[Discussion] Shadow Figure ~ Not Sakura Haruno

[V h o]

Could you explain why Sakura did not know what was going on if she was with the gang? Also why no panel shows her leaving the cliff.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Your first picture clearly shows a cliff to which Sasuke himself jumps off of to get to Naruto.

Then, Obito makes a jumps from the same cliff leaving only Sakura there. I like your theory, but all the panels that you've illustrated (no matter how good you though they were) do not show any clear evidence that she was with them. Neither he nor Obito were illustrated to be behind Naruto and Sasuke when the gravity change too effect. What more is that, like I've said, Obito has to jump down to get to where Naruto and Sasuke where, which illustrates that he was from a point higher than those two. The only logical thing is that Sakura was left behind and is the "mystery" person on that cliff.

Furthermore, she had no idea what was going on, which you seem to have left out to better help your theory. Sakura had no idea what was happening at that location. Had she been there, as many suggest, then why would she have asked and been curious to know what exactly was going on? And don't give me that "she couldn't see because of angle" crap because even if she was behind Obito or at an angle that was hard to see the puncture wound in his stomach, she'd still have seen two bone projectiles bombing towards both Kakashi and Obito.

Good theory, but not every chapter that Kishi shows has to be taken this literally...


Cheers!

 

[Shinato]

Could you explain why Sakura did not know what was going on if she was with the gang? Also why no panel shows her leaving the cliff.

First of all, it is not possible for it to be Sakura, so saying it is denying facts and logic. The shadow figure is located to the "south" and Sakura is located to the "west" of Obito. Making it physically impossible for it to be Sakura unless she has somehow learned how to teleport. *********** also shows the lines cut off, so it may just very well be a line in the cliff. Also, to answer your question which I also answered in my thread. (You should really read the thread before asking question, friendly advice.) Sakura hides her face because she believes that Naruto and Sasuke will die from the next attack, when she looks back up she is seeing Obito and Kakashi infront of them and she is a fair distance away from them as well. She is asking "What happen" as Obito and Kakashi is standing there and no one seems to have died yet. (She may also notice that only Obito was hit and the other bone just disappeared.) Because as I stated, she may or may not still be on a small cliff, a fair distance away. But she is not located in the same direction as the "shadow figure". To the last point, I did show a panel that shows them on a ground that looks like the same height/level as the one Sasuke was standing on.

 

[Shinato]

Your first picture clearly shows a cliff to which Sasuke himself jumps off of to get to Naruto.

Then, Obito makes a jumps from the same cliff leaving only Sakura there. I like your theory, but all the panels that you've illustrated (no matter how good you though they were) do not show any clear evidence that she was with them. Neither he nor Obito were illustrated to be behind Naruto and Sasuke when the gravity change too effect. What more is that, like I've said, Obito has to jump down to get to where Naruto and Sasuke where, which illustrates that he was from a point higher than those two. The only logical thing is that Sakura was left behind and is the "mystery" person on that cliff.

Furthermore, she had no idea what was going on, which you seem to have left out to better help your theory. Sakura had no idea what was happening at that location. Had she been there, as many suggest, then why would she have asked and been curious to know what exactly was going on? And don't give me that "she couldn't see because of angle" crap because even if she was behind Obito or at an angle that was hard to see the puncture wound in his stomach, she'd still have seen two bone projectiles bombing towards both Kakashi and Obito.

Good theory, but not every chapter that Kishi shows has to be taken this literally...


Cheers!

So, she moves several thousand feet only to stand on a separate cliff for no reason what so ever? That lacks logic and is beyond terrible writing and as it lacks logic behind it. (Its like a 4 year old would write, Kishi isn't amazingly good at writing all the time, but he is not that bad.) As I said, Sakura may or may not be on a cliff, but that cliff is located to the left of Obito while the "Shadow Figure" is located behind him. (Making it physically impossible for it to be Sakura unless she teleported.) Obito doesn't move at all after being hit by the Bone, he is hit by the bone while facing the same direction as Naruto/Sasuke/Kakashi and he came in from his left. This means that when we are seeing the "Shadow Figure" behind him, he is still standing the same way facing Kaguya as he was when he was hit. That places Sakura to the left of him, where he came from when he jumped infront of the bone. Sakura was confused because she didn't see what happened with the bone arrows, she was hiding her face because she knew that someone would die and she wouldn't see that. She knew that either Sasuke, Naruto or Kakashi would died along with Obito and she wouldn't see as at least one of her dear friends or master died. So she hid her face, when she looked up again all she saw was Obito dying and was confused of what had happen. She may also have though that the bone arrows just went up and disappeared as from the angle which is located to the left of Obito, seeing the hole may be a little difficult. Your "input" was, as with everyone's who say its Sakura... Illogical, faulty and above all else, its complete and utterly stupid. Here is the page from ***********, show the line cut in half. Spoiler You must be registered for see images

