Shameful retcon

[To Whatever]

Naruto doesn't give 2 cents about people who talk about destiny

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Becomes part of destiny himself

Good night. Im done for today

Sigh.

Didn't even respond to my question and still not understanding what Riker means.

At the end of the day, don't sweat the little stuff.

K, man?

:gn:

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

Neji was right all along.

Yup, called it.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

This has been argued to death on Naruto Forums.

The reason is stated in the part you left out- the last two lines of my post you quoted:

Well you edited that part in the post so I didn't see it.

Sporking and dissing out is such a thing that you will always get many to who would enjoy it. It's human nature. But constant negativity for such a long period is not my cup of tea.

Criticisms isn't necessarily the same as dissing(don't know what "sporking" means). But are you really that upset about it?

What are you talking about? To fulfill that prophecy he had to kill Sasuke, like Ashura and Hashirama before him. Sasuke confirmed this. Yet Naruto broke that destiny and "Ended the Sibling Rivalry"​

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What are you talking about? The prophecy was that Naruto would bring peace to the world. So he was destined to stop the rivalry.

 

[Avani 👑]

This has been argued to death on Naruto Forums.



Well you edited that part in the post so I didn't see it.



Criticisms isn't necessarily the same as dissing(don't know what "sporking" means). But are you really that upset about it?



What are you talking about? The prophecy was that Naruto would bring peace to the world. So he was destined to stop the rivalry.

My edit was long way before you posted but ok you might have missed it if you quoted too early. Giving a good criticism is also an art. You are not very good at it if you are doing it from a certain bias and focusing all the time on negativity only, and repeatedly.

Sporking is nearer to the kind of criticism you do. Sometimes a writer may submit a chapter to a group of critiques with the sole purpose of finding out everything wrong with it -sometimes finding out something wrong with it no matter how whether it's really written badly or not. In controlled atmosphere it can be helpful to the writer if they are really working on sharpening their skills. But usually it's a bunch of writers who have nothing to do but sit down to mock the work someone else wrote without their permission for the sake of gossiping and enjoy the fun of mocking someone else while they claim to be critiques.

I am not upset. I just critiqued your work. ^_^ . And partially because I keep seeing the same repeated pattern in your posts and then some genius tried to feed me that criticism by you to me to prove his point. I thought why not give some critique to the critic? And who knows I may see some really balanced and unbiased one from you one day. In the long run people get bored with both- fanboys or sporkers. But genuine critique despite some disagreements has longer life.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

My edit was long way before you posted but ok you might have missed it if you quoted too early. Giving a good criticism is also an art. You are not very good at it if you are doing it from a certain bias and focusing all the time on negativity only, and repeatedly.

Sporking is nearer to the kind of criticism you do. Sometimes a writer may submit a chapter to a group of critiques with the sole purpose of finding out everything wrong with it and often turns out and finding out something wrong with it no matter how. In controlled atmosphere it can be helpful to the writer if they are really working on sharpening their skills. But usually it's a bunch of writers who have nothing to do but sit down to mock the work someone else wrote without their permission for the sake of gossiping and enjoy the fun of mocking someone else while they claim to be critiques.

I make those critiques to elaborate on things I found to be either overrated or underrated. I made one last year with a film called Pandorum to correct some misconceptions about it. I mostly praised it, but still criticize some aspects of it toward the end. I'll do the reversal with Shippuden as I view it as overrated crap.

I am not upset. I just critiqued your work. ^_^ . And partially because I keep seeing the same repeated pattern in your posts and then some genius tried to feed me that criticism by you to me to prove his point. I thought why not give some critique to the critic? And who knows I may see some really balanced and unbiased one from you one day. In the long run people get bored with both- fanboys or sporkers. But genuine critique despite some disagreements has longer life.

Bold: Oh you mean when Alex showed you my take on Sakura. Where you called it crap and compared it to a troll thread?Lol

Why are you doing it here? Why not in my second Ootsutsuki thread?

 

[paratise]

Neji solos. Hard work my ass Naruto. The guy needed to suck off to Kurama (as per usual) to beat Neji to begin with, asides from the upcoming retc_on in part 2 to make Naruto Godly for fanservice and make him relevant easily instead of building better relations, the guy had miniscule hardwork to begin with.

Though hardwork was not much his theme, still he was suppose to be underdog and how would an undersog rise? By working. Unless they suck off though.

