ShaneEyyy's Tier List V2

[ShaneEyyy]

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That's a pretty top notch thread there

What? He can only take out Darui, Hidan and Chiyo. By hype Fugaku is above Zabuza because I believe a true Uchiha like Fugaku is a more skilled user of the 3 tomoe sharingan compared to part 1 Kakashi. Zabuza isn't beating the rest in his tier

Dude you already told me Zabuza is beating Kitsuchi at least half the time, probably more than half. I have the VM as proof lol. But Zabuza is also capable of beating Mifune, I will debate this if you disagree. All we know about Fugaku Uchiha is that he had a 3 tomoe Sharingan and Katon. Zabuza's mist blocks the Sharingan and his Suiton over powers his Katon. Plus it's more than likely Zabuza is more skilled in the CQC department. He is beating Fugaku and debating he doesn't because of hype
(which Zabuza's hype is greater) is ignorant.

and loses to a bunch of high jounin levels like Yamato, Sakura, Temari, Neji, Lee and Chouji. Sure he may have a good chance at beating some of these guys, I won't deny that.

Yeah, a good chance in beating them while facing off 1 v 1. But if you put them in an actual situation where Zabuza would be hiding in the trees ready to assassinate one of them, he is taking them out. Say Chouji, Temari, Sakura, and possibly Yamato are walking (seperately), if Zabuza is hiding in the trees and tries to assassinate them, Choji isn't going to have the time to just grow enormous because Zabuza will already be behind him so he's taking him out. Temari and Sakura's speed is inferior so they aren't escaping. Yamato has the same speed but doesn't have Sharingan so he has less reactions than Part 1 KKakashi so more than likely he isn't escaping either. You have to look at it like that. Putting Zabuza right in front of them aand starting the match is against his style, thus putting him at a disadvantage.

Temari's movement speed is lacking, I'll agree but her reaction speed is up there and she does have an nice shunshin feat that I could highlight if you are wondering. Temari is actually physically very strong because she carries a large metal fan and can casually swing such a heavy and bulky weapon. During the chunin exams, after her fight with Shikamaru, she ran away from Sasuke with Gaara, his sand gourd and her own fan on her(

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). So after coming from a fight and losing some chakra, she was running full speed with so much weight of her shoulders. Bare in mind this is only chunin exams Temari and the current older version of Temari is even more physically stronger.

Temari doesn't need fast handseals since swinging a fan is much faster than casting seals so her jutsu execution speed is already much faster than most hand seal jutsu users.

As for Temari's speed, well during Naruto's fight with the 3rd Raikage, she managed to visually keep up with KM Naruto and v1 3rd Raikage (

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) and actually analysed what was going on which goes to show that her mind was also able to keep up with what was going on with those two. Temari was able to notice that the guy in the cloak was Naruto despite the fact that she doesn't know how Naruto in his new cloak looks like and the fact that Naruto was running at high speeds (

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). Even the Sandaime Raikage was showing signs of not being able to see Naruto properly in that same panel at the right. Temari managed to realize what Naruto was up to so she was able to once again able to see what was going on and process all that information in her brain at a pretty high speed (

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Temari also has a nice shunshin which goes unnoticed. She arrived alongside Shikamaru and Chouji (

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) and just one page later, the Juubi attacked the alliance with a shockwave from its tail. By the time the Juubi swung its tail (

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), Temari had already shunshined her way all the way to the cliff at the back, far away from Shikamaru and Chouji and managed to swing her fan to counter this attack (

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). The reason why the distance was so great is because there were thousands of people behind Shikamaru and Chouji. The cliff was up high which was why it may seem close but in reality, it was a large distance.

As for chakra reserves, well like I said, during the chunin exams, she had enough stamina to run while carrying so much load on her back all after her fight with Shikamaru. This form of Temari has lower chakra reserves than SRA Temari let alone current Temari. BTW SRA Temari managed to

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, while using a

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, without feeling

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. In part 2, it was hinted that even while low on chakra, Temari still had enough chakra to utilize KiriKirimae multiple times in a short interval (

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We all agree that she is a top 3 fuuton user on the same level as Naruto and Danzo if we count both power, jutsu execution speed and versatility right? We also agree that she is very intelligent so I'm not going to waste my time on that. Also apart from offence, Temari's jutsu works as a

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as well. Can't say the same for most other fuuton users.

