what does a sensei gain for teaching? nothing. Does he have to? no. But shouldn't we also take into consideration that they should moraly get access to special abilities because they are senseis and work for free for the base? In all honesty, I wish more powerfull things required sensei ship. Since people don't become senseis or teach because they want to help the base, perhaps they would do it if it meant they could get access to some unique abilities. May be the wrong principle (yes, it is) but its the reality. You can't complain that things have restrictions because if they hadn't you would only fight madara, nagato and naruto bios in the rp. Restriction have a logic and reasoning behind them. One that is clear you fial to understand but that i suggest you try to because the RP won't change in that aspect regardless of how much whining members throw at our hard work.

From the overall RP community i got about 30 positive feedbacks from normal members, senpais, senior sharingan and MS senseis (only point made was perhaps the excessive chakra cost for maintaining the sharingan active which will be revised) and only your negative input.This means the rules are overal reaosnable, good and for once do get the majority of supporters.

 

[ZK]

You complain MS is only sensei boudn? well, what does a sensei gain for teaching? nothing. Does he have to? no. But shouldn't we also take into consideration that they should moraly get access to special abilities because they are senseis and work for free for the base? In all honesty, I wish more powerfull things required sensei ship. Since people don't become senseis or teach because they want to help the base, perhaps they would do it if it meant they could get access to some unique abilities. May be the wrong principle (yes, it is) but its the reality. You can't complain that things have restrictions because if they hadn't you would only fight madara, nagato and naruto bios in the rp. Restriction have a logic and reasoning behind them. One that is clear you fial to understand but that i suggest you try to because the RP won't change in that aspect regardless of how much whining members throw at our hard work.

From the overall RP community i got about 30 positive feedbacks from normal members, senpais, senior sharingan and MS senseis (only point made was perhaps the excessive chakra cost for maintaining the sharingan active which will be revised) and only your negative input.This means the rules are overal reaosnable, good and for once do get the majority of supporters.

Wat?
Waaaaaaaaaaaat?
Following that logic; I am morally deserving of special privileges because I volunteer a service that I'm qualified to provide.
I volunteer a service of my own free will, therefore; I should be paid.
Following NB-logic: I volunteer a service. My help is not accepted until I pass a test. After passing the test, I automatically gain access to a wealth of benefits because I passed the test I volunteered for?

It's actually an extremely flawed principle. You're judging students on their exams, instead of judging them on the work they've done through the semester.

You're awarding privileges to people whom are able to teach special abilities and elements to other members. To become able to teach both special abilities and elements, one needs to pass a test.
However; if one wants to teach special abilities, one simply applies to become a Shishou by displaying one's abilities with that specific ability. If one wants to teach elements, one simply displays one's abilities with the elements and aks a Sensei to let oneself teach the elements.
This is flawed logic. Technically, I can teach the basic five and a special ability, all with the skillset and experience of a Sensei, without gaining anything. Yet you tell me that Senseis, whom are essentially 'advanced Sempais', should have more privileges?
If that's the case; the system for becoming a Sensei should be rewamped entirely. Especially if there's a need for more Senseis.

Now that I think about it; it's basically two workers whom have the same amount of experience and abilities, yet one of them has passed a test and is therefore of a higher rank.
With that higher rank comes more pay, even though the guy doesn't work more.
This is fundamentally flawed, in my opinion.

I do agree with the notion that teachers should be the only ones who can obtain a MS.

 

[Ragnaroc]

Wat?
Waaaaaaaaaaaat?
Following that logic; I am morally deserving of special privileges because I volunteer a service that I'm qualified to provide.
I volunteer a service of my own free will, therefore; I should be paid.
Following NB-logic: I volunteer a service. My help is not accepted until I pass a test. After passing the test, I automatically gain access to a wealth of benefits because I passed the test I volunteered for?

It's actually an extremely flawed principle. You're judging students on their exams, instead of judging them on the work they've done through the semester.

You're awarding privileges to people whom are able to teach special abilities and elements to other members. To become able to teach both special abilities and elements, one needs to pass a test.
However; if one wants to teach special abilities, one simply applies to become a Shishou by displaying one's abilities with that specific ability. If one wants to teach elements, one simply displays one's abilities with the elements and aks a Sensei to let oneself teach the elements.
This is flawed logic. Technically, I can teach the basic five and a special ability, all with the skillset and experience of a Sensei, without gaining anything. Yet you tell me that Senseis, whom are essentially 'advanced Sempais', should have more privileges?
If that's the case; the system for becoming a Sensei should be rewamped entirely. Especially if there's a need for more Senseis.

Now that I think about it; it's basically two workers whom have the same amount of experience and abilities, yet one of them has passed a test and is therefore of a higher rank.
With that higher rank comes more pay, even though the guy doesn't work more.
This is fundamentally flawed, in my opinion.

I do agree with the notion that teachers should be the only ones who can obtain a MS.

unless I'm wrong, and I have been out of the game for a while but just because a sensei has access to something special like MS doesn't mean they get it automatically. they still have to work and train for it just like anybody else as well as waiting for another sensei who has that specialty to train them while they are training other people.

and you seem to have a general misunderstanding about the Sensei position. its not a position you simply volunteer for and everybody gets a test, you have to apply for it have your credentials examined and than if your approved for the test you have to pass both a time written exam and a practical exam against another sensei. Its a lot harder to become a sensei than just volunteering because Sensei's are more like employees where only the best and brightest were chosen.

and you say your not gaining anything while training, but thats not true because you are gaining the experience and knowledge on how to properly train people within the NB RP system. That knowledge and experience will eventually aid you in become a full sensei with all the perks and privileges available too you, though with your attitude I don't think you'd be a very good sensei.

your example about two equally skilled workers is flawed because if the other worker was of a higher rank that would also mean that he has more responsibilities placed on them than the other person who didn't take or pass the test. You could be going from a assistant manager to a manager position which means that you would still have some of the previous responsibilities when you were a Assistant but you would also have more and harder responsibilities. Maybe that test is for certification, a lot of mechanic shops especially in dealerships will only hire ASE certified mechanics who have passed tests to gain those certifications yet they may be equally as skilled as someone who doesn't have those certifications. thus your "flawed" example is itself fundamentally flawed and thus pointless.