 

[AMIan]

I don't think it's Sakura either. Why would Kishimoto not draw a normal Sakura with a wide forehead and normal weird colored hair instead of making it a mysterious dark silhouette. There has to be something regarding the mystery or he would've just drawn a normal Sakura that we're used to. But don't hold me to it, it could be Sakura.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Its Guruguru! He did run off to somewhere so :L

 

[KRZYNASTY]

So, she moves several thousand feet only to stand on a separate cliff for no reason what so ever? That lacks logic and is beyond terrible writing and as it lacks logic behind it. (Its like a 4 year old would write, Kishi isn't amazingly good at writing all the time, but he is not that bad.) As I said, Sakura may or may not be on a cliff, but that cliff is located to the left of Obito while the "Shadow Figure" is located behind him. (Making it physically impossible for it to be Sakura unless she teleported.) Obito doesn't move at all after being hit by the Bone, he is hit by the bone while facing the same direction as Naruto/Sasuke/Kakashi and he came in from his left. This means that when we are seeing the "Shadow Figure" behind him, he is still standing the same way facing Kaguya as he was when he was hit. That places Sakura to the left of him, where he came from when he jumped infront of the bone. Sakura was confused because she didn't see what happened with the bone arrows, she was hiding her face because she knew that someone would die and she wouldn't see that. She knew that either Sasuke, Naruto or Kakashi would died along with Obito and she wouldn't see as at least one of her dear friends or master died. So she hid her face, when she looked up again all she saw was Obito dying and was confused of what had happen. She may also have though that the bone arrows just went up and disappeared as from the angle which is located to the left of Obito, seeing the hole may be a little difficult. Your "input" was, as with everyone's who say its Sakura... Illogical, faulty and above all else, its complete and utterly stupid. Here is the page from ***********, show the line cut in half. Spoiler You must be registered for see images

Yup, you're one of those guys whose always right and everyone else is always wrong in your threads.

Not gonna bother discussing with you as you seem to have placed yourself on a pedestal far above everyone else on these forums. Like I said, you haven't provided any real evidence as to where Sakura is in this whole ordeal. I went over the chapter again and in none of those shots does Sakura even present herself (whether an aerial shot or one on the ground). But, what would I know since I am "illogical, faulty, and stupid" since I don't agree with you..

Later, bro.

 

[Honord Sage]

Of corse it not Sakura,its the same person who has ben shadowing them sines the Alliance first came to Naruto way back then. Always looking but not acting.

 

[benjoot]

Your first picture clearly shows a cliff to which Sasuke himself jumps off of to get to Naruto.

Then, Obito makes a jumps from the same cliff leaving only Sakura there. I like your theory, but all the panels that you've illustrated (no matter how good you though they were) do not show any clear evidence that she was with them. Neither he nor Obito were illustrated to be behind Naruto and Sasuke when the gravity change too effect. What more is that, like I've said, Obito has to jump down to get to where Naruto and Sasuke where, which illustrates that he was from a point higher than those two. The only logical thing is that Sakura was left behind and is the "mystery" person on that cliff.

Furthermore, she had no idea what was going on, which you seem to have left out to better help your theory. Sakura had no idea what was happening at that location. Had she been there, as many suggest, then why would she have asked and been curious to know what exactly was going on? And don't give me that "she couldn't see because of angle" crap because even if she was behind Obito or at an angle that was hard to see the puncture wound in his stomach, she'd still have seen two bone projectiles bombing towards both Kakashi and Obito.

Good theory, but not every chapter that Kishi shows has to be taken this literally...


Cheers!

I totally agree with this!!

dunno why but after reading these 'logical' explanations,it somehow proved the opposite of the supposed
Point that the TS strongly stressed. I mean isn't it logical why kishi drew the jumping actionfx thing in one
Of obito's panel tells a reader both of them (sakura) were on a cliff? Sometimes overthinking and overanalyzing
Only complicates even the norms. we are all entitled to our opinions, this is mine and I truthfully respect yours sir. guess kishi would only be the one who could justify this hehe ))

 

[KRZYNASTY]

Actually, I will go ahead an continue this and show my own proof as to why it is Sakura.