Nice effort and I agree Temari is impressive and those are nice feats, but facts remain that the above tier just has better feats. The data book backs up my claim of that. Her speed, strength, stamina, and speed still is overall inferior to the above tier. Also, her Taijutsu and Genjutsu lacks considerably. She just doesn't have the overall power to be up there.

Do you get what I'm trying to say here? I may consider moving her up, depending on the amount of ninja she can actually beat in the above tier.

What Yamato is definitely more versatile than them, not debatable. He has impressive doton and is

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so his

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Also his mokuton is

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Furthermore, he can create a large waterfall while using

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at the

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Who can Yamato defeat that's in the above tier? Zabuza and possibly Hidan? I can only think those are the ones that he can beat, yet Zabuza and Hidan are more well rounded than he is.

Most people hate Sakura so they don't admit that she can beat the likes of Zabuza, etc.

Or she actually can't beat him. I do admit she has her chances, but Zabuza is winning more times out of 10

What? Sai stomps Hinata. Flight is very hax because it allows one to evade ground based fighters. He has ink clones to boot as we.. Sai

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against early Shippuden Naruto, Early Shippuden Shikamaru and Early Shippuden Chouji simultaneously so he is definitely mid jounin level. He fought on par against three high chunin and low jounin level ninjas. Also Sai managed to

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so his kenjutsu is good. As for Haku taking Sai out easily.. Well edo Haku is definitely high jounin level because he doesn't run out of chakra therefore he can keep his maximum speed in the mirrors indefinitely. Also before that, Sai managed to outmanoeuvre edo Deidara and edo Sasori so one explanation can be that he was lower on chakra while fighting Haku or since he was in mid air, he couldn't dodge Haku properly (

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Also you are currently placing Sai on the same tier as his bro even though his bro died a long time ago which means Sai mostly likely surpassed his level.

You're right. Sai gets moved up to mid jounin, and what tier should Hinato go into according to the list?

What? 4th Kazekage beats either Mei or Tsunade mid difficulty. His

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is on par with Gaara's sand tsunami. Gaara was in a desert so he managed to distract 4th Kazekage with sand in the air and then grabbed him from below. Gaara in the desert can solo Mei and Tsunade mid difficulty so your point is moot.

How does the 4th beat Mei and Tsunade?

No Chouza doesn't have butterfly mode without the pills which is why Chouji is one tier higher.

Alright, Chouza will move down 1 tier to mid jounin

Juugo'Nos CS was taking on the Raikage yet he is only on the same level as Kiba.

Alright Juugo gets moved up to mid Jounin, right?

Fine, do whatever you want with him but his intangibility is hax and managed to clash evenly with Darui in kenjutsu so their speed and CQC prowess is similar but Darui won because of elemental advantage and sharper sword.

I'll move Suigetsu up

See I'm agreeing with u on some parts and making the changes

 

[VolatileSoul]

The list is solid. I don't have any complaints.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

The list is solid. I don't have any complaints.

Thanks you're a good guy

 

[VangBro95]

What about this guy? The 10,000 year Genin.

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[sharingansennin]

PLEASE GIVE ME FEED BACK


Updated Tier list

I'm not listing the same character more than once because I think it's a waste of time listing a ninja's abilities from earlier in the manga like the CE, SRA, EP2, etc. I'm also not restricting Edo Tensei.