Also don't forget he told he does not give a shit about Konohamaru being grandson of 3rd hokage while he was going "i am hokage's son!!!" Over his enemies in part 2.

 

[Joker]

And what did Naruto do? Work to become friends with him instead and end the cycle. What do you know, he changed the unfavorable part of his destiny. WOw. much retcon. Very contradict


You're joking right?

It was a statement, I wasn't making an argument.

 

[Romy9]

Irrelevant because of the simple fact that that "destiny" coincides with his goals.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

... I get the point. Since you can't fight destiny, make your goals align to it and you'll be good.

Ex: Neji being destined to die protecting the main branch. Tried to fight it but in the end died protecting hinata.
Naruto: being destined to save the world.
Etc etc.

 

[Romy9]

... I get the point. Since you can't fight destiny, make your goals align to it and you'll be good.

Ex: Neji being destined to die protecting the main branch. Tried to fight it but in the end died protecting hinata.
Naruto: being destined to save the world.
Etc etc.

He didn't "make" them align. His goals were always the same. Saving the world was his "destiny" because he had the potential ability to do so. He didn't live by abiding the "laws" of destiny, whereas Neji did. Naruto just taught him that he can live however he wants despite something being prescribed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He didn't "make" them align. His goals were always the same. Saving the world was his "destiny" because he had the potential ability to do so. He didn't live by abiding the "laws" of destiny, whereas Neji did. Naruto just taught him that he can live however he wants despite something being prescribed.

Saving the world wasn't his goal tho... it was to be hokage so ppl acknowledge his existence.
He changed his goals to what you said thus aligning himself with his destiny.

 

[Romy9]

Saving the world wasn't his goal tho... it was to be hokage so ppl acknowledge his existence.
He changed his goals to what you said thus aligning himself with his destiny.

He didn't change his goals. If his goal was to be a Hokage, protecting people goes along with that.

What kind of Hokage would I be if I couldn't save one friend. - that pretty much sums it up. He always wanted to protect the people. "Destiny" is just an etiquette.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He didn't change his goals. If his goal was to be a Hokage, protecting people goes along with that.

What kind of Hokage would I be if I couldn't save one friend. - that pretty much sums it up. He always wanted to protect the people. "Destiny" is just an etiquette.

your reasoning for why he wanted to be kage isn't naruto's. Stop spinning his words to fit your goals.

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Becoming the strongest to gain recognition.
Not saving the world. Not saving his friend.

 

[Romy9]

your reasoning for why he wanted to be kage isn't naruto's. Stop spinning his words to fit your goals.

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Becoming the strongest to gain recognition.
Not saving the world. Not saving his friend.

I'm not twisting the words. That was a 12-year old kid Naruto. You can't possibly think that his reasoning stayed the same until he was 19? You guys don't include maturity which he clearly showed in Part 2 through his reasoning not to mention the literally comprehension. That's why you're looking at this with too much simplicity.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm not twisting the words. That was a 12-year old kid Naruto. You can't possibly think that his reasoning stayed the same until he was 19? You guys don't include maturity which he clearly showed in Part 2 through his reasoning not to mention the literally comprehension. That's why you're looking at this with too much simplicity.

So you're admitting to him changing his goals to align with the prophesy.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Naruto neither confirmed nor denied destiny...he said he didn't know about it.

We don't know when Ashura transmigrated into Naruto...but Hagoromo suggest it wasn't at birth and the reason he did enter Naruto was in fact something to due with Naruto personality wise...he said Naruto had something that attracted people to him and he could see why Ashura chose to reincarnate in him. If Ashura was there at birth, wouldn't it be said that Naruto has something special that attracts people to him...because Ashura reincarnated in him?

The hard-work theme was a theme that applied to Lee and guy...

The theme for Naruto was never give up no matter how impossible things seem. In Naruto's case pure hard work never paid off and he was often put in a situation that seemed impossible...but he would never give up and find a workaround

Passing Academy--His chakra control sucked too much to pull off basic cloning--his work around was Shadow Cloning

During chunin exam training--no matter how hard he worked...he couldn't summon a toad--workaround was tossing him into a ravine.

Bet with Tsunade--it seemed impossible within the time constraints and he tried hard but couldn't pull off Rasengan--instead of mindlessly doing the same thing, he found his work around in shadow clones.

