ShaneEyyy's Tier List V2

[Flash]

I would scrap the high-legend and put them in legend.
Also, Sasuke above Itachi is overrated. Even if he has EMS n shizz. Itachi > Sasuke

 

[kibainuzuka]

Lee low jonin,he's only taijutsu
Choji mid jonin,he's not smart enought
Shika mid jonin,okay for me

 

[ShaneEyyy]

I would scrap the high-legend and put them in legend.
Also, Sasuke above Itachi is overrated. Even if he has EMS n shizz. Itachi > Sasuke

Sasuke surpassed Itachi when he got EMS

 

[paratise]

Lee low jonin,he's only taijutsu

Why would he be a low jounin while he is capable of defeating almost anyone below high-jounin tier, defeating or stalamating some people in high jounin tier or defeating/stalamating few in low kage tier?

Also Gai only has taijutsu, Mei only has ninjutsu, Temari only has fuuton, Gaara only has sand, Kankuro only has his puppets, Mifune only has swordsmanship etc. i can go on it does not matter much when someone is good enough at something to match up certain levels.

OT: I think Zetsu can be higher. "His" chakra absorbing spores, ability to travel at high speeds underground, sensory, clone usage, mokuton and some other skills pose great deal of threat to others and Puts him above some others in his tier in my opinion. Black Zetsu was giving trouble to Mei, KCM Naruto clone and some jounin/chuunin. Plus it is not all 1 vs 1 power.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Why would he be a low jounin while he is capable of defeating almost anyone below high-jounin tier, defeating or stalamating some people in high jounin tier or defeating/stalamating few in low kage tier?

Also Gai only has taijutsu, Mei only has ninjutsu, Temari only has fuuton, Gaara only has sand, Kankuro only has his puppets, Mifune only has swordsmanship etc. i can go on it does not matter much when someone is good enough at something to match up certain levels.

OT: I think Zetsu can be higher. "His" chakra absorbing spores, ability to travel at high speeds underground, sensory, clone usage, mokuton and some other skills pose great deal of threat to others and Puts him above some others in his tier in my opinion. Black Zetsu was giving trouble to Mei, KCM Naruto clone and some jounin/chuunin. Plus it is not all 1 vs 1 power.

Good counter to that guy. I just ignored him because he's a troll. What tier would u move Zetsu?

 

[Shura]

Good counter to that guy. I just ignored him because he's a troll. What tier would u move Zetsu?

Mid Kage tier considering that he can beat Mei, Tsunade and possibly Gai.

 

[paratise]

Good counter to that guy. I just ignored him because he's a troll. What tier would u move Zetsu?

low-mid kage or maybe mid can suit him.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

low-mid kage or maybe mid can suit him.

You think Zabuza's spot is good right? right?

 

[Penguin]

Zabuza is a high jounin in my opinion. That is how the manga portrays him.

 

[KingHashirama]

. Demi god = Kabuto/Orochimaru?? since when?

 

[Penguin]

. Demi god = Kabuto/Orochimaru?? since when?

Edo Tensei.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza is a high jounin in my opinion. That is how the manga portrays him.

But you can agree he fits well in his tier, correct?

 

[illidanson]

Dude are you kidding me? Zabuza and Hidan deserve to be up there bro! Zabuza is definitely on Darui's level

Plz explain how that is the case.

Darui is far superior to Zabuza in terms of ninjutsu. Not only does he have some very powerful ligning and water jutsus, he also has his super strong Storm Release and Black Lighning jutsus.
They're probably about equal in terms of swordsmanship and Darui is most definetly smarter.

The only advantage that Zabuza has compared to Darui is the Hidden Mist Jutsu. But that alone isn't putting them on the same level as it has several counters and against stronger opponents they can probably take down Zabuza before he gets the chance to use it.

 

[NarutoIndra]

In my list..