God Tier: (SS+)
Sage of the Six Paths
Juubito

Demi God Tier: (SS)
Kabuto
Orochimaru

Legend Tier: (SS-)
Hashirama
Madara
Naruto
Nagato
Sasuke

High - Legend Level:
Itachi
Minato

High Kage Tier: (S+)
Mu
Killer B
Prime Hiruzen (Low Kage if going by feats)
Onoki
2nd Mizukage
Third Raikage
Tobirama
Jiraiya
Izuna (hype)

Mid-High Kage Level:
Danzo
Kakashi
Kisame
Sasori
A
3rd Kazekage (hype)
Kin/Gin Brothers
Yagura
Gaara
Hanzo (hype)
Shisui (hype)

Mid Kage Tier: (S)
Kakuzu
Deidara
Mei
Tsunade
Guy
Sakumo Hatake (hype)

Low-Mid Kage Level:
4th Kazekage
Yugito
Roushi
Han
Utakata
Fu

Low Kage Tier: (S-)
Chiyo
Konan
Darui
Kitsuchi
Zabuza
Kimimaru
Mangetsu
Hidan
Mifune
Hiashi
Fugaku Uchiha (hype)
Zetsu

High Jounin Tier: (A+)
Sakura
Legendary Seven Swordsmen - Jinin, Jinpatchi, Ameyuri, Fuguki, Kushimaru (hype)
Yamato
Temari
Neji
Asuma
Chouji
Chouza
Hizashi
Kankuro
Lee

Mid Jounin Tier: (A)
Kurotsuchi
Pakura
Gari
Suigetsu
Shikaku
Haku
Torune
Inoichi
Fu
Kurenai
Dan
Dodai
Shino
Baki

Low Jounin Tier: (A-)
Sai
Hinata
Shikamaru
Akatsuchi
C
Kiba
Jugo
Chojuro
Toroi
Shizune
Ao
Sai's brother

Special Jounin Tier:
Anko
Aoba
Gemna
Hayate
Raido
Ibiki
Ebisu

High Chuunin Tier: (C+)
Kidomaru
Sakon/Ukon
Tayuya
Jiroubo

Mid Chuunin Tier: (C)
Izumo
Kotetsu
Omoi
Karui
Demon Brothers
Ino
Tenten

Low Chuunin Tier: (C-)
Konohamaru
Iruka
Mizuki
Karin
Dosu

High Genin: (D+)
Zaku
Kin
Shigure
Misume Tsurogi

Mid Genin: (D)
Yoroi
Hinabi

Low Genin: (D-)
Gato's two samurai
Udon
Moegi


Note: The characters aren't in EXACT order; however, I tried to make it close enough.

If you disagree with any placements just let me know and give me a good reason then I'll make the change.

1. Did I miss anybody?
2. Should the Jinchuuriki move up or perhaps down?

IMO Ao should be higher he got into a battle with Suisui Uchiha and didn't die

 

[Chīkara]

Suigetsu is high jounin above sakura.

 

[Penguin]

Yagura is not a perfect jin. He got put under a genjutsu. Danzo didn't know Yagura, so how could he know for a fact Yagura was a perfect jin?

Zabuza is high jounin, and Deidara is mid-high kage.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Yagura is not a perfect jin. He got put under a genjutsu. Danzo didn't know Yagura, so how could he know for a fact Yagura was a perfect jin?

Zabuza is high jounin, and Deidara is mid-high kage.

Why would Zabuza drop and others stay in that tier? He can take out Chiyo, Darui, Kitsuchi, Mifune, Hidan, and Fugaku. 6/11 ninja's in that tier. He also has comparable power to Kimi, Hiashi, and probably Mangetsu. He shouldn't be underrated.

 

[Penguin]

Why would Zabuza drop and others stay in that tier? He can take out Chiyo, Darui, Kitsuchi, Mifune, Hidan, and Fugaku. 6/11 ninja's in that tier. He also has comparable power to Kimi, Hiashi, and probably Mangetsu. He shouldn't be underrated.

Kitsuchi murks Zabuza. Kitsuchi and Mifune are the only ones that belong in low kage. The rest, along with Zabuza, belong in the high jounin.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Kitsuchi murks Zabuza. Kitsuchi and Mifune are the only ones that belong in low kage. The rest, along with Zabuza, belong in the high jounin.

No Kitsuchi doesn't....I debated this with Icelerate and changed his mind. He believes Zabuza is winning at least half the time.