Skip to shippudden...Naruto's goal was to catch up to Sasuke...but Tsunade said that Sasukes growth was unatural and Orochimaru may have used drugs. Kakashi decides to teach him elemental manipulation...but the training normally would take years, so it would be impossible right? Kakashi provides the work around in Shadow clone training.

Again impossible situation of gathering Natural energy while moving...compounded by Kurama rejecting Fukasaku...Situation impossible? Again, Shadow clone workaround.

Given the situations he found himself in...Naruto was never a character that was portrayed to be able to advance off of purely hard work...given the time constraints, he would have failed due to the situation being impossible to solve through Lee's brand of hard-work.

 

[Romy9]

So you're admitting to him changing his goals to align with the prophesy.

The "change" wasn't so big that it would be called the change. Also, if it did "change", it didn't change itself to correspond to "destiny". You're simply reading and understanding this whole thing too shallow.

The title of "Hokage" also means protecting the people. His goal to surpass all of the Kage in power wasn't changed, that's your assumption. Protecting the people wasn't that important to a 12-year old kid, but it was always a definition of the Hokage.

 

[Shruikan]

Neji solos. Hard work my ass Naruto. The guy needed to suck off to Kurama (as per usual) to beat Neji to begin with, asides from the upcoming retc_on in part 2 to make Naruto Godly for fanservice and make him relevant easily instead of building better relations, the guy had miniscule hardwork to begin with.

Though hardwork was not much his theme, still he was suppose to be underdog and how would an undersog rise? By working. Unless they suck off though.

Also don't forget he told he does not give a shit about Konohamaru being grandson of 3rd hokage while he was going "i am hokage's son!!!" Over his enemies in part 2.

I think the hardwork theme was there somewhat in Part 1 and a part of Part 2.Later on it became a ****ing powerup over powerup though.Naruto got everything handed to him

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The "change" wasn't so big that it would be called the change. Also, if it did "change", it didn't change itself to correspond to "destiny".

yes it did. Him saving the world has little to nothing to do with gaining recognition. They don't correlate.

You're simply reading and understanding this whole thing too shallow.

You're complicating things unnecessarily.

The title of "Hokage" also means protecting the people.

What "hokage" means is extremely subjective. We have already seen the different views of the title from obito to sasuke to naruto to itachi. Heck even danzo can be put here. Or any of the previous hokages. So saying things like "protecting the ppl(not the world mind you)" is just as much true as it is false.

His goal to surpass all of the Kage in power wasn't changed, that's your assumption.

yes it has. Since his reasoning to gain power isnt to "surpass the previous" but to save his friend. As stated multiple times in shippuden. But in the original naruto his strive for power was gaining recognition. If he became strong enough sasuke would recognize him.

Protecting the people wasn't that important to a 12-year old kid

More admittance to him changing his goals, protecting the people=/=protecting the world. (Proven by hashirama not hesitating to kill madara)

but it was always a definition of the Hokage.

again subjective.

Not even itachi sees it that way. "Becoming the Hokage doesn't mean people will acknowledge you. But when the people acknowledge you, you can become Hokage."

 

[Romy9]

yes it did. Him saving the world has little to nothing to do with gaining recognition. They don't correlate.
You're complicating things unnecessarily.

What "hokage" means is extremely subjective. We have already seen the different views of the title from obito to sasuke to naruto to itachi. Heck even danzo can be put here. Or any of the previous hokages. So saying things like "protecting the ppl(not the world mind you)" is just as much true as it is false.
yes it has. Since his reasoning to gain power isnt to "surpass the previous" but to save his friend. As stated multiple times in shippuden. But in the original naruto his strive for power was gaining recognition. If he became strong enough sasuke would recognize him.
More admittance to him changing his goals, protecting the people=/=protecting the world. (Proven by hashirama not hesitating to kill madara)
again subjective.

Not even itachi sees it that way. "Becoming the Hokage doesn't mean people will acknowledge you. But when the people acknowledge you, you can become Hokage."

It didn't because saving the world is another effect of protecting and saving the people.

Not really.

Not exactly. It's actually objective. All of them wanted to protect the people and their future but through different means.

When one achieves a certain goal, he gets another one. Destiny or any similar charade doesn't have anything to do with it.

It's a side-effect, nothing more. For the sake of complaining.

A Hokage protects people. Even villains wanted to do that.