Spoiler

God Tier: (SS+)
Sage of the Six Paths
Juubito

Demi God Tier: (SS)
Kabuto
Orochimaru

Legend Tier: (SS-)
Hashirama
Madara
Naruto
Nagato
Sasuke
Minato (BM)

High - Legend Level:
Itachi
Kakashi

High Kage Tier: (S+)
Mu
Killer B
Prime Hiruzen (Low Kage if going by feats)
Onoki
2nd Mizukage
Third Raikage
Tobirama
Jiraiya
Izuna (hype)
Gaara

Mid-High Kage Level:
Danzo
Kisame
Sasori
A
3rd Kazekage (hype)
Kin/Gin Brothers
Yagura
Hanzo (hype)
Shisui (hype)
Kakuzu

Mid Kage Tier: (S)
Deidara
Guy
Roushi

Low-Mid Kage Level:
4th Kazekage
Yugito
Han
Fu
Mei
Utakata
Sakumo Hatake (hype)
Hidan

Low Kage Tier: (S-)
Tsunade
Chiyo
Konan
Darui
Kitsuchi
Zabuza
Kimimaru
Mangetsu
Mifune
Hiashi
Fugaku Uchiha (hype)
Zetsu
Suigetsu

High Jounin Tier: (A+)
Sakura
Legendary Seven Swordsmen - Jinin, Jinpatchi, Ameyuri, Fuguki, Kushimaru (hype)
Yamato
Temari
Neji
Asuma
Chouza
Hizashi
Kankuro
Lee
Jugo

Mid Jounin Tier: (A)
Chouji
Kurotsuchi
Pakura
Gari
Shikaku
Haku
Torune
Inoichi
Fu
Kurenai
Dan
Dodai
Shino
Baki

Low Jounin Tier: (A-)
Sai
Hinata
Shikamaru
Akatsuchi
C
Kiba
Chojuro
Toroi
Shizune
Ao
Sai's brother

Special Jounin Tier:
Anko
Aoba
Gemna
Hayate
Raido
Ibiki
Ebisu

High Chuunin Tier: (C+)
Kidomaru
Sakon/Ukon
Tayuya
Jiroubo

Mid Chuunin Tier: (C)
Izumo
Kotetsu
Omoi
Karui
Demon Brothers
Ino
Tenten

Low Chuunin Tier: (C-)
Konohamaru
Iruka
Mizuki
Karin
Dosu

High Genin: (D+)
Zaku
Kin
Shigure
Misume Tsurogi

Mid Genin: (D)
Yoroi
Hinabi

Low Genin: (D-)
Gato's two samurai
Udon
Moegi

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Plz explain how that is the case.

Darui is far superior to Zabuza in terms of ninjutsu. Not only does he have some very powerful ligning and water jutsus, he also has his super strong Storm Release and Black Lighning jutsus.
They're probably about equal in terms of swordsmanship and Darui is most definetly smarter.

The only advantage that Zabuza has compared to Darui is the Hidden Mist Jutsu. But that alone isn't putting them on the same level as it has several counters and against stronger opponents they can probably take down Zabuza before he gets the chance to use it.

Far superior in Ninjutsu?? No he isn't.... Darui has great Raton, Zabuza has great Suiton. Darui has Storm Release, Zabuza has Hidden Mist+Silent Killing. Then Darui just has 1 Suiton....

But lets examine their techniques on effectiveness. Darui has Water Wall which he uses in conjunction with Emotion Wave. It's more than likely Zabuza can also perform Water Wall as it's a signature move of Kirigakure:

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Zabuza can use Water Clones in conjunction with his Water Prison. These jutsus are more effective because he combines his Water Clones+Water Prison+Silent Killing in the mist. Clone feints are very effective and with Zabuza's stealth in the mist, getting caught in a Water Prison is likely and once caught, the jutsu basically decides the match. Overall Water Clone and Water Prison Jutsu are more effective than Water Wall and Emotion Wave


Darui's Black Lightning and Black Panther compares to Zabuza's Water Dragon Jutsu and Giant Vortex Jutsu. Although Black Lightning has a higher kill rate when hit than Zabuza's Suiton, Zabuza's Suiton are away bigger and cover a lot more range which increases the chance of being hit. Not only that but Zabuza can also combine his large scale Suiton techs in the mist along with Water Clones. So the effectiveness is about equal.

Darui's Storm Release is less effective than Zabuza's mist and Silent Killing. His Laser Circus is just another powerful straight forward attack like Black Lightning, however, Hidden Mist+Silent Killing is a whole different style of fighting than using large scale suiton. It's not straight forward like his suiton, it's more tactical. Darui doesn't have tactical jutsu, which is one of the reasons why he loses to Zabuza 1 v 1

Zabuza's CQC>Darui's. Plus Zabuza's sword is double the size of Darui's and can rebuild its self.

