The difference is that Sakura has natural efficiency in genjutsu and chakra control. Sasuke's genjutsu was made powerful because of his Sharingan progressing, and it'd be ridiculous to say whatever skills gained by his Sharingan are inheritable by blood alone. That'd be to say Sarada could cast MS level genjutsu without an MS just because her father had done so with MS' assistance.
Sasuke's chakra control was not great from the start either. Not that Kurama's praise of Sasuke's feat is actually saying much given that he had had the Rinnegan. "Almost unrivaled," how many people can perform simultaneous absorption of tailed beasts to begin with? The Akatsuki used a jutsu that forced them to expend ridiculous amounts of their chakra in the process which makes it clear that Sasuke's Rinnegan was playing a major role even on step 1. Sharingan itself has already shown abilities that assist with chakra control.
That first paragraph makes it seem having Sharingan just automatically grants high level gen without learning/improving on the basics. The db stats at least don't support that. As at p1, despite having a Sharingan, Sasuke's gen stat was a measly 1.5 in the 2 db's. But after he goes to train under someone who has a gen stat of 5, his own stats increase drastically. Makes more sense to think Oro's training actually helped him understand the basics and how to use a tool to make it deadlier.
Also that example.. what is MS level genjutsu?
As for the second paragraph, you started with Rinnegan then gave a Sharingan example? But the main point is how you and Femme bring up when Sasuke was younger. Was it young Sasuke that joined in bringing Sarada to existence? Are you saying his CC didn't improve from then? Or are you trying to say it doesn't matter if it improved or not since he was once imperfect at it and thus that's what he would have passed down?
That first paragraph makes it seem having Sharingan just automatically grants high level gen without learning/improving on the basics. The db stats at least don't support that. As at p1, despite having a Sharingan, Sasuke's gen stat was a measly 1.5 in the 2 db's. But after he goes to train under someone who has a gen stat of 5, his own stats increase drastically. Makes more sense to think Oro's training actually helped him understand the basics and how to use a tool to make it deadlier.
Unbreakable by high level ninja without outside interference would be a decent inference, although 3 tomoe can be just as devastating(if Itach or Shisui are casting it). The latter depends on the user and their favoured style of combat.
That first paragraph makes it seem having Sharingan just automatically grants high level gen without learning/improving on the basics. The db stats at least don't support that. As at p1, despite having a Sharingan, Sasuke's gen stat was a measly 1.5 in the 2 db's. But after he goes to train under someone who has a gen stat of 5, his own stats increase drastically. Makes more sense to think Oro's training actually helped him understand the basics and how to use a tool to make it deadlier.
The eye gives a strong bump in genjutsu capability. Even with that, Sasuke's genjustu was never considered noteworthy even when his MS genjutsu snared Danzo. My point is that Sasuke's genjutsu ability itself is probably not enough to snare a tailed beast without the assistance of his doujutsu.
As for the second paragraph, you started with Rinnegan then gave a Sharingan example? But the main point is how you and Femme bring up when Sasuke was younger. Was it young Sasuke that joined in bringing Sarada to existence? Are you saying his CC didn't improve from then? Or are you trying to say it doesn't matter if it improved or not since he was once imperfect at it and thus that's what he would have passed down?
We're talking about inherited traits. These would be things that appear sooner rather than later. Would Bee's child be born with bulging muscles just because Bee has them? No, those are the result of training more so than genetics.
I'm sorry, I know you're just applying Rinne's logic to a different scenario, but attempting to kiss someone is not making a sexual advancement on them :|
It is, Sakura wasn’t aware And Naruto was going to violate her body without her permission. He literally transformed into Sasuke to kiss her, it’s behaviors like this that go over looked that leads to Harvey pig monster W.
How would you feel if your were blindfolded and some random guy kisses you pretended to be your lover. And they were children kissing is pretty big for them
The eye gives a strong bump in genjutsu capability. Even with that, Sasuke's genjustu was never considered noteworthy even when his MS genjutsu snared Danzo. My point is that Sasuke's genjutsu ability itself is probably not enough to snare a tailed beast without the assistance of his doujutsu.
Bold doesn't make sense to me because we haven't seen a Sasuke without sharingan attempt Genjutsu but what we do know is that the db which doesn't factor enhancements like modes and dojutsu when declaring stats puts Sasuke at a 4 in Genjutsu which is actually higher than Sakura's. What are even Sakura's genjutsu feats that make you think she's superior?
