[Discussion] Serious DBZ Question!!

MickNerks

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Who do you guys believe is the stronger of the 2 in the DBZ universe?


SSJ4 Gogeta or Bills?


Im curious who is stronger. Gogeta toyed with omega shenron with no difficulty and Bill made SSj3 goku look like fodder, so who do you guy think is the strongest between the two?

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Considering we take into account non-canon DBZ GT
 
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I do go for Non Canon Super saiyanjin 4 Gogeta
 

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Non-Canon DBGT SSJ4 Gogeta....

But if I want to look at it with canon, I'd say Bills.

As far as I'm concerned, GT never happened.
 

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From what I'm hearing...

People say bill (didn't watch the movie)

But ss4gogeta would never get blitzed by vegeta
 

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Ssj4 Gogeta , just because he looks better and is strong as hell
 

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Perhaps Bills. But I'm going with SSJ4 Gogeta
 

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Gogeta wins, omega shenron utterly demolished two ssj4's. And the same person was being toyed around with whilst fused.
 

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I give it to Bills. Not because he is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, but because Gogeta's personality is so unstable that Goku and Vegeta can't even maintain this state of fusion due to it. In the middle of the fight with Bills, SSj4 Gogeta would probably unfuse just like he did during the omega Shanron fight.
 
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SSJ4 Gogeta

GT characters were OP as hell, Goku beat Rildo who was stronger than Buu in his normal form
 

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How is this even a serious question?

SSJ4 Gogeta is stronger.

BoG Goku at SSJ3 isn't even half as strong as a normal GT Goku in that arc.

So it's a stomp.
 

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SSJ4 Gogeta

GT characters were OP as hell, Goku beat Rildo who was stronger than Buu in his normal form

Goku had no problem with Rildo and I believe goku commented on how he was as strong as majin buu, he raped him in ssj1. It's been 4 years since I last watched GT so all I remember is he had no trouble with him even in base.
 

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Lord Bills is the first "God" to appear in the series. SSJ4 Gogeta is not a god and can't reach the same abilities as bills. Remember what they said in the movie. Just because you power up and become stronger DOES NOT mean you are at God form.
 

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I heard SSj4 Goteta was in a different league from bills.

It was said that ssj4 gogeta is dozens times stronger than ssj4 goku. And I also read that regular vegito is stronger than ssj4 goku.
 

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I heard SSj4 Goteta was in a different league from bills.

It was said that ssj4 gogeta is dozens times stronger than ssj4 goku. And I also read that regular vegito is stronger than ssj4 goku.

Super Saiyan Vegito is at the same league as SSJ4 Gogeta and in reality is much more powerful. Those fusion rings don't allow the "fusee" so to speak ever power down. Vegito is like the Edo tensei of the NV Vegito has unlimited power.
 

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I'd give it to bills because he's a God and he wouldn't defuse after 15 minutes
 

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Lord Bills is the first "God" to appear in the series. SSJ4 Gogeta is not a god and can't reach the same abilities as bills. Remember what they said in the movie. Just because you power up and become stronger DOES NOT mean you are at God form.


Are you kidding? Kami was. His name means "God." Then Goku got stronger then Kami, the guardian of the Earth and had to be trained by king Kai. King Kai was stronger then King Yama who is the "God" of death who judges where souls go. We then find out later King Kai was the god of northern quadrant. Then we got introduced to the Grand Kai who is in charge of them. Then in the Majin Buu saga we met the Supreme Kai's and the Elder Kai. They govern the Quadrants of the universe. Supreme Kai was the ruler of the Eastern Quadrent and Majin Buu killed the other 3 and the Grand Supreme Kai.


Every single one of them are portrayed as "Gods."
"The Kais and Supreme Kais seem to be based on the deities who watch over the cardinal directions in Hindu scriptures (guardians of the directions) and Buddhist faith (Four Heavenly Kings). There are generally four main guardians, sometimes eight, with two additional guardians who govern and protect space, for a total of ten gods (like the Kais and Supreme Kais)."

They are based on real life religions of "gods." You can't discredit them and say they aren't when clearly the manga and the anime say they are.


Which brings me to the point of me typing all of this. Being a God is DBZ means shit!

The Grand Supreme Kai was said to be on par with Kid Buu and 1000 times stronger than Frezia. Goku was about that same power at the end of Z.

Basically SSJ3 Goku was stronger than pretty much every "God" in DBZ until BOTG's was introduced. Then Bills comes along and makes Goku look like a fodder. That doesn't mean Goku was just a mortal and couldn't hurt Bills because he was a "God." Goku was owning gods before Bills was in the picture. Having "God" in your title doesn't mean much in DBZ.

Just like SSJG doesn't mean he now has the powers of an actual God. It is just a name. He just got as strong as a 70% Bills.


Basically the power scaling in GT was insanely ridiculous. Goku in base was fighting evenly with Ubb who was as strong as Majin Buu. Remember in DBZ it took a SSJ3 Goku to fight evenly with him. That means Goku in base in GT was as strong as SSJ3 in DBZ. Now you add SSJ4 to that, + Vegeta as a SSJ4 and get something the likes no one has ever seen in DB.


SS4 Gogeta is way stronger then anything in Z and only Bill fanboys won't admit it.
 

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Lord Bills is the first "God" to appear in the series. SSJ4 Gogeta is not a god and can't reach the same abilities as bills. Remember what they said in the movie. Just because you power up and become stronger DOES NOT mean you are at God form.
Dende is a god
 

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Hmmm, how about Vegito instead of both of them.
 
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