Zabuza's Genjutsu defense>Darui's.

Darui has intelligence over him, true, but Zabuza has CQC, Genjutsu defense, and physical prowess over him.


Taking down Zabuza before he puts the mist up? Dude, Zabuza is an assassin, he hides and puts up the mist before he enters the battle, as shown in his second fight against Kakashi,


He is on the same level as Darui, period

 

[illidanson]

Far superior in Ninjutsu?? No he isn't.... Darui has great Raton, Zabuza has great Suiton. Darui has Storm Release, Zabuza has Hidden Mist+Silent Killing. Then Darui just has 1 Suiton....

But lets examine their techniques on effectiveness. Darui has Water Wall which he uses in conjunction with Emotion Wave. It's more than likely Zabuza can also perform Water Wall as it's a signature move of Kirigakure:

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Zabuza can use Water Clones in conjunction with his Water Prison. These jutsus are more effective because he combines his Water Clones+Water Prison+Silent Killing in the mist. Clone feints are very effective and with Zabuza's stealth in the mist, getting caught in a Water Prison is likely and once caught, the jutsu basically decides the match. Overall Water Clone and Water Prison Jutsu are more effective than Water Wall and Emotion Wave


Darui's Black Lightning and Black Panther compares to Zabuza's Water Dragon Jutsu and Giant Vortex Jutsu. Although Black Lightning has a higher kill rate when hit than Zabuza's Suiton, Zabuza's Suiton are away bigger and cover a lot more range which increases the chance of being hit. Not only that but Zabuza can also combine his large scale Suiton techs in the mist along with Water Clones. So the effectiveness is about equal.

Darui's Storm Release is less effective than Zabuza's mist and Silent Killing. His Laser Circus is just another powerful straight forward attack like Black Lightning, however, Hidden Mist+Silent Killing is a whole different style of fighting than using large scale suiton. It's not straight forward like his suiton, it's more tactical. Darui doesn't have tactical jutsu, which is one of the reasons why he loses to Zabuza 1 v 1

Zabuza's CQC>Darui's. Plus Zabuza's sword is double the size of Darui's and can rebuild its self.

Zabuza's Genjutsu defense>Darui's.

Darui has intelligence over him, true, but Zabuza has CQC, Genjutsu defense, and physical prowess over him.


Taking down Zabuza before he puts the mist up? Dude, Zabuza is an assassin, he hides and puts up the mist before he enters the battle, as shown in his second fight against Kakashi,


He is on the same level as Darui, period

Lol at the top. Yes Zabuza has good Suiton, but it's not comparable to the Raiton we've seen from Darui. And even though we've only seen 1 Suiton Jutsu from Darui it was still a pretty strong one and having extra elements is definetly an advantage. And Silent Killing isn't Ninjutsu.

And you're saying that Black Ligning is equal to Water Dragon and Water Vortex?? Don't make me laugh. Both of those jutsus have a billion handseals and while Zabuza can ofc make those handseals fast, it still leaves enough time for Darui to get out of the way with his speed. And sure Water Vortex has is bigger than The Black Panter, but the Black Panter would be a 1v1 kill against Zabuza and on the other hand the Water Vortex barely deals damage.

And you think that Hidden Mist + Silent Killing is as strong as Storm Release?? Lol at that. As Black Lightning, the Laser Circus also be a 1 hit kill against Zabuza and it's pretty damn fast. On top of that it has a pretty good range, so Zabuza can be attacked at any moment.

And yes Darui can kill Zabuza before he gets the mist up, so it's not even relevant in this match up. You can't just assume that Zabuza would be in a scenario, where he can put up the mist before he jumps into the fight. It depends completely on the conditions of the battles.

Zabuzas Genjutsu Defense is better than Daruis??? Wtf?? How the hell did you come to that conclusion.

And I honestly don't know what CQC stands for so I can't really comment on that.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Lol at the top. Yes Zabuza has good Suiton, but it's not comparable to the Raiton we've seen from Darui. And even though we've only seen 1 Suiton Jutsu from Darui it was still a pretty strong one and having extra elements is definetly an advantage. And Silent Killing isn't Ninjutsu.

