Seriously, is there a proof that Totsuka can pierce anything? Mangascans or Databook?

[Davy Jones]

The manga and databook do not say anything about Totsuka can pierce anything, so where did you get that info?



100% successful pierce rate at flesh and bones means nothing if the manga and databook do not say anything about Totsuka can pierce anything.

Seriously, do you think it can pierce Collosus or Ben 10's Diamond Head?

Using your logic, Chinese Basketball Player in CBA has a 80% FG, do you think his field goal would be the same in NBA just because of the percentage rate?

no you misunderstand my logic. my logic is that its 100% and thats the only figure we have to work with so we have to use this figure all of the time. unless you have scans of it failing this is a manga fact. and you analogy makes no sense. his pierce rate is 100% in the NV. you are acting like i said he can go to the DBZ verse and totsuka people there. no. his pierce rate is 100% in NV so its a usable figure.


but seriously, you have no evidence that says it cant pierce anything. there is more evidence of it piercing anything than it is not piercing. with a 100% pierce rate, it being a spiritual ethernal weapon (meaning physical items will not interact), and it being a sacred weapon of the sage, there is more reason to believe nothing in the NV can stand up to it and is getting pierced. there is just more evidence refuting your statement as far as manga than there are in sync with it. with no real way to prove it either way i have to go with evidence over your words

So ... both sides lack proof?

Yep... exactly. one side has a slight minuet iota of a tiny amount of evidence and one side has none.

 

[Vapid]

It's a manga fact that Itachi can Totsuka the planet and seal Earthlings, neg-diff.

 

[Legitimate]

Where do you get the misconception that i said such thing?

If you didn't say such thing then it can only pierce bones and flesh, not anything.

So ... both sides lack proof?

Do you think lack of proof means it can pierce anything?

no you misunderstand my logic. my logic is that its 100% and thats the only figure we have to work with so we have to use this figure all of the time. unless you have scans of it failing this is a manga fact. and you analogy makes no sense. his pierce rate is 100% in the NV. you are acting like i said he can go to the DBZ verse and totsuka people there. no. his pierce rate is 100% in NV so its a usable figure.


but seriously, you have no evidence that says it cant pierce anything. there is more evidence of it piercing anything than it is not piercing. with a 100% pierce rate, it being a spiritual ethernal weapon (meaning physical items will not interact), and it being a sacred weapon of the sage, there is more reason to believe nothing in the NV can stand up to it and is getting pierced. there is just more evidence refuting your statement as far as manga than there are in sync with it. with no real way to prove it either way i have to go with evidence over your words




Yep... exactly. one side has a slight minuet iota of a tiny amount of evidence and one side has none.

So, your evidence is its 100% successful rate? Using that logic:

Lee will always own Sasuke as the former has 100% successful rate at the latter.

Lee will always own Madara as the former has 100% successful rate at the latter.

BZ always own Madara as the former has 100% successful rate at the latter.

Again, 100% successful rate means nothing if the manga and databook do not say that Totsuka can pierce anything.

Totsuka can't pierce Bijuu Chakra Cloak, Perfect Susanoo, Yata Mirror and Truth Seeking Ball.

Totsuka is 100% successful rate at bones and flesh.

It's funny, you Itachi fans are using the Manga and the Databook for Yata Mirror being able to deflect anything yet Totsuka lacks the statement that it can pierce anything in Naruto Universe.

 

[NukaCola]

If you didn't say such thing then it can only pierce bones and flesh, not anything.

I am afraid that i am not Kishimoto, my opinion don't affect the manga in any way.

 

[Torche]

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Can cut down any enemy, as long as something is opposing it, it is considered an "enemy" thus it can cut down any opposing thing logically. It also is formless, thus it can couldn't really be blocked.

 

[Legitimate]

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Can cut down any enemy, as long as something is opposing it, it is considered an "enemy" thus it can cut down any opposing thing logically. It also is formless, thus it can couldn't really be blocked.