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First, let's look at these two pictures from the previous chapter. When Obito brings Sakura and Sasuke back to where Kaguya are they are shown to be placed on solid ground. Then right after we see that Sasuke goes to join Naruto in their fight with Kaguya by JUMPING off the cliff that they were transported to with Obito's eye. As Sasuke is jumping off the cliff he leaves both Obito and Sakura there (mostly due to the fact that they can't really help out much). You yourself used this same picture, but after disregarded the fact that the cliff that they were on previously still existed.

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I add this image in because at this moment in the chapter it still illustrates that both Obito and Sakura are NOT behind Naruto and Sasuke which, puts them still on the cliff that Sasuke left them when he went to help Naruto. Just because the landscape changed for Naruto and Sasuke doesn't mean it didn't change for Sakura, Obito and Kakashi. But it does not put them at the same spot as Naruto and Sasuke.

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Moving further we now see a panel where Obito JUMPS off the same cliff that he's been standing on with Sakura as they watch what is happening and the same cliff that Sasuke himself leaped from a few pages ago. You can tell that he has leaped off a high area simply by the way Kishi has drawn the lines behind him. Now, if Sakura was to be with Obito, then why did we not see Sakura jump off the same cliff with Obito? It's not like Kishi forgot to add that and would magically place Sakura by the others side without showing us how she got there. Thus, the only clear explanation as to where she is at this point is the same cliff she has been on since being brought to that dimension with Obito's help.

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All I have to add to this picture is:

If Sakura was with them, then where is she in this shot? Clearly Kishi wouldn't have forgotten to draw her.


Now, here is where it gets interesting. Because the next couple of pictures will illustrate my point.

Come, journey with me on this magical ride, please?

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As you can see in each picture I have illustrated here there are only 4 characters at a time being shown. The last 2 pictures only then show 2 characters after Sasuke decides to do his own thing and flies off in is Susano'O. Now, some may argue and say that it was a "mistake" and that Sakura wasn't drawn in, but then why would he make that mistake on almost 5+ pictures? Not one of these pictures illustrates more than 4 characters being shown. If Sakura was there, as you suggest, then there would have been 5 characters in total (especially in the arial view shot). I personally find it strange that you suggest Sakura is there, but she isn't drawn anywhere in these shots to actually illustrate that.

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Finally, does it not seem strange that out of all three of them (Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura) that Sakura is the ONLY one asking what happened why the other two are shocked that it did happen? Like I stated before, if she was with them then there is no reason for her to be asking this? No matter what angle she is or who she is behind, I doubt she would not have noticed two bone missile projectiles heading to both Obito and Kakashi. Surely she would have seen those projectiles coming and put two and two together and realized that Obito was hit. However, seeing as she was not there (as previously shown), then her asking what happened is logical. But you stating she was with them and her asking that questing is illogical.

There series is ending soon, its not a new character at least.

You state that it isn't a new character and I have to agree, but who is it? Since you state that Sakura is indeed with them and not on that cliff behind them, then who is it? Well, it can't be Hamura because that would technically be a new character. Although we've heard of him, him coming to the fight now would be introducing someone new we haven't seen. So, who do you think it is then? Can't be any of the Kage's as they are having a wonderful conversation with the Sage of the Inconsistencies. Frankly, the only option is the character that hasn't been shown in any of the panels being with the the rest of the cast. Yup, Sakura.


SUMMARY:

1. Obito, Sakura and Sasuke were brought to the dimension and were placed on a cliff.
2. Sasuke jumps off the cliff to go to where Naruto, Kaguya and Kakashi are.
3. Obito jumps off the same cliff.
4. Sakura was not seen jumping off the cliff to go to where everyone is.
5. There are only 4 characters shown at any given time (whether ground view or aerial) where there should have been 5 if Sakura was present.
6. Sakura is the only one asking "what happened" while the others were simply shocked.
7. Why would Kishi introduce a mysterious figure so late into the storyline?


Welp, that's about all I have on this theory of yours. Also, some word of advice:

You may wan't to get off that pedestal you've placed yourself on. You seem to think (after reading a lot of your threads) that you're ALWAYS right and everyone else is ALWAYS wrong. Just because people don't go and agree with you doesn't make them "illogical, fault and stupid" it makes us human which you've seem to have forgotten. This is a discussion forum and we are allowed our opinions and if you don't like that, please stop posting threads. All you do in your threads is continue to bash others for not siding with what you say. You can do whatever you want with that I have written, I don't care, but if you continue to bash others and act like you're better than others, then I'll just report you. It may sound childish, but I don't like people that flaunt themselves as better than others simply because they spend 10+ hours on a thread making it look good.