Uh yes it is comparable... His Water Prison Jutsu Water Clones are more effective than Darui's Water Wall (which Zabuza more than likely knows) and Emotion Wave. His Water Dragon Jutsu and Giant Vortex Jutsu compares to Darui's Black Lightning and Black Panther. I know Silent Killing isn't Ninjutsu, but it works in conjunction with Hidden Mist Jutsu so I mentioned it.

And you're saying that Black Ligning is equal to Water Dragon and Water Vortex?? Don't make me laugh. Both of those jutsus have a billion handseals and while Zabuza can ofc make those handseals fast, it still leaves enough time for Darui to get out of the way with his speed. And sure Water Vortex has is bigger than The Black Panter, but the Black Panter would be a 1v1 kill against Zabuza and on the other hand the Water Vortex barely deals damage.

No it doesn't give Darui enough time to get away with his speed. Well 1. Sasuke mentioned Zabuza can perform WDJ in seconds which has 42 seals so he can perform the even more powerful GVJ really fast. 2. He will be hidden in the mist and has all the time in the world to perform his suiton.

Giant Vortex Jutsu barely deals damage?? Dude it completely took out Zabuza. He couldn't even move to avoid simple kunai thrown right at him, and this is the guy who could withstand a doze swords impaled deeply in his body and still charge full force hundreds of thugs.

And you think that Hidden Mist + Silent Killing is as strong as Storm Release?? Lol at that. As Black Lightning, the Laser Circus also be a 1 hit kill against Zabuza and it's pretty damn fast. On top of that it has a pretty good range, so Zabuza can be attacked at any moment.

Silent Killing will more than likely be a 1 hit kill as well. It's a whole tactical fighting style that Zabuza can combine his other Ninjutsu with. Darui's Laser Circus is just another forward attack.

And yes Darui can kill Zabuza before he gets the mist up, so it's not even relevant in this match up. You can't just assume that Zabuza would be in a scenario, where he can put up the mist before he jumps into the fight. It depends completely on the conditions of the battles.

And no Darui can't kill Zabuza before he gets the mist up. Zabuza put up the mist literally not even 5 feet away from Kakashi in their second battle, and Kakashi in Part 1 is debatable to be faster and he has better reflexes because of his Sharingan. So if Kakashi couldn't, Darui can't. Also, Zabuza put up the mist in front of 10,000+ shinobi which consisted of Guy and Lee, both faster than Darui, yet they still didn't stop Zabuza before he put it up.

Zabuzas Genjutsu Defense is better than Daruis??? Wtf?? How the hell did you come to that conclusion.

And I honestly don't know what CQC stands for so I can't really comment on that.

Yeah, his Hidden Mist nearly blocks all Genjutsu shown in the series. I made a thread on the mist blocking Genjutsu and it was praised highly. His Genjutsu defense can even block Sharingan. Darui has shown no Genjutsu feats.

CQC=Close quarter combat.

I'm saying Zabuza and Darui's power are nearly equal and they are both in the same tier as Low Kage ninja. They are capable of even beating most of high jounin so they deserve their spots there,

This is my last counter to you because I know you're not going to consider what I'm saying plus your post was ignorant.

 

[Icelerate]

Alright Temari wins I guess; however, Darui is overall stronger/well rounded and more experienced which puts him in an above tier.

Scans of "100" meter wide radius? I'm going to make a Sakura vs Chiyo thread, I believe Chiyo is stronger and way more experienced. I'll get back to you on this.

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Why would only Zabuza and Hidan drop? Zabuza can take out Chiyo, Kitsuchi, Darui, Hidan, Fugaku, Mifune, probably Zetsu, and is roughly on the same level as Kimimaru, Hiashi, Mangetsu, and Konan. Zabuza is definitely up there and Hidan can take out most of the people in the tier Temari, Yamato, and Sakura are in. Zabuza and Hidan deserve to be up there.

What? He can only take out Darui, Hidan and Chiyo. By hype Fugaku is above Zabuza because I believe a true Uchiha like Fugaku is a more skilled user of the 3 tomoe sharingan compared to part 1 Kakashi. Zabuza isn't beating the rest in his tier and loses to a bunch of high jounin levels like Yamato, Sakura, Temari, Neji, Lee and Chouji. Sure he may have a good chance at beating some of these guys, I won't deny that.