Thanks, but

Cut =/= Pierce

Can't Pierce = Can't Seal

Being Spiritual has nothing to do with it.

Totsuka can cut any enemy and can seal anything it pierces, but can't pierce anything.

 

[Torche]

Thanks, but

Cut =/= Pierce

Can't Pierce = Can't Seal

Being Spiritual has nothing to do with it.

Totsuka can cut any enemy and can seal anything it pierces but can't pierce anything.

I know that, I fail to see how something that is formless is unable to pierce something? :| Something without a form cannot be blocked or stopped.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

No, there is no proof of such a fallacy. You are right. Given how Oro's sword of Kusanagi(variant of the totsuka blade) couldn't penetrate through Naruto's cloke, it's fair to say that Totsuka can't pierce everything either.

You just countered your own argument.
Kusanagi =/= Totsuka.
Simple proof is that Totsuka can seal people whereas Kusanagi cannot. They have different properties. One is physical, one is not.

BZ was Kaguya's child. She was the moon goddess, "you could say an alien"(Hagoromo). He claimed that item was sacred. He has lived through hundreds of generations. For him to say that it means that weapon had some sacred origins, either they belonged to kaguya's or the sage or his brother some time in history. Thats a perspective we have to take in account. None of the 3 ootsukis would have such a weak weapon.

For now we have 100% pierce rate. Its really futile and desperate to claim it is less than that.

The only way I can see totsuka not working is probably Shinra Tensei or something like that, even tough I doubt it.

 

[Legitimate]

I know that, I fail to see how something that is formless is unable to pierce something? :| Something without a form cannot be blocked or stopped.

Kishi is the one who decides. Totsuka is a variant of Kusanagi that can almost cut anything(except diamond and chakra cloak). So it does make sense that Totsuka can cut any enemy in Naruto Universe.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Kishi is the one who decides. Totsuka is a variant of Kusanagi that can almost cut anything(except diamond and chakra cloak). So it does make sense that Totsuka can cut any enemy in Naruto Universe.

Retreating now are we?
Thats weak.

I guess gobb just soloed ur thread.

 

[Torche]

Kishi is the one who decides. Totsuka is a variant of Kusanagi that can almost cut anything(except diamond and chakra cloak). So it does make sense that Totsuka can cut any enemy in Naruto Universe.

It would, but a formless variant is very different from just Kusanagi. It should arguably be better just because of the fact that Orochimaru looked for it for years. You could argue the point that he settled for the weaker one that he could obtain. But, I don't think that Kishi will elaborate further on these and as such the final conclusion must be made on the limited info we have on it.

 

[Legitimate]

Retreating now are we?
Thats weak.

I guess gobb just soloed ur thread.

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Cut =/= Pierce

I agree that Totsuka can cut any enemy in Naruto Universe but not pierce.

Opposing Kishi = Fanfiction = Non Canon

Totsuka can't pierce anything in Naruto Universe, deal with it.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

??

Cut =/= Pierce

I agree that Totsuka can cut any enemy in Naruto Universe but not pierce.

Opposing Kishi = Fanfiction = Non Canon

Totsuka can't pierce anything in Naruto Universe, deal with it.

Did kishi say it cannot pierce anything? Are you making up facts right now?

You are opposing Kishi because he displayed us a 100% success rate. Saying it cant be 100% its merely a vague theory.

As for facts, it has pierced anything it tried to pierce.

 

[Legitimate]

Did kishi say it cannot pierce anything? Are you making up facts right now?

Did Kishi say it can pierce anything? Kishi said it can cut any enemy but he didn't bother saying it can pierce anything.

You are opposing Kishi because he displayed us a 100% success rate. Saying it cant be 100% its merely a vague theory.

As for facts, it has pierced anything it tried to pierce.