Cheers!

 

[Shinato]

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You still fail to provide proof as to Sakura's location. The landscape changed for her as well, unless you are hinting towards her still being in the Ice Dimension and Obito jumping between them like it was nothing. She is still located to the left of Obito when we see the shadow behind him. The shadow is also cut in half in the *********** version and its to late to introduce a new character. So again, unless Sakura has gained a teleportation jutsu that beats both Sasuke's and the FTG, then it cannot be her. Denying this is denying facts and logic, the two things that can make a theory. Over to your other point which is a direct attack on me. (For some strange reason, which is also a bad trait to have in discussions.) I don't believe myself to correct all the time, and I have said I'm wrong countless times and I've also said that its my theory, my point of view and my ideal of the facts and logic about the series we're reading. This makes me as right and as wrong as the next person who posts. Unless, the next person defines either facts, logic or both. (Which in your case is exactly what you're doing.) A theory is made out of either; facts, logic or both. If it lacks all of those, then its not a theory and is simply what the majority would call; a fanfiction. Now moving away from your "theory" and unto your personal assault on me again. I fail to see how you can think I place myself above anyone else, the main reason is that my ideal of the world goes against that. No one is better, no one is worse, neither is correct, everyone is faulty. That is the ideal I live by and the ideal I have lived by since I was about 7-8 years old. What the ideal means is that reality is fluid to each person, one can live within their own world if they chose to, or one can decide to see the world for what it really is. (I chose the last.) I have no care for myself, in such case it makes no sense for me to even remotely care to be better than someone else. So, I will say this, I am not always correct and I will not always be correct, but at the point that I care to be better than someone else, I am correct. I like losing, I find it interesting when I'm wrong and when I am beaten. Another thing I am correct at is how much time I spend on a thread. I spend about a little bit over one minute to make it look "good" and depending on the thread I spend about 5-6 mins on writing it. Oh, yeah. I have something else to add. Please avoid saying that I'm bashing on others to make myself seem "better". Its a very insult to my reason for living. (Stating a fact or something someone has said is not bashing.)

 

[flyboyissac]

I was saying it was sakura but uproved me wrong

Ot: Its gai-sensei after hamuras power up

 

[KRZYNASTY]

You still fail to provide proof as to Sakura's location. The landscape changed for her as well, unless you are hinting towards her still being in the Ice Dimension and Obito jumping between them like it was nothing. She is still located to the left of Obito when we see the shadow behind him. The shadow is also cut in half in the *********** version and its to late to introduce a new character. So again, unless Sakura has gained a teleportation jutsu that beats both Sasuke's and the FTG, then it cannot be her. Denying this is denying facts and logic, the two things that can make a theory. Over to your other point which is a direct attack on me. (For some strange reason, which is also a bad trait to have in discussions.) I don't believe myself to correct all the time, and I have said I'm wrong countless times and I've also said that its my theory, my point of view and my ideal of the facts and logic about the series we're reading. This makes me as right and as wrong as the next person who posts. Unless, the next person defines either facts, logic or both. (Which in your case is exactly what you're doing.) A theory is made out of either; facts, logic or both. If it lacks all of those, then its not a theory and is simply what the majority would call; a fanfiction. Now moving away from your "theory" and unto your personal assault on me again. I fail to see how you can think I place myself above anyone else, the main reason is that my ideal of the world goes against that. No one is better, no one is worse, neither is correct, everyone is faulty. That is the ideal I live by and the ideal I have lived by since I was about 7-8 years old. What the ideal means is that reality is fluid to each person, one can live within their own world if they chose to, or one can decide to see the world for what it really is. (I chose the last.) I have no care for myself, in such case it makes no sense for me to even remotely care to be better than someone else. So, I will say this, I am not always correct and I will not always be correct, but at the point that I care to be better than someone else, I am correct. I like losing, I find it interesting when I'm wrong and when I am beaten. Another thing I am correct at is how much time I spend on a thread. I spend about a little bit over one minute to make it look "good" and depending on the thread I spend about 5-6 mins on writing it. Oh, yeah. I have something else to add. Please avoid saying that I'm bashing on others to make myself seem "better". Its a very insult to my reason for living. (Stating a fact or something someone has said is not bashing.)

Likewise. You also haven't provided any proof that it isn't her.