To quote Damien Sandow: "YOUR WELCOME!"

 

[Alternative]

as for b) byakugan users could already figure that set of reasonings as could sharingan users. They see chakra...thus they can see the details of chakra and in some cases reason logically the nature behind it. If its ssharp chakra its bound to be wind. If its vibrant, its bout to be lightning. etc etc.

lol

How can someone see sharp or vibrant chakra? Based on the whole paper ordeal we saw when Naruto found out he had a Wind nature to his chakra? While we're at it, if the chakra looks wet it's obviously water chakra, and if it looks like it will burst into ashes it's fire chakra. Based on that fact alone, you can tell if something is wind or lightning chakra, that's it.
That logic makes no sense. >_<

As for getting these next abilities for Sharingan, why not make it so that you need to have a Sharingan for x time before you're allowed to upgrade it? Instead of having to rush it with the same sensei, or getting different sensei, you are required to have yoru level of Sharingan for a certain period of time, before you're allowed to upgrade it. It ensures people will most likely know the bounds of that sharingan's level, and you can't rush it either. Sort of like the Akimichi rules for Pills and Calorie Control techniques.

 

[Scorps]

Wat?
Waaaaaaaaaaaat?
Following that logic; I am morally deserving of special privileges because I volunteer a service that I'm qualified to provide.
I volunteer a service of my own free will, therefore; I should be paid.
Following NB-logic: I volunteer a service. My help is not accepted until I pass a test. After passing the test, I automatically gain access to a wealth of benefits because I passed the test I volunteered for?

It's actually an extremely flawed principle. You're judging students on their exams, instead of judging them on the work they've done through the semester.

You're awarding privileges to people whom are able to teach special abilities and elements to other members. To become able to teach both special abilities and elements, one needs to pass a test.
However; if one wants to teach special abilities, one simply applies to become a Shishou by displaying one's abilities with that specific ability. If one wants to teach elements, one simply displays one's abilities with the elements and aks a Sensei to let oneself teach the elements.
This is flawed logic. Technically, I can teach the basic five and a special ability, all with the skillset and experience of a Sensei, without gaining anything. Yet you tell me that Senseis, whom are essentially 'advanced Sempais', should have more privileges?
If that's the case; the system for becoming a Sensei should be rewamped entirely. Especially if there's a need for more Senseis.

Now that I think about it; it's basically two workers whom have the same amount of experience and abilities, yet one of them has passed a test and is therefore of a higher rank.
With that higher rank comes more pay, even though the guy doesn't work more.
This is fundamentally flawed, in my opinion.

I do agree with the notion that teachers should be the only ones who can obtain a MS.

If you feel unappreciated as a senpai and want to take the next step, why not stop complaining and take the sensei test, pass and actually become one? Seems quite easy to me.

Oh, and for all the comparisson between senseis and senpais... Sensei conducts and organizes battle tests, help out in maitaining the jutsu list, oversee fights, judgements, are bound to teach. Senpais teach the students their senseis send them. As a senpai is nothing more than an assistant teacher. A helper. Not a fullly fledged professor or teacher. So your logic is flawed and one sided as well, zero.

lol

How can someone see sharp or vibrant chakra? Based on the whole paper ordeal we saw when Naruto found out he had a Wind nature to his chakra? While we're at it, if the chakra looks wet it's obviously water chakra, and if it looks like it will burst into ashes it's fire chakra. Based on that fact alone, you can tell if something is wind or lightning chakra, that's it.
That logic makes no sense. >_<

As for getting these next abilities for Sharingan, why not make it so that you need to have a Sharingan for x time before you're allowed to upgrade it? Instead of having to rush it with the same sensei, or getting different sensei, you are required to have yoru level of Sharingan for a certain period of time, before you're allowed to upgrade it. It ensures people will most likely know the bounds of that sharingan's level, and you can't rush it either. Sort of like the Akimichi rules for Pills and Calorie Control techniques.

Time for sharingan wont happen. Period.

As for the rest... did you read the manga and seen the anime? if so you wouldn't need to ask why one with a dojutsu can see that a chakra is sharp or vibrant or that it manifests heat. You would also understand why it can't be done for earth and water. And again, I'm talking about chakra released on the field...not the one inside you. I'm talking about MOLDED and NATURE MANIPULATED chakra. Not the one PASSIVELY circulating inside you. Sorry for such advanced concepts but one would expect members to actually understand this before criticizing the work that they lack the knowledge to even grasp. The paper serves to acertain the primary nature of your chakra. Your raw chakra has an inclination towards an element. That is passive and can only be determined by that method with the paper for the chakra tree. The chakra you can see released on the field for an elemental technique has already gone through both manipulations: shape and nature. And as such can be clearly seen to that the properties of those elements as it was already molded forcefully into them before releasing the technique. What people fail to understand is that this "detection" ability doesn't pertain to chakra inside you but chakra you release for a technique.

Thanks rag btw ^^