As for Temari being up there, she has great Fuuton, that's basically it. Her other feats like speed, strength, chakra, hand seals, etc. don't compare to the above tier.

Temari's movement speed is lacking, I'll agree but her reaction speed is up there and she does have an nice shunshin feat that I could highlight if you are wondering. Temari is actually physically very strong because she carries a large metal fan and can casually swing such a heavy and bulky weapon. During the chunin exams, after her fight with Shikamaru, she ran away from Sasuke with Gaara, his sand gourd and her own fan on her(

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). So after coming from a fight and losing some chakra, she was running full speed with so much weight on her shoulders. Bare in mind this is only chunin exams Temari and the current older version of Temari is even more physically stronger.

Temari doesn't need fast handseals since swinging a fan is much faster than casting seals so her jutsu execution speed is already much faster than most hand seal jutsu users.

As for Temari's speed, well during Naruto's fight with the 3rd Raikage, she managed to visually keep up with KM Naruto and v1 3rd Raikage (

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) and actually analysed what was going on which goes to show that her mind was also able to keep up with what was going on with those two. Temari was able to notice that the guy in the cloak was Naruto despite the fact that she doesn't know how Naruto in his new cloak looks like and the fact that Naruto was running at high speeds (

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). Even the Sandaime Raikage was showing signs of not being able to see Naruto properly in that same panel at the right. Temari managed to realize what Naruto was up to so she was able to once again see what was going on and process all that information in her brain at a pretty high speed (

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Temari also has a nice shunshin which goes unnoticed. She arrived alongside Shikamaru and Chouji (

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) and just one page later, the Juubi attacked the alliance with a shockwave from its tail. By the time the Juubi swung its tail (

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), Temari had already shunshined her way all the way to the cliff at the back, far away from Shikamaru and Chouji and managed to swing her fan to counter this attack (

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). The reason why the distance was so great is because there were thousands of people behind Shikamaru and Chouji. The cliff was up high which was why it may seem close but in reality, it was a large distance.

As for chakra reserves, well like I said, during the chunin exams, she had enough stamina to run while carrying so much load on her back all after her fight with Shikamaru. This form of Temari has lower chakra reserves than SRA Temari let alone current Temari. BTW SRA Temari managed to

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, while using a

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, without feeling

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. In part 2, it was hinted that even while low on chakra, Temari still had enough chakra to utilize KiriKirimae multiple times in a short interval (

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We all agree that she is a top 3 fuuton user on the same level as Naruto and Danzo if we count both power, jutsu execution speed and versatility right? We also agree that she is very intelligent so I'm not going to waste my time on that. Also apart from offence, Temari's jutsu works as a

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as well. Can't say the same for most other fuuton users.

Yamato has comparable Ninjutsu to the above tier, but again he isn't as well rounded/overall as strong as them. Nearly all the people in the above tier would take him out. I only believe he could beat Zabuza, but that's just because he's a bad match up for him, having Doton and tracking seeds.

What Yamato is definitely more versatile than them, not debatable. He has impressive doton and is

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so his

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Also his mokuton is

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Furthermore, he can create a large waterfall while using

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and

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at the

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Sakura, same thing. Who can she actually take in that tier? BTW most people say Zabuza beats Sakura, just look in my latest threads about it.

Most people hate Sakura so they don't admit that she can beat the likes of Zabuza, etc.

So Sai is an average Jounin and Hinata is a Special Jounin? That doesn't seem right, their gap isn't that big. I can't see Sai as an average jounin. He, along with other Chuunin nearly got soloed by Haku.

What? Sai stomps Hinata. Flight is very hax because it allows one to evade ground based fighters. He has ink clones to boot as we.. Sai

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against early Shippuden Naruto, Early Shippuden Shikamaru and Early Shippuden Chouji simultaneously so he is definitely mid jounin level. He fought on par against three high chunin and low jounin level ninjas. Also Sai managed to

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so his kenjutsu is good. As for Haku taking Sai out easily.. Well edo Haku is definitely high jounin level because he doesn't run out of chakra therefore he can keep his maximum speed in the mirrors indefinitely. Also before that, Sai managed to outmanoeuvre edo Deidara and edo Sasori so one explanation can be that he was lower on chakra while fighting Haku or since he was in mid air, he couldn't dodge Haku properly (

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Also you are currently placing Sai on the same tier as his bro even though his bro died a long time ago which means Sai mostly likely surpassed his level.