All the pictures I have provided illustrate that that figure behind them is her. I don't know where you're telling me I haven't given the location of her when I made it clear that the figure in the background is her. None of the pictures I provided illustrate that she is in fact with the rest of the team, which then only puts her in the last spot she was seen - on the cliff. The landscape changed for her as well. It went from snow to the high gravity landscape to the desert area that Kaguya managed to make in this chapter. Just because she is in the same landscape as the others doesn't put her with them. I have given proof as to where she is (i.e. not with them) while all you've stated is that we are "illogical, faulty and stupid" if we don't see it your way.

Furthermore, I didn't make this a personal attack on you until you went and called everyone that disagrees with you and that cannot see something so "simple" as wrong. I've read other threads you've made and you come out like that in all of them. It's either your way or the highway in each of them and that's pretty pathetic in my opinion.

Just so I can be more clear. The person in the background has to be Sakura. I am not saying it is 100% her because there could be someone else, but by the evidence I provided in my last post (i.e. her not being shown in any of the pictures with the rest of the team) it falls that the only place left for her to be is the cliff in which she was left. You however, haven't given us a real reason that it isn't her besides insults and manga panels you've seem to have used incorrectly to prove your point.

If it isn't her, then I can accept that, but you haven't really given any solid proof to where she is at all.

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I'd love to discuss this more with you because this topic is interesting, but you got to learn to stop insulting people simply because they don't see what you see. I know I may have sounded like a ****, but I give what others put out.

 

[Shinato]

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You didn't even read my thread did you? That or you failed to understand what the meaning of "left to" is. My thread explains why Sakura is not with the others, and it explains why she is unable to fully understand whats happening with Obito. It also explains who it cannot be her who is behind Obito. She is in the same dimension as Sakura, something you seem to be saying that she is not. (Your statement that she is not in the same location as Obito and Naruto.) I have never stated that she is with them, I have stated two things. One is that the shadow figure directly behind Obito cannot be Sakura (and it won't be.) while the next is that Sakura is in the same dimension as the rest. (But not in the same location.) Both which you have stated are 100% wrong, which is why I said that you have to mean that she is in the snow dimension still. (Which is proven wrong.) My opening thread explains the following, which is very easy to understand. Obito and Sakura is located on the same place at the start of the chapter, either on a cliff or on the ground. (It really doesn't matter.) The location they are located is to the left of Naruto as he avoids Kaguya's first Bone. When Obito jumps infront of Naruto, he comes from Naruto's left, which means Sakura is also located to Naruto's left and Kaguya's right. Later we see the shadow figure directly behind Naruto and Obito, while both are facing Kaguya in the same position as they've been ever since she changed dimension to the Gravity one. This means that the shadow figure is located directly behind Obito, while Sakura is located to Obito's left. Lets make an example, using Obito as the the central point, Kaguya as North, Naruto as south (as he is on the opposite side of Obito compared to Kaguya.), Kakashi as East and where Obito jumped in from is West. Naruto (South) Kakashi (East) Obito (Center) Obito's Cliff (West) Kaguya (North) We know that Sakura and Obito was located at the same place before he ran to protect Naruto. This means that Sakura is located to the West, on the cliff/location Obito started running from. We also know that we see the shadow figure behind Obito, which is South. Sakura is located a couple hundred feet to the West of Obito and the shadow figure is located a few thousand feet to the South of Obito. This is what I have explained since I started this thread, and this is what you have been saying is incorrect. You are stating that Obito came running in from behind Naruto as that is the location of the shadow. (If he did that then it could be Sakura, but he came in from the West.) This is why Sakura is not with the others as she is located a little west of them. So I will repeat myself, it is illogical, facts goes against what you are saying, making it faulty and I have already proven and stated this. So again, either Sakura can teleport or it is not her. Also, please point out where I have mindlessly insulted someone? I have already stated that I don't care about being right or wrong, I care about whats inbetween there. The fun of discussing and seeing different views, the fun of analyzing someone's answers and trying to understand them. That is what I care for, neither to win or lose but the fun. (To aim to lose will end bad for either you or someone else, and losing will end bad for someone. So I don't care for neither.) I haven't insulted someone, unless you find it insulting to hear someone's opinion on logic and a statement of about facts. (That has little to do with the person actually, but rather the subject at hand.) You have done little in the past posts and visitor messages to state that I'm wrong and lie about me insulting others. (Then again, you may not lie, you may just be easily insulted. If that is the case then as I said in a visitor message, I recommend that you either learn to deal with that or stop talking with people until you can.)