Senjutsu =/= Sage mode

[KingHashirama]

Ok so people are saying that Naruto has this new sage mode.. but sadly no he does not. He simply has senjutsu chakra.

You do not need Sage mode to use Senjutsu chakra, however, you do need Senjutsu chakra to go into Sage mode.

For example, Madara is the one who let us know that Naruto gained Rikudou's senjutsu chakra. And Sasuke gained the rinnegan. However, he also stated he has Rikudou's senjutsu also.

So if Naruto has Sage mode going on, shouldn't Madara show it also? no, because the thing is they have senjutsu chakra. Simply just the chakra. Just like Naruto has 9 different tailed beast chakras inside of him, he also has Ashura's chakra, and he has Rikudou's senjutsu chakra.

So no he did not gain a new sage mode, he simply gained more senjutsu chakra, to be more precise he gained the juubi's nature chakra.

Rikudou's chakra and the juubi's chakra are merged together, hence why he has the horns and etc. And notice that when people do become the Juubi's jinchuriki they have said they have gained the Sage of 6 path's power. Because "rikudou's" power is mixed with the juubi's.


Main point: Naruto does not have a new Sage mode, he simply has Rikudou's senjutsu chakra just like a juubi's jinchuriki. His only sage "mode" is the frog sage mode.

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PS: I know its not that big of a deal, but when people compare "Sage modes" they mention "SO6P sage mode".. when there is no such thing.. lol. That is why i made the thread.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

Yes the thread makes perfect sense and explains the black orbs behind Naruto.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Hm...Sasuke has senjutsu chakra as well?
Plus the sage's senjutsu chakra?

He already had curse mark and all its chakra which is senjutsu plus the sages chakra...does that mean he passively uses senjutsu chakra? Also he has Indra's chakra which would make him complete and the yin yang rinnegan.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hm...Sasuke has senjutsu chakra as well?
Plus the sage's senjutsu chakra?

He already had curse mark and all its chakra which is senjutsu plus the sages chakra...does that mean he passively uses senjutsu chakra? Also he has Indra's chakra which would make him complete and the yin yang rinnegan.

Sasuke has no senjutsu chakra.

The "rinnegan" he obtained from the Sage of the 6 paths, provides its own unique chakra.. just like how a sharingan when unlocked provides a new type of chakra.

 

[Gagster]

If this was true then WHERE DID THE NEW CLOTHES COME FROM?! Can't explain that can you?
And we all know sage mode = new clothes.

 

[KingHashirama]

If this was true then WHERE DID THE NEW CLOTHES COME FROM?! Can't explain that can you?
And we all know sage mode = new clothes.

Sage mode = same old clothes....

He gets new clothes when its related to obtaining more tailed beast chakra.

Also, the new clothes are thanks to the fact he has ASHURA's chakra, + chakra of 9 different tailed beasts..... and of course sage's senjutsu chakra.

 

[Im Still Robin]

Sasuke has no senjutsu chakra.

The "rinnegan" he obtained from the Sage of the 6 paths, provides its own unique chakra.. just like how a sharingan when unlocked provides a new type of chakra.

Jugo gave Sasuke senjutsu chakra at the Uchiha place, he still has curse mark enzymes, jugo's flesh, the sage's chakra himself....Sasuke has senjutsu chakra.

Otherwise that black chidori wouldn't be possible to do so passively.

 

[KingHashirama]

Jugo gave Sasuke senjutsu chakra at the Uchiha place, he still has curse mark enzymes, jugo's flesh, the sage's chakra himself....Sasuke has senjutsu chakra.

Otherwise that black chidori wouldn't be possible to do so passively.

No the "sage's chakra" he has is the reference to the rinnegan. He has the Sage's chakra through the rinnegan.

Do you remember how unlocking a sharingan changes your chakra? and your jutsu become more powerful? its the same concept. But maybe he does have some of senjutsu chakra who knows. But that is irrelevant for this thread.

 

[Im Still Robin]

No the "sage's chakra" he has is the reference to the rinnegan. He has the Sage's chakra through the rinnegan.

Do you remember how unlocking a sharingan changes your chakra? and your jutsu become more powerful? its the same concept. But maybe he does have some of senjutsu chakra who knows. But that is irrelevant for this thread.

Not really, Kishi think of them as a pair and that's how most of you people should start thinking to better understand the characters themselves.

That is also pure speculation on your part, entirely irrelveant and Madara hasn't shown anything like that...also knowing that he already had rinnegan and his lightning was already black.
Sasuke has an entirely different eye which would make his chidori even more different....which isn't. Also that still makes you wrong because how did Sasuke use it at the final valley with one 3 tomoe...that means he could have been using it.

Also when vs Dei he was on his last chakra ropes and the chidori was still the same color...Sasuke used senjutsu chakra at the final valley. Idk how, but he did.

 

[Champ]

Yeah, Madara and Naruto are in Sage mode, Sasuke just has senjutsu

 

[KingHashirama]

Not really, Kishi think of them as a pair and that's how most of you people should start thinking to better understand the characters themselves.

That is also pure speculation on your part, entirely irrelveant and Madara hasn't shown anything like that...also knowing that he already had rinnegan and his lightning was already black.
Sasuke has an entirely different eye which would make his chidori even more different....which isn't. Also that still makes you wrong because how did Sasuke use it at the final valley with one 3 tomoe...that means he could have been using it.

Also when vs Dei he was on his last chakra ropes and the chidori was still the same color...Sasuke used senjutsu chakra at the final valley. Idk how, but he did.

Kishimoto thinks of them as a pair as far as story development and their "phase" goes in where they are in the story.