- Figured those two guys were using gen in the Chuunin exams? Sasuke did as well
- Cancelled Kabuto's Genjutsu? Sasuke did as well not to mention Shikamaru who isn't a genjutsu type.
This natural affinity thing really doesn't hold weight for me considering as at the academy according to Kishi, Sasuke > Sakura in Genjutsu.
Genjutsu
Naruto: F
Sasuke: A
Sakura: B
Ino: B
Shikamaru: C
Chouji: C
Hinata: B
Kiba: C
Shino: B
Genjutsu strong enough to snare kage-level fighters.
Oh ok thanks.. but just above you tried to claim Sasuke's MS Gen wasn't noteworthy. What gives?
We're talking about inherited traits. These would be things that appear sooner rather than later. Would Bee's child be born with bulging muscles just because Bee has them? No, those are the result of training more so than genetics.
The difference is that Sakura has natural efficiency in genjutsu and chakra control. Sasuke's genjutsu was made powerful because of his Sharingan progressing, and it'd be ridiculous to say whatever skills gained by his Sharingan are inheritable by blood alone. That'd be to say Sarada could cast MS level genjutsu without an MS just because her father had done so with MS' assistance.
Sasuke's chakra control was not great from the start either. Not that Kurama's praise of Sasuke's feat is actually saying much given that he had had the Rinnegan. "Almost unrivaled," how many people can perform simultaneous absorption of tailed beasts to begin with? The Akatsuki used a jutsu that forced them to expend ridiculous amounts of their chakra in the process which makes it clear that Sasuke's Rinnegan was playing a major role even on step 1. Sharingan itself has already shown abilities that assist with chakra control.
The bold's absolutely false as Sakura was never known to have any talent for Genjutsu casting (which you seem to be implying) and CC isn't some inherent talent. Furthermore, Sasuke learnt and mastered Nature and Spatial Manipulation, and the ability to combine them, at the mere age of five or six. That's a feat that's higher than A-Rank according to Kakashi as it takes years to hone it. What had Sakura learnt by then? Tree-climbing? That's it? It should also be noted that Sakura had better chakra control, because her reserves were too tiny. Sasuke and Naruto had very large reserves to manage, and Sasuke's chakra's also very powerful.
Sharingan can see the chakra-level, flow, traits, etc., which is why he's using it to match the chakra-level; otherwise, the Sharingan, somehow, controlling the chakra level's absolutely preposterous. It isn't backed by this scan or by any other scan. I love the fact how you're moulding Kurama's statement and outright denying it, simply because it kicks off Sakura from the pedestal (where she never existed in the first place). The Susanoo alone requires an impossible level of constant chakra stabilization, especially high levels of Susanoo; and Sasuke achieved this stabilzation in what, about two hours at most (if his total Susanoo time's added)? Shape Manipulation requires far better talent and skill in Ninjutsu than mere medic-nin's endeavours. If Rinnegan was the main reason for all of that, then Kurama's would've stated the same for the Sage. If Rinnegan's what made Sasuke's Ninjutsu skill special, along with Nagato's, then the Sage wasn't special, either. Your selective logic makes no sense and is purely fanon at this point.
Sexism? I highly doubt that. Sakura's nowhere near as capable as Sasuke. Never was and never will be.
The bold's absolutely false as Sakura was never known to have any talent for Genjutsu casting and CC isn't some inherent talent. Furthermore, Sasuke learnt and mastered Nature and Spatial Manipulation, and the ability to combine them, at the mere age of five or six. That's a feat that's higher than A-Rank according to Kakashi as it takes years to hone it. What had Sakura learnt by then? Tree-climbing? That's it? It should also be noted that Sakura had better chakra control, because her reserves were too tiny. Sasuke and Naruto had very large reserves to manage, and Sasuke's chakra's also very powerful.
Sharingan can see the power-level, which is why he's using it to match the chakra-level; otherwise, the Sharingan, somehow, controlling the chakra level's absolutely preposterous. It isn't backed by this scan or by any other scan. I love the fact how you're moulding Kurama's statement and outright denying it, simply because it kicks off Sakura from the pedestal (where she never existed in the first place). The Susanoo alone requires an impossible level of constant chakra stabilization. Shape Manipulation requires far better talent and skill in Ninjutsu than mere medic-nin's endeavours. If Rinnegan was the main reason for all of that, then Kurama's would've stated the same for the Sage. If Rinnegan's what made Sasuke's Ninjutsu skill special, along with Nagato, then the Sage wasn't special, either. Your selective logic makes no sense and is purely fanon at this point.