Look,

the cutting rate is 100% + databook said it can cut any enemy = fact

the piercing rate is 100% + ???? no sources claiming it can pierce anything and Kishi didn't bother saying it pierce can anything after saying it can cut any enemy, LOL, logic tells you Kishi does not believe it can pierce anything = Totsuka can't pierce anything

Yata Mirror's blocking rate is 100% + databook and manga said it can deflect anything = fact

 

[Davy Jones]

my logic is it can pierce anything because it has pierced everything it aimed to pierce. simple as that.

do you have scans to back up it cant?

No. because it has pierced everything..

any other proof to support your statement?

No

so with that said, you only believe it cannot pierce anything because thats what you want to believe. you dont care about proof or evidence. if you did you would have some. you only hope and wish that it does not pierce anything so thats what you are arguing. you are using your words but have no proof. soooo how can your argument be that we have no proof when you dont either

 

[Zee U]

There's no proof whatsoever that it can pierce anything, but there's all we need to know to prove that it seals anything that it pierces.

 

[Legitimate]

my logic is it can pierce anything because it has pierced everything it aimed to pierce. simple as that.

do you have scans to back up it cant?

No. because it has pierced everything..

any other proof to support your statement?

No

so with that said, you only believe it cannot pierce anything because thats what you want to believe. you dont care about proof or evidence. if you did you would have some. you only hope and wish that it does not pierce anything so thats what you are arguing. you are using your words but have no proof. soooo how can your argument be that we have no proof when you dont either

Kishi could simply add pierce to the statement "it can cut any enemy" but he didn't bother.

Ask yourself why Kishi didn't add the word pierce to the statement "it can cut any enemy".

Where's my proof? The databook only said CUT ANY ENEMY, NOT PIERCE.

 

[Davy Jones]

Kishi could simply add pierce to the statement "it can cut any enemy" but he didn't bother.

Ask yourself why Kishi didn't add the word pierce to the statement "it can cut any enemy".

Where's my proof? The databook only said CUT ANY ENEMY, NOT PIERCE.

lol so your only evidence is word play... thats not evidence. and why would a blade cut anything but not be able to pierce..... lol daht logic.


look

1 you have no scans to prove your view.

2 there is no way to prove your view or the other

3 you are bias.


that is all


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LMFAO


what blade can cut and not pierce??????? lmfao soooooo kishi made it the most OP sword except for the tip of it. because thats the part that cant cut everything. but the rest of the sword can lmfao

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

Can your opponent's monsters declare an attack when you play sword of the revealing light?

Yes. IF one of the monsters on your opponents side of the field has the ability to negate the card, return the card back to the hand, or destroy the card.

OT: It's a spiritiual weapon, so ofc it can pierce anything. Don't believe the bull crap fanfic that it can seal the earth or the galaxy though. That's fanfic.

 

[Legitimate]

lol so your only evidence is word play...

Saying no evidence as a it can pierce anything is more of a wordplay.

Are you saying

"100% Success Rate + Kishi didn't say it can pierce anything" is more of a fact than "100% Success Rate + if Kishi said it can pierce anything"

thats not evidence. and why would a blade cut anything but not be able to pierce..... lol daht logic.

Simply because cutting is for separating each parts and piercing is for sealing.

look

1 you have no scans to prove your view.

Kishi didn't say it can pierce anything, he could simply say it but he didn't.

2 there is no way to prove your view or the other

Kishi said it can cut anything not pierce.

3 you are bias.


that is all

Me bias? After believing that Totsuka can cut any enemy.

Yes. IF one of the monsters on your opponents side of the field has the ability to negate the card, return the card back to the hand, or destroy the card.

OT: It's a spiritiual weapon, so ofc it can pierce anything. Don't believe the bull crap fanfic that it can seal the earth or the galaxy though. That's fanfic.

But Databook disagrees, it can cut any enemy, not pierce.

Kuwabara's sword is spiritual weapon but it can't pierce anything.

Rukia's sword is spiritual weapon but it can't pierce anything.