But he isn't on Mei's and Tsunade's level... Mei has 2 KGs and great Suiton, Tsunade has Katsuyu, great medical ninjutsu, monster strength, and very well rounded. All the 4th has is Gold Dust which got stomped by Gaara. He should stay where he is unless more people agree with you.

What? 4th Kazekage beats either Mei or Tsunade mid difficulty. His

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is on par with Gaara's sand tsunami. Gaara was in a desert so he managed to distract 4th Kazekage with sand in the air and then grabbed him from below. Gaara in the desert can solo Mei and Tsunade mid difficulty so your point is moot.

Wait what's the difference between them? They have the same powers, but actually Chouza is more experienced. Can Choaza not go into the butterfly state without the help of the pills?

No Chouza doesn't have butterfly mode without the pills which is why Chouji is one tier higher.

He seems to be on guys like Kiba's level. explain?

No Juugo's CS was taking on the Raikage yet he is only on the same level as Kiba.

Suigetsu high jounin? Idk man, he doesn't seem versatile enough

Fine, do whatever you want with him but his intangibility is hax and managed to clash evenly with Darui in kenjutsu so their speed and CQC prowess is similar but Darui won because of elemental advantage and sharper sword.

Why? He just seems like an average chuunin like Izumo and Kotetsu.

Well Omoi was trained in kenjutsu by none other than Killer Bee himself. He managed to cut Sasori's puppet chakra strings in a skilled way. Also he was fast enough to blitz Sakura so he is stronger than pre Yin seal Sakura. Also the cutting power of a raiton enhanced sword is nothing to scoff at.

Dosu moves, sounds good. Shigure....the only thing he has shown was an umbrella that sprays senbon...nothing chuunin about that.

Shigure's umbrella senbon attack is powerful enough to penetrate through 5mm of steel and covers a wide range. The dude was much stronger than most other CE candidates and would have only lost to Neji, Gaara, Lee, Naruto, Sasuke and Temari.

Yes he is lol I can't believe someone like you would even put him in a tier lower. Hashirama even stated Obito was stronger and it's taking the whole alliance to beat him, including the previous kage, Naruto, Sasuke, etc. He is definitely on par with the SOSP, as he and Madara stated it many times.

What is this nonsense. When the Sage of Six Paths was DYING, he still had the power to split the Juubi into nine bijuus and despite doing all that on his death bed, he managed to create a CT of the size of the Moon. So he did all this without the power of the Juubi when he was about to die. If a regular human is about to die, they can barely move while they are bedridden but the Sage can split an omnipotent all powerful entity into 9 other powerful entities with a CT that makes Nagato fodder.

Obito wasn't that impressive and even Zabuza and the sound four felt more threatening and came closer to killing the major characters in comparison.

Obito's best attack can destroy a continent which is not even as big as the Moon. Furthermore, the Sage would have an easier time destroying a Moon than creating it out of nothingness. Yeah, a sick Sage can probably beat Juubito without the need of the Juubi.
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Why did u put him in yours then lol

I put Fukaku Uchiha not Kagami Uchiha

Are u serious? Dude they were labeled Special Jounin for a reason. If they were as strong as a regular Jounin they definitely would have got promoted to it like Neji did. Sound 4 is overrated, they got beat by Genin and are just Chuunin level ninja.