I agree she might not be better than Sasuke but dont you think she's close? I mean medical ninjutsu itself requires the most precise control and shes the best medic out there...also I dont know if its canon but the boruto databook states she inherently possess great CC (she was borne with the trait)..that kinda implies she's a natural talent.
Also mastering byakugo is a great achievement.
I agree she might not be better than Sasuke but dont you think she's close? I mean medical ninjutsu itself requires the most precise control and shes the best medic out there...also I dont know if its canon but the boruto databook states she inherently possess great CC (she was borne with the trait)..that kinda implies she's a natural talent.
Also mastering byakugo is a great achievement.
All medics possess precise chakra control, which is an empty statement given the sort of once-in-a-blue-moon work Medical Ninjutsu requires. Elemental Jutsu, with Shape Manipulation's, been considered a highly impressive Ninjutsu talent:
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Shizune called her chakra control best? Whoop-de-doo. She isn't close to any heavy-hitters in the manga, no matter how many times her fangirls claim otherwise (using a talent-less individual's, Shizune's, statements as some sort of merit to discredit Naruto and Sasuke, both of whom were praised by Kurama--an entity that awards abilities, augments modes, and controls chakra with absolute perfection).
All medics possess precise chakra control, which is an empty statement given the sort of once-in-a-blue-moon work Medical Ninjutsu requires. Elemental Jutsu, with Shape Manipulation's, been considered a highly impressive Ninjutsu talent:
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Shizune called her chakra control best? Whoop-de-doo. She isn't close to any heavy-hitters in the manga, no matter how many times her fangirls claim otherwise (using a talent-less individual's, Shizune's, statements as some sort of merit to discredit Naruto and Sasuke, both of whom were praised by Kurama--an entity that awards abilities, augments modes, and controls chakra with absolute perfection).
Sakura chakra control is so advanced that she could literally cut the nerve from a cell.
Sakura's chakra control isn't any wear near the heavy hitters because its above, and there is no other form above her own.
Sakura can do things with her chakra that other people require seals and help with. Delicate Illness Extraction is the most advanced jutsu in the series.
Bold doesn't make sense to me because we haven't seen a Sasuke without sharingan attempt Genjutsu but what we do know is that the db which doesn't factor enhancements like modes and dojutsu when declaring stats puts Sasuke at a 4 in Genjutsu which is actually higher than Sakura's. What are even Sakura's genjutsu feats that make you think she's superior?
- Figured those two guys were using gen in the Chuunin exams? Sasuke did as well
- Cancelled Kabuto's Genjutsu? Sasuke did as well not to mention Shikamaru who isn't a genjutsu type.
This natural affinity thing really doesn't hold weight for me considering as at the academy according to Kishi, Sasuke > Sakura in Genjutsu.
Genjutsu
Naruto: F
Sasuke: A
Sakura: B
Ino: B
Shikamaru: C
Chouji: C
Hinata: B
Kiba: C
Shino: B
Lmao, gtfo here using databook stats as if it could possibly refute mangafax. If the Databook doesn't make some exceptions to enhancements and the sorts, why does Lee have more speed(4, 4, 4.5) than Sasuke despite Sasuke's own speed(3, 3.5, 4.5) eventually becoming on par with Lee's gated speed? It also doesn't matter that others could break Kabuto's genjutsu since it doesn't define Sakura's limits regarding genjutsu.
Those grades are general grades in regards to everything from taijustu, book knowledge, ninjutsu, and taijutsu. A misstep in any one of those categories would bring Sakura's grade down & you guys already seem fond enough of bashing her taijutsu to understand that it's likeliest to be her weakest link.
For good reason. I believe Sasuke's MS genjutsu capability is mostly due to the MS itself doing the heavy lifting. Looking back at scans though, it does seems his genjutsu isn't as trivial as I thought it was. Not that it actually harms what I'm saying due to his skill not being an inherent trait.
Sexism? I highly doubt that. Sakura's nowhere near as capable as Sasuke. Never was and never will be.
