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I believe this should jog everyone's memory and make it pretty clear what was going on.

While I had my reservations about Naruto responding to Hinata, specifically - it is difficult, with the ordering of panels, to see how Kishimoto was implying anything other than Naruto responding more specifically to Hinata - particularly given his ignorance of what is going on in the grander scheme.

While Naruto is somewhat impulsive - he's also not entirely stupid. If he were aware of something "OMGWTFBBQ" like IT by sensing everyone's chakra going bonkers, then his reaction wouldn't be to turn and dart off in a direction - because there is no direction to dart off to. The only reason for him to attempt to dash in a specific direction is if in response to a more localized event that he can react to. The fact that he doesn't seem to be aware of what is going on outside, or to what scale, indicates that he was reacting to a specific stimulus.

Though exactly how he would be sensing Hinata over everyone else is a bit sketchy (without evoking "the power of love" arguments that go about as far as bad pick-up lines... the only go as far as the approach would have gone without them).

While it can still be argued that Naruto was just being who he is and dashing in the direction of the nearest problem area; even if that is the case, it is clear that Kishimoto wanted to illustrate that Naruto was reacting more to Hinata than to the greater overall events he is later shown to be largely ignorant of.

Just thought it was one of the more mundane disputes that has been had - and everyone's busy talking about Madara, Zetsu, and Kaguya. As if Madara getting 'pawned' by Kaguya was some kind of big surprise. Though if all it took was a hand through the chest, Sasuke could have just pretended Madara was Naruto and gotten it over with a long time ago.

But, I digress.

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Naruto was reacting to Hinata. Prepare yourself, some people on here beg to differ
 

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Yes, you're right. It seems more clear than before that Naruto was reacting to Hinata rather than I.T itself. He wasn't aware of what was happening on the outside but he felt the urge to jet off to Hinata. It is strange that he felt that (of course like you said, w/o resorting to "power of love" Lol) but I can't think of a better reasoning. Anyways, great analysis even though this will probably be overlooked, your point stands firm.

Oh and if Sasuke did that, that would take out all the fun :p
 

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Yea that totally make sense, because in the last panel you've provided, Naruto was shocked that everyone was also caught under Genjutsu which further implying that the earlier panel, Naruto actually reacted to Hinata.
 

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Many people think that naruto wasn't responding to hinata because of the distance involved... But that distance is nothing to naruto... He have done better feats before which involved even longer distance. Like he clearly knew Sasuke was going to be teleported to his location by the tobirama and that too at the exact moment, to which he took the kunai to his mouth. So if he could sense all that with such high precision, it is just a piece of cake to sense hinata calling him out....
 

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Naruto was not reacting to Hinata only... he was reacting to everyone being affected by the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

This very chapter proved that he had no idea what was goin on outside.
Read the thread.
 

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It was pretty much confirmed Hinata differ from others.
 

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Yes, you're right. It seems more clear than before that Naruto was reacting to Hinata rather than I.T itself. He wasn't aware of what was happening on the outside but he felt the urge to jet off to Hinata. It is strange that he felt that (of course like you said, w/o resorting to "power of love" Lol) but I can't think of a better reasoning. Anyways, great analysis even though this will probably be overlooked, your point stands firm.

Oh and if Sasuke did that, that would take out all the fun :p

Well, my theory on it goes so far out into the land of predictions that it left the tree branch behind and is floating in space.

Basically, it revolves around the destiny of Kaguya and an unnamed Uzumaki and Hinata and our well-known Uzumaki.

Kaguya and Hinata are polar opposites of each other. Kaguya is the embodiment of Wei - or action. Hinata is the embodiment of Wu - or yielding. This, somewhat, parallels the Sage's sons in the idea that the elder son embraced the idea of using force while the younger son embraced the idea of yielding to the force of others (in the context of Wu - it is also that of directing a natural force).

This goes along well with the Hyuuga and Taoist connections where the goal of the Taoist Sage is "Wei Wu Wei" - Action without effort, or affecting change without actively doing anything. The "motto" of this concept is: "Nothing is done, yet nothing is left undone."

I've somewhat jokingly made the Argument that Hinata is the most true Sage of the entire series, since she has been intertwined with every major character development of Naruto and been the impetus for guiding him through the toughest challenges he's faced.