But thanks for your feedback, I made half of your changes and when you reply explaining your other changes ill probably make the change

Sound 4 were winning in the majority of their fights and those guys they fought were at least mid chunin level. Then they also lost to bad match up and arrogance. Gemna and Raido may be special jounin but just because their rank is lower doesn't mean they are stuck on that same level. Hell part one Neji is low jounin level and beats most special jounins yet Kidomaru managed to fight on par with him. Kidomaru alone, in base without any support fodderized two Anbu agents who are supposedly low jounin level so Gemna and Raido are much higher than low jounin (

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BTW Anbu are actually somewhat strong and managed to display some low jounin level ninjutsu against Pain's summons (

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[paratise]

@Ice i love your dedicated texts XD

Also these can be added for Temari's speed:
She casually blocked a weighted Lee after a fight:

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Also stated that his kick was not that much of high level:

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[illidanson]

Uh yes it is comparable... His Water Prison Jutsu Water Clones are more effective than Darui's Water Wall (which Zabuza more than likely knows) and Emotion Wave. His Water Dragon Jutsu and Giant Vortex Jutsu compares to Darui's Black Lightning and Black Panther. I know Silent Killing isn't Ninjutsu, but it works in conjunction with Hidden Mist Jutsu so I mentioned it.

Water Prison Jutsu??? Lol at that! You and I both know that a jutsu like that is irrelevant against someone like Darui. He's not gonna let himself get caught in a jutsu like that.

And as I already explained Water Dragon Jutsu and Giant Vortex Jutsu aren't really that great compared to something like the Black Panther. It's a much more deadly attack.

No it doesn't give Darui enough time to get away with his speed. Well 1. Sasuke mentioned Zabuza can perform WDJ in seconds which has 42 seals so he can perform the even more powerful GVJ really fast. 2. He will be hidden in the mist and has all the time in the world to perform his suiton.

In seconds yes. But in Naruto seconds is indeed enough time to get out of the way. And as I said he isn't even gonna get an opening to use the Hidden Mist Jutsu.

Giant Vortex Jutsu barely deals damage?? Dude it completely took out Zabuza. He couldn't even move to avoid simple kunai thrown right at him, and this is the guy who could withstand a doze swords impaled deeply in his body and still charge full force hundreds of thugs.

Completely took him out?? Not at all. It simply gave Kakashi an opening to attack, it didn't deal any damage as I said. But I doubt that would work on Darui. First of all the chances that he'll get caught are low as I explained, his reflexes are better than Zabuzas so he could probably react and deflect the Kunai or if Zabuza goes in for a direct hit he'll parry it.

Silent Killing will more than likely be a 1 hit kill as well. It's a whole tactical fighting style that Zabuza can combine his other Ninjutsu with. Darui's Laser Circus is just another forward attack.

But a freaking powerful forward attack and very fast. Silent Kill will only work if he can stay stealthy, which he needs the Hidden Mist for.

And no Darui can't kill Zabuza before he gets the mist up. Zabuza put up the mist literally not even 5 feet away from Kakashi in their second battle, and Kakashi in Part 1 is debatable to be faster and he has better reflexes because of his Sharingan. So if Kakashi couldn't, Darui can't. Also, Zabuza put up the mist in front of 10,000+ shinobi which consisted of Guy and Lee, both faster than Darui, yet they still didn't stop Zabuza before he put it up.

Sharingan doesn't give Kakashi better reflexes and Darui is certainly faster than part 1 Kakashi. And 10 000 Shinobi?? You need to learn how to count. And Zabuza had other Shinobis their to guard him at that point so if Guy and Lee had tried to stop him they'd be intercepted. In a 1v1 someone like Darui who's fast and smart, would realize what he was trying to do and stop it before he got the chance to do it.

Yeah, his Hidden Mist nearly blocks all Genjutsu shown in the series. I made a thread on the mist blocking Genjutsu and it was praised highly. His Genjutsu defense can even block Sharingan. Darui has shown no Genjutsu feats.

Gotta love how you used the word feats. Zabuza has no feats of countering Genjutsus either, it's all theoretical I'm not gonna find that thread just to read it, but I guess it has something to do with the enemy not being able to see Zabuza. But then again that won't help him if he's already trapped in genjutsu.

CQC=Close quarter combat.

In that case I disagree quite a bit. They're about equal considering that Darui was easily able to keep up with Suigetsu.

I'm saying Zabuza and Darui's power are nearly equal and they are both in the same tier as Low Kage ninja. They are capable of even beating most of high jounin so they deserve their spots there,

This is my last counter to you because I know you're not going to consider what I'm saying plus your post was ignorant.

Yes Darui can beat most high level jounin. But Zabuza is only high level jounin himself and there are other high level jounins which can beat him: Sakura, Neji, Suigetsu etc. But i'm not gonna begin to argue these with you though.