The bold's absolutely false as Sakura was never known to have any talent for Genjutsu casting (which you seem to be implying) and CC isn't some inherent talent. Furthermore, Sasuke learnt and mastered Nature and Spatial Manipulation, and the ability to combine them, at the mere age of five or six. That's a feat that's higher than A-Rank according to Kakashi as it takes years to hone it. What had Sakura learnt by then? Tree-climbing? That's it? It should also be noted that Sakura had better chakra control, because her reserves were too tiny. Sasuke and Naruto had very large reserves to manage, and Sasuke's chakra's also very powerful.
Ah, one of those mangafact deniers. If you're going to take Kakashi's words that what Sasuke learned is of A-rank difficulty, don't be a hypocrite and discredit Sakura's genjutsu affinity which Kakashi admits to. Why swallow Sasuke's dick purely to belittle Sakura's achievements anyhow? You yourself still note that Sakura's chakra control is stronger regardless, so that's literally the only role of you comparing their achievements. In fact, it doesn't even fulfill its role successfully. Those achievements were both well before Kakashi examined Sasuke's chakra control to be beneath Sakura's, so his chakra control was beneath Sakura's despite Sakura's own training being limited to the Academy while Sasuke'd began years prior at home. As in, Sasuke's accomplishments were well within in Sakura's reach at whatever point she'd gain the chakra capacity to do so with whatever nature affinity she has.
Don't bother quoting me with more empty words; I'm not going to bother responding if you do.
Sharingan can see the chakra-level, flow, traits, etc., which is why he's using it to match the chakra-level; otherwise, the Sharingan, somehow, controlling the chakra level's absolutely preposterous. It isn't backed by this scan or by any other scan.
You're not being creative. Sharingan being able to visualize what's going on with a person's chakra is a great asset to assist with chakra control. Sharingan would allow a person to determine how much juice they're putting into attacks & give them a stronger idea of where they want their chakra to be at. If Sasuke were in Naruto's position here,
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Sasuke would literally be able to see the ratios and just up/decrease his output of the chakras until it looked like it was the ratio Killer B said rather than rely on some vague feeling of right or wrong. INB4 you start strawmanning that I believe Sasuke's chakra control is credited 100% to his Sharingan.
I love the fact how you're moulding Kurama's statement and outright denying it, simply because it kicks off Sakura from the pedestal (where she never existed in the first place).
The Susanoo alone requires an impossible level of constant chakra stabilization, especially high levels of Susanoo; and Sasuke achieved this stabilzation in what, about two hours at most (if his total Susanoo time's added)? Shape Manipulation requires far better talent and skill in Ninjutsu than mere medic-nin's endeavours.
If Rinnegan was the main reason for all of that, then Kurama's would've stated the same for the Sage. If Rinnegan's what made Sasuke's Ninjutsu skill special, along with Nagato's, then the Sage wasn't special, either. Your selective logic makes no sense and is purely fanon at this point.
Yeaa, no, Kurama wouldn't. The Rinnegan being the source of Sasuke's ability to absorb the beasts already reasons it as the reason Sasuke could even perform the task at all. I'd say that makes it the biggest factor from the get go. I've never actually said Sasuke is otherwise typical in regards to skill, so you can bounce out with pretenses of me denying that Sasuke's skill is special.
Lmao, gtfo here using databook stats as if it could possibly refute mangafax. If the Databook doesn't make some exceptions to enhancements and the sorts, why does Lee have more speed(4, 4, 4.5) than Sasuke despite Sasuke's own speed(3, 3.5, 4.5) eventually becoming on par with Lee's gated speed? It also doesn't matter that others could break Kabuto's genjutsu since it doesn't define Sakura's limits regarding genjutsu.
One, it was Unweighted Lee speed.. two, Sasuke clearly couldn't keep it up for long before getting exhausted unlike Lee which shows that can't be used as his base speed and three, that example is irrelevant to this cause by this exemption logic of yours, Sasuke should have higher stats in Genjutsu in Db's 1 and 2 since he already has a sharingan that according to you "The eye gives a strong bump in genjutsu capability." (¬ Post 54) and that clearly isn't the case.
It also doesn't define the limits of Sasuke and Shika's genjutsu ability so what are you talking about?
Those grades are general grades in regards to everything from taijustu, book knowledge, ninjutsu, and taijutsu. A misstep in any one of those categories would bring Sakura's grade down & you guys already seem fond enough of bashing her taijutsu to understand that it's likeliest to be her weakest link.
No.. That grade was for Genjutsu only. There are grades for the others you listed.