During the Chuunin exams - it was Hinata's defeat that spurred Naruto into defeating Neji - and not just defeating Neji - but in finding the words to affect a change in Neji's view of the world. Were it not for Naruto's actions - Hiashi would have never fully recognized Neji's suffering (or, at least, certainly not in time to do anything about it), and Neji would not have been nearly as receptive of Hiashi's apology and explanation of events (even with the letter from Hizashi).

Hinata did nothing... yet she left nothing undone.

When Naruto was pinned before Pain - it was her sacrifice that spoke deeply to the concepts Pain was trying to convey. It was her sacrifice that gave Naruto the ability to understand what Nagato hoped to end, and also strengthened his resolve to gain control over the Fox as opposed to simply ignore its existence (only for it to take over in a time of desperation and hopelessness).

Once again, she did nothing - but left nothing undone (and, in this case, unsaid).

And, again - we saw it when Naruto was about to yield to Obito and accept the idea that everyone would be better off in a dream world where they wouldn't die. While some claim this was somewhat out of character - it is somewhat understandable. Neji was one of the first people he truly "talk-no-jutsued" and the first true challenge to his character/goals. His death would have hit him hard... and I'm sure he certainly felt the other ninja dying all over the place, as well. If all he had to do was give up to stop the fighting and allow them all to live, rather than risk losing nearly everyone...

Even then, Hinata only briefly uses "Wei" before going back into the more yielding/assisting role. It was her inspiration that helped him to come up with the idea (and... actually... how the hell did Naruto figure out how to share chakra with people? Something to do with the Hyuuga and the way they are experienced in ****ing with other people's chakra giving him a good 'first round practice?') and the resolve to spread the Kyuubi's chakra around.

Once again, nothing done; nothing left undone.

If we go back to the idea that Naruto is supposed to be the one to "Walk the correct path" - Hinata's been there nudging him back into bounds the whole way.

Then we go into Neji's whole spiel about Destiny and how Hinata and Naruto share the same one (which he interpreted to mean that Naruto's destiny was to lose to him...)... and he seemed to catch on, there at the end, with the whole "Your life is not only one" speech.

When we reconcile that concept against "lol Hinata tripped" instances - we can easily draw the conclusion that Kishimoto intends to point out that just as Naruto 'died' - so, too, did Hinata (or, at least, she blacked out - which could quickly lead to death where she was). There are numerous times where this is illustrated, and often much to the confusion of the western audiences (who seem to forget manga and story-telling are arts, not simulators).

But, I think I've rambled on long enough with that point.
 

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Well, my theory on it goes so far out into the land of predictions that it left the tree branch behind and is floating in space.

Basically, it revolves around the destiny of Kaguya and an unnamed Uzumaki and Hinata and our well-known Uzumaki.

Kaguya and Hinata are polar opposites of each other. Kaguya is the embodiment of Wei - or action. Hinata is the embodiment of Wu - or yielding. This, somewhat, parallels the Sage's sons in the idea that the elder son embraced the idea of using force while the younger son embraced the idea of yielding to the force of others (in the context of Wu - it is also that of directing a natural force).

This goes along well with the Hyuuga and Taoist connections where the goal of the Taoist Sage is "Wei Wu Wei" - Action without effort, or affecting change without actively doing anything. The "motto" of this concept is: "Nothing is done, yet nothing is left undone."

I've somewhat jokingly made the Argument that Hinata is the most true Sage of the entire series, since she has been intertwined with every major character development of Naruto and been the impetus for guiding him through the toughest challenges he's faced.

During the Chuunin exams - it was Hinata's defeat that spurred Naruto into defeating Neji - and not just defeating Neji - but in finding the words to affect a change in Neji's view of the world. Were it not for Naruto's actions - Hiashi would have never fully recognized Neji's suffering (or, at least, certainly not in time to do anything about it), and Neji would not have been nearly as receptive of Hiashi's apology and explanation of events (even with the letter from Hizashi).

Hinata did nothing... yet she left nothing undone.

