[ShaneEyyy vs Prince Charles] Zabuza vs Chiyo
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Here, Zabuza gets right behind a Special Jounin and kills him instantly.
Zabuza even managed to get behind Kakashi with his Sharingan:
Why Zabuza didn't just get right behind a useless Genin and an old man was simply Plot no Jutsu IMO and I think you could agree with that to some extent.
I am not one to not acknowledge Chiyo. Chiyo is easily an S-rank ninja and one of the strongest of the Sand Village. It's not like I think Zabuza beats her with low diff. I believe if Zabuza were to win, it'd be high diff, winning 6-7 times out of 10. Even with Chiyo's senses, if Kakashi, who was faster and had better reflexes than Chiyo could barely keep up, I think it's very unlikely Chiyo could, but possible.
He wasn't talking and just got right down to business, so he activated the mist instantly.
Also, if the mist was that easy to intercept, Guy and Kakashi, both way faster ninja than Chiyo, couldn't and didn't even attempt to stop Zabuza from activating the mist because it's basically useless due to the speed of the technique.
You're also not considering the fact that first Chiyo needs to summon her puppets and by the time she does it definitely will be too late. You're also forgetting Zabuza is capable of using the mist with only 1 hand so even if Chiyo did get her puppets to attack Zabuza, Zabuza could guard long enough with his other hand holding his giant sword to hold her off.
Zabuza even put up the mist when he was not even 5 feet away from Kakashi, who is arguably faster than Chiyo, that says something.
Kakashi in order to 'attack' (not defend) Zabuza required Yamanaka to use his sensing abilities to target him. Without some sort of sensing abilities, Chiyo is not attacking Zabuza in the mist.
Also here, Kakashi told the battle squadrons to group around the "sensor" ninja. So being a sensor is a huge factor and without being one of some sort, you're basically screwed.
Zabuza's Silent Killing was said to be second to none. He is the best in history at it so it shouldn't be underestimated here, as Kakashi even warned someone as extremely fast as Guy to stay on alert:
If Kakashi, who even fought Zabuza so knows his exact speed and Silent Killing prowess thought it was avoidable just by keen senses, he wouldn't have told Guy who is one of the fastest ninja to be careful. Obviously being a sensor is a key factor here, something Chiyo is not.
Even if he can't, as shown when up against Kakashi when Kakashi used the Water Clone Jutsu (basically a puppet in Chiyo's case) Zabuza made a Water Clone to be safe and had the clone attack Kakashi's clone. Then he attacked Kakashi's real body with his real body. So, the chances of him getting "confused" is so unlikely that it shouldn't be considered.
Sorry for not responding for a while, I was busy.
That would be a good scan if his Sharingan wasn't shown. With his Sharingan, his reflexes and predictions of Zabuza's attacks were increased greatly. It may have been because of his Sharingan that he blocked those Shuriken.
What I'm about to say isn't well backed up, but I believe that Zabuza appearing feet behind Tazuna and Sakura was all Plot no Jutsu just for Kakashi will have the space to intercept Zabuza's attack:
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Zabuza even managed to get behind Kakashi with his Sharingan:
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I am not one to not acknowledge Chiyo. Chiyo is easily an S-rank ninja and one of the strongest of the Sand Village. It's not like I think Zabuza beats her with low diff. I believe if Zabuza were to win, it'd be high diff, winning 6-7 times out of 10. Even with Chiyo's senses, if Kakashi, who was faster and had better reflexes than Chiyo could barely keep up, I think it's very unlikely Chiyo could, but possible.
That Samurai Chiyo is controlling is dead. Chiyo has only shown to control victims dead or comrades voluntarily. It even says for that jutsu in the data book that Chiyo uses this tech when she is out of puppets:
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This tech is not used to control live enemy targets because the user can use his strength and or jutsu to break out of the threads. Chiyo wouldn't try to attach a thread to Zabuza. Even if she did, Zabuza could probably cut them with his Kubikiribochi. If he can't, it's still very unlikely Chiyo can attach a thread on him in the mist, especially if he goes behind her, which he will.The mist's prep time is actually fast. Zabuza didn't disappear for that amount of time because he was explaining to Kakashi how he wasn't taking his attacks like a Genin, after he was done explaining, he moved on to attack so he disappeared. As shown here:
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Also, if the mist was that easy to intercept, Guy and Kakashi, both way faster ninja than Chiyo, couldn't and didn't even attempt to stop Zabuza from activating the mist because it's basically useless due to the speed of the technique.
You're also not considering the fact that first Chiyo needs to summon her puppets and by the time she does it definitely will be too late. You're also forgetting Zabuza is capable of using the mist with only 1 hand so even if Chiyo did get her puppets to attack Zabuza, Zabuza could guard long enough with his other hand holding his giant sword to hold her off.
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Well of course but my point is actual living ninja are better at defending against Zabuza then puppets who can't use keen senses on their own.
I disagree with this. Being a sensor is a huge fact here:
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Yeah but between Kakashi and Chiyo, Kakashi has better reflexes and is faster in general. If he could barely keep up, then Chiyo will be in an even worse condition. You can't use Minato as an example, Minato is one of the fastest ninja of all time. Chiyo hasn't shown greater speed than Kakashi.
As I said before I definitely don't underestimate her and it is possible, though unlikely that she could react to Zabuza in the mist. Say she can react, Zabuza can use Water Clone feints like he did with Kakashi to catch her off guard. Kakashi couldn't even react to him. Chiyo may react to one of his first strikes and maybe counter attack, but it'll more than likely just hit a Water Clone, faking her out and giving Zabuza an opening to finish the job.
Zabuza's Silent Killing was said to be second to none. He is the best in history at it so it shouldn't be underestimated here, as Kakashi even warned someone as extremely fast as Guy to stay on alert:
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Glad we agreed on that. Anyways, her puppets making noise probably won't confuse Zabuza because it was noted that Zabuza could hear the slightest movement of an eye. That being said, he may be able to try to hear the heart beat of Chiyo and if he notices the two other things don't have heart beats, he will know which one to go after.
Even if he can't, as shown when up against Kakashi when Kakashi used the Water Clone Jutsu (basically a puppet in Chiyo's case) Zabuza made a Water Clone to be safe and had the clone attack Kakashi's clone. Then he attacked Kakashi's real body with his real body. So, the chances of him getting "confused" is so unlikely that it shouldn't be considered.
Sorry for not responding for a while, I was busy.
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Solid arguments. I'm excited to see PC's counter to that last post!
ps. I could judge if need be
ps. I could judge if need be
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the first time ShaneEyyy has gotten my attention, now don't get me wrong, i like zabuza he's one of my favorite characters but i think he's only low to mid shippuden level slightly weaker than chiyo. any1 else thank he would look bad as s in akatuski cloak? *_*
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There's the pic, i couldn't find the thread because its too old (IN MY THREAD I HAD EDITED THE PIC AND IT WAS A LOT COOLER)If you teach me how can i see my old signatures and avatars then i could find the edited picture
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ShaneEyy Im not really on much anymore U_U but ill try to make a counter later on if I feel like it.
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