Ninjutsu
Naruto: F
Sasuke: A
Sakura: B
Ino: A
Shikamaru: B
Chouji: B
Hinata: B
Kiba: B
Shino: A
Taijutsu
Naruto: B
Sasuke: A
Sakura: C
Ino: B
Shikamaru: C
Chouji: B
Hinata: A
Kiba: A
Shino: B
So yeah, as at academy level Sasuke > Sakura in genjutsu.
For good reason. I believe Sasuke's MS genjutsu capability is mostly due to the MS itself doing the heavy lifting. Looking back at scans though, it does seems his genjutsu isn't as trivial as I thought it was. Not that it actually harms what I'm saying due to his skill not being an inherent trait.
It's proof that Sakura's level of chakra control isn't something inherent to Sasuke.
This looks like you trying to force your wishes on the show. For one, Sakura wasn't born from Ninja parents. So where did she inherit these things from? You've also been trying to push it as if the getting Sharingan just gives you Genjutsu which is false. Granted it makes it easier to cast them but without complete knowledge of the basics its more or less useless. It doesn't take much brain power to realize Sasuke started using Genjutsu and had a drastic increase in it because he learned under an apparent Genjutsu master in Oro.
Also because Sasuke had slightly imperfect CC in p1 that means his CC is still imperfect now? Really doesn't make sense to me cause that would mean a kid only inherits whatever their parents exhibited as kids themselves. Is this correct?
Hinata's problem was not her genes, it was her. She is like a well-polished gun, with a well polished bullet, that just can't shoot right. And the Hyugga as a whole are Fodder not because they are weak but becuase they are to linear, they aren't creative, they stick with gentle fist and rotation.
Ah, one of those mangafact deniers. If you're going to take Kakashi's words that what Sasuke learned is of A-rank difficulty, don't be a hypocrite and discredit Sakura's genjutsu affinity which Kakashi admits to. purely to belittle Sakura's achievements anyhow? You yourself still note that Sakura's chakra control is stronger regardless, so that's literally the only role of you comparing their achievements. In fact, it doesn't even fulfill its role successfully. Those achievements were both well before Kakashi examined Sasuke's chakra control to be beneath Sakura's, so his chakra control was beneath Sakura's despite Sakura's own training being limited to the Academy while Sasuke'd began years prior at home.
You're off to a great start already, sweetheart; a clear sign of one not on the defensive. Do tell me why Orochimaru's got such a strong affinity for Genjutsu, yet he can't seem to cast any? I can wait. (Sasuke had learnt two Katon techs by then; one of 'em at the mere age or five or six in a week; mastered CS2 in an hour if its total release time's counted; and Chidori and Lee's Gate-I speed, which he haven't even seen, in under a month). But Sakura learnt to control chakra under her damned foot. Wow!
Sakura's chakra control's stronger based on what? Your claims? Your opinions? Some fanon made-up bullshit? Take your pick; but let me refresh your memory:
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It appears that ALL medic-nins require "precise chakra control". It isn't something unique to Sakura. Is she a bit more unique in this regard? Of course. Does she have very good chakra control? I never said otherwise. Is her chakra control the best? Based on what, exactly? You've yet to prove this. Then we have the fact that Sakura's control was good because of its direct co-relation to her tiny, tiny chakra reserves, and Sasuke's chakra control was less perfect and Naruto's control was poor because of their large reserves:
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Years at home? Scans? We can all wait for those fan-fiction links, too. Sasuke learnt Nature and Shape Transformation (an incredible talent that takes years to hone) in a week, at the age of five/six. I mean, come the **** on!
As in, Sasuke's accomplishments were well within in Sakura's reach at whatever point she'd gain the chakra capacity to do so with whatever nature affinity she has.
Oh, were they well within her reach? Based on what? Let me make something very plain and very clear: Sakura isn't YOUR character; she's Kishimoto's character (putting these in bold, so that it sinks in); so whatever he says goes, not you. At no point in the manga did Sakura display any sort of talent for learning Nature Transformation and Spatial Transformation and their combination; and, yes, that requires an incredible talent:
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So Sakura's "talent" is what Kishimoto decides, not what you "assume" in your fan-fictions and assumptions. Let's see some scans, ANY scan, for Sakura's so-called talent in Shape and Nature transformation. You won't find any. You assume that she's talent in N&S Manipulation. The manga shows the exact opposite. (Tsunade knows one crappy Raiton, and Sakura couldn't even learn that, which means that Tsunade's talent for Nature and Shape manipulation's crap, too); and one more thing: what isn't in the manga, doesn't exist. Heck, Sakura's so amazing that her super strength is a direct adaption of her medical ninjutsu:
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It isn't even anything unique. Does it use precise and good CC? Yes, it does. Does it prove that it gives her magical talent for N&S Manipulation? ****, no! Tsunade makes it very clear in her dialogue that the "talent" required for Medic-nins is just different. The ball's in your court. Post a scan. Your assumptions just won't cut it.