When Naruto was pinned before Pain - it was her sacrifice that spoke deeply to the concepts Pain was trying to convey. It was her sacrifice that gave Naruto the ability to understand what Nagato hoped to end, and also strengthened his resolve to gain control over the Fox as opposed to simply ignore its existence (only for it to take over in a time of desperation and hopelessness).

Once again, she did nothing - but left nothing undone (and, in this case, unsaid).

And, again - we saw it when Naruto was about to yield to Obito and accept the idea that everyone would be better off in a dream world where they wouldn't die. While some claim this was somewhat out of character - it is somewhat understandable. Neji was one of the first people he truly "talk-no-jutsued" and the first true challenge to his character/goals. His death would have hit him hard... and I'm sure he certainly felt the other ninja dying all over the place, as well. If all he had to do was give up to stop the fighting and allow them all to live, rather than risk losing nearly everyone...

Even then, Hinata only briefly uses "Wei" before going back into the more yielding/assisting role. It was her inspiration that helped him to come up with the idea (and... actually... how the hell did Naruto figure out how to share chakra with people? Something to do with the Hyuuga and the way they are experienced in ****ing with other people's chakra giving him a good 'first round practice?') and the resolve to spread the Kyuubi's chakra around.

Once again, nothing done; nothing left undone.

If we go back to the idea that Naruto is supposed to be the one to "Walk the correct path" - Hinata's been there nudging him back into bounds the whole way.

Then we go into Neji's whole spiel about Destiny and how Hinata and Naruto share the same one (which he interpreted to mean that Naruto's destiny was to lose to him...)... and he seemed to catch on, there at the end, with the whole "Your life is not only one" speech.

When we reconcile that concept against "lol Hinata tripped" instances - we can easily draw the conclusion that Kishimoto intends to point out that just as Naruto 'died' - so, too, did Hinata (or, at least, she blacked out - which could quickly lead to death where she was). There are numerous times where this is illustrated, and often much to the confusion of the western audiences (who seem to forget manga and story-telling are arts, not simulators).

But, I think I've rambled on long enough with that point.
Well explained.

There are people who still don't get it.
 

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This very chapter proved that he had no idea what was goin on outside.
Read the thread.
i never said that Naruto knew what going on outside... also just so you know a person can still react to something without knowing what that something is, in Naruto's case he didn't know that the Infinite Tsukuyomi was affecting everyone yet he sensed something going on outside and his reaction was to go outside and see what's going on out there but Sasuke stopped him from leaving the Susanoo, also don't make the wrong assumptions when reading another person's Comment.
 

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Wish people could just understand this a little.

Hope there's more for Hinata. It would be awesome if she could get out of IT all by herself or if she's taken by Kaguya to reincarnate.
 

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i never said that Naruto knew what going on outside... also just so you know a person can still react to something without knowing what that something is, in Naruto's case he didn't know that the Infinite Tsukuyomi was affecting everyone yet he sensed something going on outside and his reaction was to go outside and see what's going on out there but Sasuke stopped him from leaving the Susanoo, also don't make the wrong assumptions when reading another person's Comment.

Naruto's reaction wasn't curiosity. It was urgency, and an instinctive one.

If Naruto wished to see what was going on outside of Susano'o - all he needed to do was run forward. Instead, it's implied that he turns to a more specific direction.

Further, there are two panels of Naruto's reaction. He's acutely made aware of a problem, then he is shown 'soaking in' the sensations before dashing off (for anywhere between two tenths of a second and a full minute of screen-fill time if we're going with DBZ). The key panel is the "!" - immediately following "Naruto-Kun." Do not pass go, do not collect 200 Ryo - Go straight to whoever called your name.

Even if we want to argue that Naruto senses what is going on - something is obviously shown triggering him into doing so... and if he is only shown having partial awareness of what is going on - it heavily implies that awareness was drawn from that brief panel of 'sensing' in reaction to ... "a disturbance in the force?"

If you were an author, and you wanted to convey that Naruto was sensing disturbances in the force... where would you include Hinata's "Naruto-Kun?"

You can argue that it was arranged specifically to be dramatic as opposed to try and illustrate a sequence of events - but it seems rather pithy for an author who is not known for wasting panels on character development. Sai doesn't get a dream? But it was totally necessary to have two pages of tree roots and hanging pods - not to mention the whole unnecessary argument between the old Team Seven - Sasuke can be made out to be a prick with far fewer panels (and it's been done in the past).

