Shadow Clones and Chakra

[Uzumaki Bolt]

How exactly do shadow clones work with regards to using up chakra?

I read earlier a post that said Sarada cut her chakra in half against Buntan by using a Shadow Clone. However, if a dispersed shadow clone returns any chakra it had remaining to its creator, regardless of distance, wouldn't this mean that the chakra alarms often associated with Shadow Clones are really temporary? By this, I'm referring to these cases in the anime and manga, where chakra is shown to return:

Case 1: Boruto has a limit of 4 shadow clones, but he consistently makes additional sets of 4 clones during fights soon after the first 4 disperse, meaning that the chakra lost is negligible, and that he has recovered them.

Case 2: Naruto's shadow clones gathering N.E. This the biggest proof of this working mechanism. The moment Naruto disperses a Sage Clone, he gains all the N.E. that said clone had gathered, despite the fact that the clone is miles away.


Wouldn't this make Shadow Clones essentially a much less risky technique, but a much more utility one?

 

[uhmusddy]

Yes remaining chakra does return to original body

only chakra I imagine that doesn’t is the actual chakra used to create the clone and any chakra the clone expended for whatever jutsu or reason


but still creating and losing clones does put a strain on original body stamina still

 

[Retsu]

It's too inconsistent tbh. It's whatever plot needs it to be.

 

[salamander uchiha]

How it's meant to work:

Once a clone is destroyed in combat your meant to lose the chakra. If you release the shadow clone the remaining chakra returns to the user. So if Boruto makes 3 shadow clones his chakra is divided by 4 if 3 of them are destroyed he's meant to have 25% ot less of his original chakra. The next time it's divided then your meant to have even less chakra.

There's a reason it's classed as a kinjutsu and everybody doesn't go around whipping out multiple shadow clone jutsu for combat. Boruto has shit writing and plot armour portecting him while Naruto has the Kyubi's large chakra reserves to help him out.

How it works:

It'll change whenever the need for it arises.

 

[BlazeRelease]

If you RELEASE the clone, the chakra returns to you.

If the clone is BROKEN then the chakra is lost.

 

[Scryed]

The chakra is split between the user and the clone. Like the Kisame (or Itachi I forgot which one) clone that had 30% of Kisame's/Itachi's chakra which would mean that the original was left with 70% upon making it. Summon 9 clones with 10% of your chakra each and you'll be left with 10%. If you release the clone or if it gets destroyed then it's remaining chakra goes back to you along with whatever it learned or saw while it was running around.

This is what I understood based on how it was explained.

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

If you RELEASE the clone, the chakra returns to you.

If the clone is BROKEN then the chakra is lost.

Except, it doesn't seem to be lost in that way. All of Boruto's clones were hit by Shinki, but Boruto proceeded to create another full set in mere moments. I'm taking Boruto's example because it's been stated numerous times that he can only create 4, unlike Naruto, who gets gradual chakra boosts without having to mold chakra the conventional way, so to speak.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Except, it doesn't seem to be lost in that way. All of Boruto's clones were hit by Shinki, but Boruto proceeded to create another full set in mere moments. I'm taking Boruto's example because it's been stated numerous times that he can only create 4, unlike Naruto, who gets gradual chakra boosts without having to mold chakra the conventional way, so to speak.

That's how it's meant to work once destroyed you lose the chakra. Boruto should still be able to create 4 they should only have 1/8 of his original chakra. There's a reason it's a kinjutsu othwrsise everybody would be spamming it.

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

That's how it's meant to work once destroyed you lose the chakra. Boruto should still be able to create 4 they should only have 1/8 of his original chakra. There's a reason it's a kinjutsu othwrsise everybody would be spamming it.

This is probably the part that I don't get.

Naruto can create thousands because he has massive amounts of chakra.

Kakashi could create few because of his low chakra pool.

Boruto's chakra pool allows for 4, initially.

Let's run the numbers. Provided that Boruto has 100 arbitrary units of chakra, and could create 4 clones, it means that the minimum chakra needed per clone is 20 arbitrary units, and that the clones would otherwise fail, or endanger the user (thus kinjutsu).

When Boruto created 4 equal clones, his chakra amount got lowered by 80 units, leaving just 20. Those 80 units worth of chakra got dispersed when Shinki destroyed the clones. Boruto has 20 units remaining. To create more clones, he'd either need to mold more chakra (which he didn't), use the kote device (which he didn't in this instance) or make clones with an abysmal <10 units of chakra, which should fail.

But he did.

The only sensible explanation I could come up with is this:
> When dispersed, even when destroyed, the clones assimilate back into the original in whatever state they are in, including memories, and whatever chakra is left with them.

We know that memories and such return to the original body when a clone disperses, even if through being destroyed. There's no reason to believe that chakra doesn't.

This would also help alleviate the idea that Naruto has a million times more chakra than Sasuke, which it seem to be based on the number of shadow clones each has been shown creating.

 

[salamander uchiha]

This is probably the part that I don't get.

Naruto can create thousands because he has massive amounts of chakra.

Kakashi could create few because of his low chakra pool.

Boruto's chakra pool allows for 4, initially.

Let's run the numbers. Provided that Boruto has 100 arbitrary units of chakra, and could create 4 clones, it means that the minimum chakra needed per clone is 20 arbitrary units, and that the clones would otherwise fail, or endanger the user (thus kinjutsu).

When Boruto created 4 equal clones, his chakra amount got lowered by 80 units, leaving just 20. Those 80 units worth of chakra got dispersed when Shinki destroyed the clones. Boruto has 20 units remaining. To create more clones, he'd either need to mold more chakra (which he didn't), use the kote device (which he didn't in this instance) or make clones with an abysmal <10 units of chakra, which should fail.

But he did.

The only sensible explanation I could come up with is this:
> When dispersed, even when destroyed, the clones assimilate back into the original in whatever state they are in, including memories, and whatever chakra is left with them.

We know that memories and such return to the original body when a clone disperses, even if through being destroyed. There's no reason to believe that chakra doesn't.

This would also help alleviate the idea that Naruto has a million times more chakra than Sasuke, which it seem to be based on the number of shadow clones each has been shown creating.

No you can still create clones on low chakra it's whether you have the chakra control to maintain them. It requires chakra control on the originals part + the chakra to maintain them for a certain amount of time. Ignore the first chapter of Naruto Kishi overdid it because he was still finding his way. That's why naruto was never able to create 1000 again until he used the Kyubi chakra. Naruto also has the Kyubi's healing recovery power which helps him with his shadow clones.

There's a reason why it's a kinjutsu you don't make something a kinjutsu if it doesn't have consequence/cost.

What they've done in Boruto is they've given him MC plot armour chakra reserves(ignoring the rules). As Retsu pointed out the SCJ is what the plot needs it to be. If you look at this episode Boruto confirmed he was low on chakra and all he did was use Shadow clones. At the end he still used SCJ and used Boruto stream on the little chakra he had left which he shouldn't have been able to do. Even if he somehow managed to do it then he should've been put out using up the remainder of his chakra but MC plot armour kicked in as it often does.

One thing is confirmed when a shadow clone is destroyed it's experience returns to the original. However the chakra only returns if a shadow clone is released. If it was without consequence then everybody and their grandmother would be spamming Shadow Clones.

As for Naruto making many more than Sasuke then Naruto spams them, Sasuke doesn't. That doesn't mean Sasuke doesn't have the chakra to make more. He was only making the clones to make a point to Boruto.

Just remember MC = Ass pull release and Plot armour release kkg. Everybody else the rules are okay stick with them unless the author feels like it.

 

[AnthonyMax]

10% of charka per clone .