You're not being creative. Sharingan being able to visualize what's going on with a person's chakra is a great asset to assist with chakra control.Sharingan would allow a person to determine how much juice they're putting into attacks & give them a stronger idea of where they want their chakra to be at. If Sasuke were in Naruto's position here,
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Sasuke would literally be able to see the ratios and just up/decrease his output of the chakras until it looked like it was the ratio Killer B said rather than rely on some vague feeling of right or wrong. INB4 you start strawmanning that I believe Sasuke's chakra control is credited 100% to his Sharingan.
I didn't straw-man anything; you did. I'm sorry, how does the bold directly link to what you claimed? A person's still controlling the chakra through his own ability. A person KNOWS how much chakra they're putting out. Also your "vague feeling" argument. What a load of crap. How was Bee able to know what he was doing?
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Do you think people need to LOOK at their chakra to see what they're doing to perform well? Do the Uchiha and the Hyuga keep stealing glances at their bodies to see what's happening with the chakra? Vague feeling of right and wrong, based on what? Are you for real? Where're you getting this from, anyway? Where's it even mentioned that the chakra people use without Sensing or Ocular powers do so on a fucking whim/vague feeling? Like, holy hell . . . classic case of a poor straw-man if I ever saw one. No wonder no one bothers with Sakura fans. Jesus . . . people without Sensing and Ocular powers manage chakra's on a whim. Pack it up, folks, she's spoken!
The Sharingan simply tells you the level. If that were true, then Kurama would've stated the same for SM Naruto using SOTSP Naruto, with his "Universal Knowledge", too, as it provides the pinnacle of sensing. Kurama could've said the same for Madara and Obito as Jubi-Jins, who not only posses the Rinnegans but also the Sage's SM. Kurama would've complimented Sakura, haha. Why isn't any Byakugan user shown the same courtesy? Why isn't any Sharingan user bar Sasuke given the same compliment?
Nah, your irony-soaked straw-man ain't gonna work. What you think isn't really relevant, now is it? What the manga thinks is more relevant. Can I see some scan that the Sharingan CONTROLS the chakra in the network, enough to assist in controlling the output which the fucking body manages? Sasuke could see chakra in part I, too, then why wasn't he able to just perfect his control? I mean, it can see it, but it can be sensed by other sensors and seen by other ocular Jutsus, as well; yet Sasuke's the only one who was given this compliment. Show me that scan. Oh, and, we have this, too:
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Looks like the Sharingan's ability is directly proportional to the caster's talent, too; so even if your argument's considered correct for a tiny part of a second, looks like it fails there, too. Whoops!
Madara "stabilizing" such a large chakra and changing its shape, and we all know how giving "shape" to chakra's such an impressive feat. The Uchiha consistently control and stabilzie that chakra. But, man, is Sakura's healing mighty impressive! Like, holy hell, she HEALS, yo!!! Heck, Sasuke mastered the best CS mark in the manga on his fourth or fifth release, despite being in constant state of pain and the seal. Sasuke literally mastered CS 2 (as I showed before) in a matter of few hours (because he only released it a few times. I doubt it was even an hour!) And guess what, CS 2 not only drains massive amount of chakra, but also causes pain, chakra corrosion and whatnot!
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The drawbacks for CS2 are massive! And still Sasuke learnt it so quickly, and combined a move-set with it brilliantly within a day! Sakura could do shit in part one!
Yeaa, no, Kurama wouldn't. The Rinnegan being the source of Sasuke's ability to absorb the beasts already reasons it as the reason Sasuke could even perform the task at all. I'd say that makes it the biggest factor from the get go. I've never actually said Sasuke is otherwise typical in regards to skill, so you can bounce out with pretenses of me denying that Sasuke's skill is special.