Actually... that brings up a "good idea for a Naruto-Abridged series."

Obito-half of ... whatever isn't Obito ... : "Seriously? That's all it took? A hand through the chest? Well, if Masked-Man and Boy-Blunder were his friends, this would have been over before it started."
 

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Naruto has Sage mode. He can sense everyone, just as he has done plenty of times (f.e: Pain's arc). You just proved that Naruto can sense people, but not only Hinata.
 

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Naruto has Sage mode. He can sense everyone, just as he has done plenty of times (f.e: Pain's arc). You just proved that Naruto can sense people, but not only Hinata.

There is no interim panel. "Naruto-Kun" - "!" - then Naruto is shown 'sensing.'

It wasn't: "Sea of the Holy Tree Jutsu" - *Explosions* "OMGWTFBBQ" - "!" - "Naruto, bad things, stay in here." - "Naruto-Kun"

Which is a more dramatic structuring of events and more consistent with the idea of "Naruto senses bad things happening." That ordering of events also introduces more tension because we can then interpret it as Naruto 'seeing' his friends fall helpless to an insanely powerful genjutsu.

If you would pay attention, you'd realize that my argument isn't that Naruto can only sense Hinata - it is that he is reacting to Hinata, specifically. Naruto's general ignorance of the peril the planet is in suggests that he is very narrowly aware of what is going on - which highly suggests his reaction was prompted by Hinata in a way that has not currently been explained (if it ever will).
 

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It was already confirmed with the last chapter.

Hinata really differ from others. Her message did reach Naruto's mind. How come people can ignore that, it's a fact already lol
 

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U guys are blind to ur ship.....naruto wasnt reacting to just hinata.....naruto has always been verbal.....he always yells out the person's name...ur interpretation is blinded by love for hinata....im not saying he wasnt...but with no verbal indication. ...its more likely he wasnt....
 

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So I think there can be many interpretation of what's going on. Saying that Naruto did not sense everyone is not correct. I would rather say that Naruto got a flash of what was going on. Why was he surprise then, you will ask.

See, Naruto sensed that something was going out, and Kishi used Hinata to show that. However, the genjutsu was so quick that everyone fall to sleep and in a very happy state. From that, Naruto simply cannot sense any danger from outside because everyone outside is happy and things will look actually better than peace. This is why Naruto was surprised when Sasuke said that people are caught in genjutsu.

Will you tell me that I am wrong? Well you can. However, let me remind you that even in chapter 677, Sasuke already explained to Naruto that the genjutsus was activated, and even talked about the shadows. So clearly, Naruto knew that there was genjutsus. However, as I explained above, all his sensing was normal after the flash he received initially because people started to dream.

Now, to those who think Naruto could not sense others, they have to have their memory erased. Actually, the one who did not sense anything was Sasuke. Sasuke was merely assuming that everyone would fall under the IT. He even does not know that the edo Kages are not affected. On the other hand, Naruto was even able to know that BZ was not affected by the IT. This show also what I said above - that is the IT was so quick that people started to dream, thus Naruto did not feel any effect of danger outside because those caught were happy.
 

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U guys are blind to ur ship.....naruto wasnt reacting to just hinata.....naruto has always been verbal.....he always yells out the person's name...ur interpretation is blinded by love for hinata....im not saying he wasnt...but with no verbal indication. ...its more likely he wasnt....

What you are stating operates under the assumption that Naruto recognized the 'call' as being from Hinata. While 'we' like to think Naruto has special feelings for Hinata and jump to the conclusion that Naruto is reacting because -it is- Hinata (as opposed to reacting because -of- Hinata), it is clearly shown that Naruto reacts to something, then 'takes in' the sensation.

This, right after "Naruto-Kun."

Now, you can argue "blinded by ship" all you want - but the fact is that, at the very least, Kishimoto has been predictable in his depiction of Hinata in symbolic roles alongside Naruto. Even if we want to make the argument that none of this has any implication for the kinetic plot and mechanical underpinnings, these types of events have been predictable for over a year, now (since well before that, actually).