I also debated Mifune. Mifune stops a user from using hand seals. Mifune interrupts his opponent from making seals, as shown against Hanzo. Hanzo to intercept Mifune blocked him with his blade. Zabuza can do the same. But here is the thing that Zabuza has, Zabuza can use mist with only 1 hand and 1 seal. So, he can block Mifune with 1 hand wielding his Kubikiribocho and activate the mist with his other. Once the mist is up, he can make a few Water Clones, do a couple feints, and it's over for Mifune

Chiyo and Konan are definitely on Kitsuchi and Mifunes' league

 

[Penguin]

No Kitsuchi doesn't....I debated this with Icelerate and changed his mind. He believes Zabuza is winning at least half the time.

I also debated Mifune. Mifune stops a user from using hand seals. Mifune interrupts his opponent from making seals, as shown against Hanzo. Hanzo to intercept Mifune blocked him with his blade. Zabuza can do the same. But here is the thing that Zabuza has, Zabuza can use mist with only 1 hand and 1 seal. So, he can block Mifune with 1 hand wielding his Kubikiribocho and activate the mist with his other. Once the mist is up, he can make a few Water Clones, do a couple feints, and it's over for Mifune

Chiyo and Konan are definitely on Kitsuchi and Mifunes' league

First off, I honestly could care less on what Icelerate thinks. He is a very smart member, but I doubt Kitsuchi loses to Zabuza. In fact, there is no way he does. What makes you think he can fend off Mifune with just one hand by the way? Zabuza would get tore up. Chiyo is not in Kitsuchi's league, and neither is Konan.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

First off, I honestly could care less on what Icelerate thinks. He is a very smart member, but I doubt Kitsuchi loses to Zabuza. In fact, there is no way he does. What makes you think he can fend off Mifune with just one hand by the way? Zabuza would get tore up. Chiyo is not in Kitsuchi's league, and neither is Konan.

There is no way he does? Do you want to debate that? Zabuza wins 6/10 times imo.

Mist has shown to activate in a matter of seconds, and once it starts activating, all Zabuza needs to do is leap back to a safe distance to avoid a blitz and then Silent Killing. He has shown to jump back a significant distance:

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Zabuza was a Legendary Swordsmen and his sword was huge with great length. There is no doubt that he could hold Mifune off with his superior physical strength and huge sword for a couple seconds, unless you want to tell me Mifune beats Zabuza in three seconds.

Kitsuchi has one OP tech....Actually how does he tech even beat Konan? Konan can just turn into paper so the Earth Sandwich tech would be useless. Konan actually beats Kitsuchi lol

 

[NarutoIndra]

There is no way he does? Do you want to debate that? Zabuza wins 6/10 times imo.

Mist has shown to activate in a matter of seconds, and once it starts activating, all Zabuza needs to do is leap back to a safe distance to avoid a blitz and then Silent Killing. He has shown to jump back a significant distance:

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Zabuza was a Legendary Swordsmen and his sword was huge with great length. There is no doubt that he could hold Mifune off with his superior physical strength and huge sword for a couple seconds, unless you want to tell me Mifune beats Zabuza in three seconds.

Kitsuchi has one OP tech....Actually how does he tech even beat Konan? Konan can just turn into paper so the Earth Sandwich tech would be useless. Konan actually beats Kitsuchi lol

Mist isn't even in the same magnitude with Mountain smash. Zabuza isn't avoiding Mountain smash.

 

[Red Slayer]

mhhh for me Minato(edo feats) still can beat Naruto and Sasuke...
Naruto and Minato are almost same but Minato has FTG....

 

[Red Slayer]

. Demi god = Kabuto/Orochimaru?? since when?

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[Icelerate]

Yeah, Zabuza and Hidan should drop to high jounin tier. Maybe Kimimaro and Darui should as well. Kitsuchi remains there as Zabuza only beats him if the starting distance is 20 m or less. Otherwise Kitsuchi one shots while Zabuza is still putting up the mist. If the distance is 20 meters or less though, Zabuza wins since while Kitsuchi has his hands on the ground, Zabuza will have closed the distance and Kitsuchi wouldn't be able to use the tech unless he wants to smash himself as well.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Mist isn't even in the same magnitude with Mountain smash. Zabuza isn't avoiding Mountain smash.

