I agree if you make a vs from two verses than all participants obey both verse's rules. You can't say Ichigo wins because people can't see spirits, that defeats the entire purpose of the discussion.
Disagree entirely. The best part about versus match-ups are keeping the rules and seeing how they affect the battle. If Ichigo can only be seen or killed by a certain category of people and OP characters don't fit it, then that sucks for OP characters ; that just means Ichigo has an advantage. It's no different than an OP match up of a Logia vs someone with no Haki. Some people will have inherent advantages over others. If you need to erase a trait of a character so the other in the match doesn't lose, then you have your winner from the get go.
I'll agree to disagree and maybe Ichigo wasn't my best available example but like I said what's the point of posing the question if you prevent one participant from even seeing the other? The question becomes invalid as there is no actual vs to be had. I think a better example and more seen is the debate between chakra and ki where people say Goku can't fall into genjutsu because he doesn't have chakra. Well A. Everyone has chakra in them according to the concept of chakra so saying he doesn't have it because it's not called the same or identified by name never sat right imo and B, ki and chakra are essentially the same thing. Then we get into Reitsu(spiritual energy) which is essentially the same concept as Chakra or Ki(not exactly the same which is why I say essentially, they're all spiritual energy)
That's why you choose your participants wisely. Stupid matches exist everywhere,by your logic they shouldn't exist at all.
Lol this is not even close then. Madara and Obito stomp. Also why did you put Shanks here? Should've added someone we've atleast seen fight like Akainu.