Back when Hinata "held hands" with Naruto - there was the outrage: "Irrelevant! She has had her moment in the spot-light, but she's not a main character and we won't see her again!" Since then, she's racked up more panels than any of the other K-11 that aren't Team-7, and more panel time in the last 75 chapters than she had in the previous 400.

Now, I'm blatantly lumping you into that category that you may not belong to - but this isn't exactly my first rodeo.

There is a thing called reading comprehension. Honestly, they suck at evaluating it in pretty much all education systems.

There are three things to comprehend:

The Mechanical Underpinnings

The Mechanical Underpinnings are the construct of the world - it is where the story takes place, the environment, the rules and laws of physical behavior. The author is free to choose this environment, but the reader ultimately must be able to connect with the environment, as this is what the plot interacts with.

The Kinetic Plot

This is the trajectory of plot events as established by the mechanical underpinnings. A train rolling down a set of rails is not expected to suddenly take a left turn unless the rails indicate it will do so. Understanding the kinetic plot is key to building tension and comprehending where the author has intervened as the "Hand of God."

Which leads us to the Author's Intent

Comprehending the Author's intent is the realization that the story is not real, it was created for a specific purpose and characters made the decisions they made because the author chose to have them make those decisions. It is the realization that stories are not simulators and not supposed to be purely kinetic in nature. They are meant to carry a meaning, to be entertaining, and to be dramatic.

If you can't understand how things -should- work, then you have difficulty picking out where the author has intentionally tweaked things to do more than just 'protect' a character.

Sometimes, it is blatant - such as when a character seems out of character. Other times, it is very subtle - such as when a character is not mentioned as being present.

Very good authors can put their message into a story without it appearing unnatural - they can introduce drama and tension without making things feel melodramatic or 'over the top.' Very poor authors will simply talk about their story in flat sentences without ever being able to make you feel as if you are observing a scene.

Even in manga, where there is a visual component to assist - it is still as story being constructed by the author and the visual component is another dimension to consider. The ordering of events is just as important as the content of discussions. Though you have to be careful of misinterpreting "ruts" for plot significance. For example - I had a friend who wrote a few fan fictions way back when you were in diapers. Most of her characters had romantic encounters under a starry backdrop. Obviously, the stars (or being out under them) was an infinitely romantic concept to her and it worked its way into her writing without her being fully conscious of it. It wasn't because some Kupid-Madara was reflecting the light of Infinite-Aphrodite off of the stars, or something. It held no real plot significance but was revealing of the author.

Are simple visual parallels meant to hold significance - the visual component of art? ... Or are they just quirks of the author who has gotten in the habit of drawing things a certain way?

Here's a good prompt to get you into the mindset of analysis:

[video=youtube;ABcXyZn9xjg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcXyZn9xjg[/video]
 

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What you are stating operates under the assumption that Naruto recognized the 'call' as being from Hinata. While 'we' like to think Naruto has special feelings for Hinata and jump to the conclusion that Naruto is reacting because -it is- Hinata (as opposed to reacting because -of- Hinata), it is clearly shown that Naruto reacts to something, then 'takes in' the sensation.

This, right after "Naruto-Kun."

Now, you can argue "blinded by ship" all you want - but the fact is that, at the very least, Kishimoto has been predictable in his depiction of Hinata in symbolic roles alongside Naruto. Even if we want to make the argument that none of this has any implication for the kinetic plot and mechanical underpinnings, these types of events have been predictable for over a year, now (since well before that, actually).

Back when Hinata "held hands" with Naruto - there was the outrage: "Irrelevant! She has had her moment in the spot-light, but she's not a main character and we won't see her again!" Since then, she's racked up more panels than any of the other K-11 that aren't Team-7, and more panel time in the last 75 chapters than she had in the previous 400.

Now, I'm blatantly lumping you into that category that you may not belong to - but this isn't exactly my first rodeo.

There is a thing called reading comprehension. Honestly, they suck at evaluating it in pretty much all education systems.

There are three things to comprehend:

The Mechanical Underpinnings

The Mechanical Underpinnings are the construct of the world - it is where the story takes place, the environment, the rules and laws of physical behavior. The author is free to choose this environment, but the reader ultimately must be able to connect with the environment, as this is what the plot interacts with.