Sasuke does not have an entirely different eye.. . He has a rinnegan.. how many times does it need to be stated for you guys to understand this? And also as i said he may have some senjutsu chakra.. who knows. But it is not stated in the manga. So no i'm not making a speculation, i am simply letting you know that he doesn't have it in the manga, or he hasn't been stated to have it.

Yeah, Madara and Naruto are in Sage mode, Sasuke just has senjutsu

They are not in Sage mode..

 

[ShiroT]

to start you said naruto merely gained more senjutsu. well why didnt he automatically go into his frog sage mode then? if naruto was just taking in more nature energy then he shouldnt have a different appearance.

now you said he' taking in juubi energy. but that would be the same as taking in nature energy for frog sage. any nature energy that = a new mode/form = a new sage mode. at frog mountain if you learn to take in nature energy there you become a frog sage so the same would be said if you learn to take in narute energy coming off of the juubi(or something similar to that like the power from so6p) then you would be doing the same thing if you was at frog mountain, learning a new sage mode

not to mention if naruto gained power from the so6p, who is a sage, using nature energy, then he is now a stronger sage making his transformation a sage transformation, meaning its a form of sage mode

 

[Im Still Robin]

Kishimoto thinks of them as a pair as far as story development and their "phase" goes in where they are in the story.

Sasuke does not have an entirely different eye.. . He has a rinnegan.. how many times does it need to be stated for you guys to understand this? And also as i said he may have some senjutsu chakra.. who knows. But it is not stated in the manga. So no i'm not making a speculation, i am simply letting you know that he doesn't have it in the manga, or he hasn't been stated to have it.



They are not in Sage mode..

Sage says sharingan Madara and everyone else says rinnegan...I believe the sage himself :|

 

[KingHashirama]

to start you said naruto merely gained more senjutsu. well why didnt he automatically go into his frog sage mode then? if naruto was just taking in more nature energy then he shouldnt have a different appearance.

now you said he' taking in juubi energy. but that would be the same as taking in nature energy for frog sage. any nature energy that = a new mode/form = a new sage mode

not to mention if naruto gained power from the so6p, who is a sage, using nature energy, then he is now a stronger sage making his transformation a sage transformation, meaning its a form of sage mode

Because there is no need to go into sage mode..

Just like how Hashirama's Sage mode disappeared when Madara became the jinchuriki.. because there is no need for a "senjutsu mode".

juubi's senjutsu chakra > Sage mode

Hence why he is not in a Sage mode because there is no need to be in a Sage mode. And also, the Juubi's chakra does not have a Sage mode.. but in result he gains the same orbs as Madara ... and the staff..

 

[Champ]

They are in Sage mode Madara's has it on his chest still with Hashirama face. Naruto has it still with his eyes, but Rikudo power up changed the marking.

 

[ShiroT]

Because there is no need to go into sage mode..

Just like how Hashirama's Sage mode disappeared when Madara became the jinchuriki.. because there is no need for a "senjutsu mode".

juubi's senjutsu chakra > Sage mode

Hence why he is not in a Sage mode because there is no need to be in a Sage mode. And also, the Juubi's chakra does not have a Sage mode.. but in result he gains the same orbs as Madara ... and the staff..

. . . ok .. . i see where your misunderstanding this.
thats like saying curse mark sasuke is not a sage because he was never stated to be a sage but we all know he used senjutsu.

a sage by definition is someone who can use nature energy. read

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for more. so be definition hebi sasuke was a sage regardless of how strong he was, just like juugo. so naruto using any nature energy is a sage like frog sage. anything that uses nature energy is a sage. if it is juubi senjutsu as you explained then by definition since a sage is someone who uses nature energy, and this is the juubi's energy, and on top of that it created a new form, then it is a new sage mode.

 

[Trollasaur]

I like women with big breasts.

 

[ShiroT]

. . . ok .. . i see where your misunderstanding this.
thats like saying curse mark sasuke is not a sage because he was never stated to be a sage but we all know he used senjutsu.

a sage by definition is someone who can use nature energy. read

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for more. so be definition hebi sasuke was a sage regardless of how strong he was, just like juugo. so naruto using any nature energy is a sage like frog sage. anything that uses nature energy is a sage. if it is juubi senjutsu as you explained then by definition since a sage is someone who uses nature energy, and this is the juubi's energy, and on top of that it created a new form, then it is a new sage mode.

incase i didnt make sense im editing it.

a sage by definition is someone who uses nature energy. sasuke and juugo by that definition are sages. naruto used nature energy to use frog sage mode. if naruto is using juubi's chakra(or sages) which is nature energy then he is like i said using nature energy, and by definition he is using a sage mode.

just because it was never given a name doesnt make it not a sage mode

 

[mafo]

So the "SAGE" of the 6 paths does not have "SAGE" mode? WOW. Some threads should never be written. If it does not sound good coming from your mouth don't write it.

 

[KingHashirama]

So the "SAGE" of the 6 paths does not have "SAGE" mode? WOW. Some threads should never be written. If it does not sound good coming from your mouth don't write it.

Hmm.. Nagato was a Sage , without having the Sage mode.. . So what is your point here? I swear before you come spout stuff like this check your stuff first man.

Hashirama was never called a Sage but still had a Sage mode.

incase i didnt make sense im editing it.

a sage by definition is someone who uses nature energy. sasuke and juugo by that definition are sages. naruto used nature energy to use frog sage mode. if naruto is using juubi's chakra(or sages) which is nature energy then he is like i said using nature energy, and by definition he is using a sage mode.

just because it was never given a name doesnt make it not a sage mode

No Sage by definition is someone who has mastery over nature energy. And yes Juugo can be a sage. But Sasuke can't since he can't gather nature energy.

And no Sage mode, is actually a mode.. and as for Rikudou why he was called a "sage" is due to the fact that he was the jinchuriki of Nature energy incarnated..

As I said having senjutsu chakra =/= Sage mode.