Yeah, Zabuza and Hidan should drop to high jounin tier. Maybe Kimimaro and Darui should as well. Kitsuchi remains there as Zabuza only beats him if the starting distance is 20 m or less. Otherwise Kitsuchi one shots while Zabuza is still putting up the mist. If the distance is 20 meters or less though, Zabuza wins since while Kitsuchi has his hands on the ground, Zabuza will have closed the distance and Kitsuchi wouldn't be able to use the tech unless he wants to smash himself as well.

So Zabuza and Darui drop because Zabuza beats Kitsuchi half the time?...that's ignorant.

Well for one if you put this in a realistic situation, Zabuza is an assassin, he will be hiding in trees or where ever, keeping himself concealed, and silently get behind Kitsuchi, closing the distance.

Plus I can't see Kitsuchi using Earth Sandwich right off the back once the fight starts

 

[TurrinB]

Here's my tier list, you can pretty much see the changes that I would make from it:

All Characters are counted in their strongest form we've seen. For example Minato is counted as his Edo reincarnated self, Obito is counted as his Juubi Jin self, etc...

Okami
Shinobi that have the power of Juubi

1. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki-hime
2. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki
3. Uchiha Obito

History's Strongest Shinobi
The Strongest character who haven't become gods through the Juubi's powers

1. Senju Hashirama
2. Uchiha Madara
3. Uzamaki Naruto
4. Namikaze Minato


History's Most Hax'd
Lacking the raw might of the above Shinobi, but nonetheless in possession of some of the most OP abilities, Jutsu, and combos in the Naruto world

1, Yakushi Kabuto
2. Orochimaru
3. Uzamaki Nagato
4. Shimura Danzo
5. Ryōtenbin no Ōnoki
6. Mū
7. Ginkaku + Kinkaku
8. Senju Tobirama
9. Uchiha Itachi
10. Nindaime Mizukage
11. Killer B
12. Yagura


Kage Class
Those who has the power to be comparable to Kages, but not quite enough to reach a higher tier

1. Jiraiya
2. Senju Tsunade
3. Maito Gai
4. Hatake Kakashi
5. Akasuna no Sasori
6. Gaara
7. Yondaime Kazekage
8. Hoshigaki Kisame
9. Mei
10. Ei
11. Old Hiruzen

Top Jonin
The Strongest Shinobi of the Jonin, class though not quite strong enough to reach the above Tier

1. Katō Dan
2. Kitsuchi
3. Hyuuga Haishi
4. Hyuuga Haizashi
5. Haruno Sakura
6. Kakuzu
7. Hanzo
8. Deidara
9. Yamato
10. Konan
11. Darui
12. Mifune
13. Hidan
14. Etc... All I feel like doing for now.

 

[Penguin]

So Zabuza and Darui drop because Zabuza beats Kitsuchi half the time?...that's ignorant.

Well for one if you put this in a realistic situation, Zabuza is an assassin, he will be hiding in trees or where ever, keeping himself concealed, and silently get behind Kitsuchi, closing the distance.

Plus I can't see Kitsuchi using Earth Sandwich right off the back once the fight starts

No. Kitsuchi beats him most of the time. Plus there is no way in hell Zabuza is fending off the head of the Samurai with one hand. Mifune is too fast. Don't get mad because your favorite character moves down a spot. He belongs in the high jounin class by feats and portrayal. So Zabuza starts out in trees now? That is rich.

 

[paratise]

Yeah Zabuza should Move a tier lower, i dont think he should be above the likes of Lee, Neji, Temari, Kankuro, Chouji when guys around these level either most definetely beat him or have more than than fair chances. He is more versatile? Who cares Gai is solid kage tier with taijutsu and Gaara has the title with sand manipulation. İn fact the whole low kate tier should be looked over again.