The Kinetic Plot

This is the trajectory of plot events as established by the mechanical underpinnings. A train rolling down a set of rails is not expected to suddenly take a left turn unless the rails indicate it will do so. Understanding the kinetic plot is key to building tension and comprehending where the author has intervened as the "Hand of God."

Which leads us to the Author's Intent

Comprehending the Author's intent is the realization that the story is not real, it was created for a specific purpose and characters made the decisions they made because the author chose to have them make those decisions. It is the realization that stories are not simulators and not supposed to be purely kinetic in nature. They are meant to carry a meaning, to be entertaining, and to be dramatic.

If you can't understand how things -should- work, then you have difficulty picking out where the author has intentionally tweaked things to do more than just 'protect' a character.

Sometimes, it is blatant - such as when a character seems out of character. Other times, it is very subtle - such as when a character is not mentioned as being present.

Very good authors can put their message into a story without it appearing unnatural - they can introduce drama and tension without making things feel melodramatic or 'over the top.' Very poor authors will simply talk about their story in flat sentences without ever being able to make you feel as if you are observing a scene.

Even in manga, where there is a visual component to assist - it is still as story being constructed by the author and the visual component is another dimension to consider. The ordering of events is just as important as the content of discussions. Though you have to be careful of misinterpreting "ruts" for plot significance. For example - I had a friend who wrote a few fan fictions way back when you were in diapers. Most of her characters had romantic encounters under a starry backdrop. Obviously, the stars (or being out under them) was an infinitely romantic concept to her and it worked its way into her writing without her being fully conscious of it. It wasn't because some Kupid-Madara was reflecting the light of Infinite-Aphrodite off of the stars, or something. It held no real plot significance but was revealing of the author.

Are simple visual parallels meant to hold significance - the visual component of art? ... Or are they just quirks of the author who has gotten in the habit of drawing things a certain way?

Here's a good prompt to get you into the mindset of analysis:

Ur under the assumption that Hinata "Naruto-Kun" is in a different time-frame then everyone being sucked into the genjustu. When its obvious that everyone was being wrapped up at the same time. Just because panels began focusing on Hinata's thoughts, doesn't mean that she was the only spark of "sensation" that caused Naruto to react. Considering that the sensation as a whole happened at the same time. Which is much more likely that is what Naruto's reaction was too. Your logic is flawed mainly because Naruto has shown no type of external cognitive perception, as such if he somehow knew Hinata screamed out his name, he would have know mentally that Sakura was alright when she was stabbed, and he would know the inner workings of Sasuke dark intentions, he wouldn't be unaware of what was happening outside. The only logical conclusion is that, the massive sensation of the whole world being taken up into this genjustu alerted Naruto's senses.

You say Kishi has been predictable in her symbolic nature of being besides Naruto, also makes no sense. In retrospect, they've been nothing but random, at least after the Pain Arch. Almost fan service in nature, randomly picking spots for her to contribute without overall effecting the manga's main story line. Just like with the Hyuga in general, did Kishi making Kaygua have the Byakugan even change the storyline a little, no, he could have made Kaygua a aburame member and still got the same effect.

And I would take reading comprehension over again, because you are over analyzing and filtering specific writing mechanics to fit your needs, its easy to take a notion and warp into any secular process involving Hinata and making her more important then she actually is.

Its been 2 years since my college interpreting literature, I have BS in Psych. But from what I have seen in Kishi's work, and this is where you are overanalyzing, is that Kishi is very up front with his intent, he has no vague subtle indications, there all up front subtle indications. Such for example Sasuke, Kishi "intent" to show the reader that Sasuke is still dark, his subtle hints of Sakura's fake smile, Sai's lack of trust, Sasuke "let them burn comment" aren't vague, there up front subtle indications, and thats the way Kishi operates.

You can spend hours, creating underling pretexts and interconnecting subtle cues and make a fantastic argument that Hinata role is more paramount then it actually is. But the cold hard truth is, all those final conclusions don't exist within in Kishi's work, they probably don't even exist within Kishi's mind. Kishi solid story is only this underlining cycle of hatred, and how Naruto and Sasuke are evolved, everything else is just small threads of side stories to interlock those.

I'm sorry, but you people try to make Hinata more then she actually is, and to me, that ruins her character.
 
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