Yeah, no, what? Absorbing the chakra means shit when he didn't even absorb it, but controlled ALL of it externally. Which Rinnegan ability allows for the external control of Chakra? Which Path? Part I characters could absorb it. Nagato could absorb it. Madara could absorb it, with Universal knowledge of all Things on that's granted by Sage's Senjutsu. Hashirama can suppress chakra. Obito could absorb it. Kurama's never given such a compliment to anyone. The argument isn't even the absorption of chakra, but what was being done to it. The way it was handled. Kurama never said, "Oh, my fucking God, man!! Look at this guy absorbing chakra with the Rinnegan!!! Look at him!!!". The argument was based on what was DONE with the chakra based on the replication of Sage's best feat:
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Kurama's compliment's got everything to do with how the chakra was handled: All of that chakra was stabilized, transformed through the rules of Nature and Spatial transformation (which Kakashi claimed to be an uncommon talent that's being applied at Sage of the Six Paths level by a mere 17-year-old), given further shapes, and on top of that, Susanoo (which requires immense chakra stabilization to maintain its form and shape) was being converted into a fucking Mezo. Not even that, it was a direct reversal of Sage's best feat: Creation of all Things. And Sasuke completed all of that before Kurama ended his dialogue! Heck, Sasuke's Rinnegan ability of CT's the only unique one out of all the Rinnegans. I wonder why?
Heck, Sasuke literally created the absorption dragons (an S-Rank feat, according to the manga despite wielding the Rinnegan) out of nothing but turning his Susanoo into the said Mezo when he's not even seen both!
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This is something that can ONLY be done with the Mezo! Yet Sasuke did it without it! Why didn't anyone turn something else into Mezo? THAT was what impressed Kurama. Not any bullshit you keep making up, as he's performing a tech that can't be performed without the mezo! Fucking Christ, I mean, and you call others cock-suckers. More irony!
What was Sasuke seeing and comparing his chakra to, exactly, to perform all of this? He's never even seen the Gedo Mezo! You keep playing semantics and pulling made-up nonsense out of your arse, and you haven't posted squat to back up your claims. Fact remains, Sasuke's the ONLY person Kurama compared to the Sage when the Rinnegan was wielded by Three people! When Hashirama's control's also godly. When Madara's chakra control, even before using Rinnegan, was out of this world. When Kurama's so old that the Sage was considered a myth, yet Sasuke's the only person Kurama complimented.
Don't bother quoting me with more empty words; I'm not going to bother responding if you do.
Keep posting this way, and I'm sure no one with bother with you, like no one bothers with Femme. She, too, posts filled with empty, delusional arguments for Sakura. Heck, you already liked her stupid post that's without a scan, as usual.
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Clearly, someone like YOU should be taken seriously when she's liking the post of someone who claims Sakura to be above heavy-hitters and then turns around to claim that I'm denying the manga and am a cock-sucker (Irony!) when they ONLY person to ever compliment Sakura (other than her Mentor, who herself has shitty elemental Jutsu knowledge) for learning any decent technique's Shizune! Great achievement unlocked: Shizune complimented you (Hashirama only mentioned her strength in passing, literally). Whoop-dee-doo!
Sakura chakra control is so advanced that she could literally cut the nerve from a cell. Sakura's chakra control isn't any wear near the heavy hitters because its above, and there is no other form above her own.
Sakura can do things with her chakra that other people require seals and help with. Delicate Illness Extraction is the most advanced jutsu in the series.
Oh, yeah, I agree! That C and B rank (which are non-elemental to boot--the former being Chunin-Class, non-elemental tech), which puts her WAY, WAY above everyone!
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Another dumb post from you. You must have a record by now!
If you're going to take Kakashi's words that what Sasuke learned is of A-rank difficulty, don't be a hypocrite and discredit Sakura's genjutsu affinity which Kakashi admits to. Why swallow Sasuke's dick purely to belittle Sakura's achievements anyhow? You yourself still note that Sakura's chakra control is stronger regardless, so that's literally the only role of you comparing their achievements. In fact, it doesn't even fulfill its role successfully. Those achievements were both well before Kakashi examined Sasuke's chakra control to be beneath Sakura's, so his chakra control was beneath Sakura's despite Sakura's own training being limited to the Academy while Sasuke'd began years prior at home. As in, Sasuke's accomplishments were well within in Sakura's reach at whatever point she'd gain the chakra capacity to do so with whatever nature affinity she has.