Senjutsu = Bijuu

[irishboy9780]

SM=/= Bijuu. Bijuu is clearly stronger. It really depends on character. SM Hashi is beast vs bijuu because of wood tech, whereas SM jiraya/kabuto/naruto would get creamed by a bijuu. SM is very strong and horribly underrated but aside from rinnegan there isn't much in the Naurtoverse that is as strong as a bijuu.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

^^This too

Being able to suppress a bijuus chakra doesn't mean you are stronger than the bijuu.

Mito's chakra can tame the kyuubi too

I already dropped this point, it was dumb. It was honestly irrelevant though as Naruto and Sasuke's clashes are enough to suggest that the Bijuu chakra Sasuke took was around on par with the Senjutsu chakra Kurama gave Naruto. Anyways, explained this in another post, but RSM Kyuubi's strongest attack stalemated Rinnegan Susanoo's strongest attack, after this the Bijuu enhanced Susanoo stalemated the further Senjutsu enhanced Kyuubi. Ultimately it's the exact same situation that we had in Naruto and Sasuke's first fight at the valley, but on a much, much larger scale with roles reversed. It's also the same situation from Madara and Hashirama's fight but on a larger scale with more equivalent combatants.

Anyways, it's really just a comparison of gimme power-up vs gimme power-up that I saw being argued ad nauseam the other day, and I just don't understand why people are hung up over which had an advantage as they cancelled each other out and the meaningful part of the fight doesn't start until after this filler flex off.

 

[KingHashirama]

they aren't whiskers.. they scars.

 

[V h o]

This sort of does not make sense.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

This sort of does not make sense.

Thread was half-baked, to be honest, don't plan on editing it as I just don't care enough. If you, or anyone else, want read post #23 for a bit of an expansion on my thought process regarding this.

 

[Transcendence]

I thought this was... obvious? Naruto took in the nature energy to combat Sasuke taking in the Bijuu. The manga made that clear.

 

[VongolaX]

I already dropped this point, it was dumb. It was honestly irrelevant though as Naruto and Sasuke's clashes are enough to suggest that the Bijuu chakra Sasuke took was around on par with the Senjutsu chakra Kurama gave Naruto. Anyways, explained this in another post, but RSM Kyuubi's strongest attack stalemated Rinnegan Susanoo's strongest attack, after this the Bijuu enhanced Susanoo stalemated the further Senjutsu enhanced Kyuubi. Ultimately it's the exact same situation that we had in Naruto and Sasuke's first fight at the valley, but on a much, much larger scale with roles reversed. It's also the same situation from Madara and Hashirama's fight but on a larger scale with more equivalent combatants.

Surprisingly enough, they should be accurately even.

RSM naruto has all nine bijuu chakra already, the kyuubi was just replenishing the senjustu power for naruto.

Sasuke took the same amount of chakra piece RSM naruto contained from bijuus one through eight.

But Sasuke had his Susanoo energy on top of that to edge naruto.

Naruto was smart to throw his Senpou yin yang Rasenshuuriken as a response for equal power and a wind element Rasenshuuriken in front.

Because we all know that wind>>>lightning.

(The basics)

 

[Demonic.]

For senjutsu it all depends on the user
SM hashirama would spank any bijuu with the easiest of difficulties
Whereas SM naruto or SM Jiraiya get pasted by a single TBB

This here.

 

[Transcendence]

Surprisingly enough, they should be accurately even.

RSM naruto has all nine bijuu chakra already, the kyuubi was just replenishing the senjustu power for naruto.

Sasuke took the same amount of chakra piece RSM naruto contained from bijuus one through eight.

But Sasuke had his Susanoo energy on top of that to edge naruto.

Naruto was smart to throw his Senpou yin yang Rasenshuuriken as a response for equal power and a wind element Rasenshuuriken in front.

Because we all know that wind>>>lightning.

(The basics)

All assumptions.

 

[VongolaX]

All assumptions.

Sh*tty retort, considering that every part of that happened.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Senjutsu has always been more advantageous ever since Naruto managed to tame Kurama. But you're a bit mistaken.

Senjutsu is the Ashura counterpart to Indra's MS. :yeah:

BSM =/= RSM therefore, EMS = BSM, the thing is SM varies depending on the user but MS remains consistent. :erm:

The bijuu are meant to level the playing field in case any of them is stronger than the other. Hence why both Naruto and Sasuke were able to use bijuu's chakra in the final fight.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

SM=/= Bijuu. Bijuu is clearly stronger. It really depends on character. SM Hashi is beast vs bijuu because of wood tech, whereas SM jiraya/kabuto/naruto would get creamed by a bijuu. SM is very strong and horribly underrated but aside from rinnegan there isn't much in the Naurtoverse that is as strong as a bijuu.

Wrong. Hashirama's mokuton was powerful because of SM U_U

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Senjutsu is not greater than Kyuubi, unless you're assuming Madara's Iso Susanoo was greater than Hashirama's Mokuton. Shinsuusenju was destroyed, if it outright demolished Susanoo and incapacitated Kyuubi, while still standing, I'd agree. Though the point of the thread is that Senjutsu is deeply underrated when used by people with monstrous chakra reserves like Naruto and Hashirama. I didn't feel the need to go into the nitty gritty regarding it. Going back to part 1, every time Senjutsu and Bijuu chakra have clashed in the manga with users roughly on par, they have cancelled each other out.



Nice opinion.



EDITED OP: Did a terrible job of getting my point across, so I adjusted it.

Senjutsu IS greater. You forget the bijuu are made of senjutsu (hagoromo's chakra). And the closer your chakra is to Hagoromo the stronger your senjutsu becomes. Therefore Naruto's senjutsu > Kyuubi chakra. There's a reason Uzumaki's compatibility defies the claims made by Rin's kidnappers, Sand and Lightning village.. Unlike the other villages Uzumaki had someone with chakra strong enough to supress Kurama's chakra every generation.

 

[Rikodou Mode]

For senjutsu it all depends on the user
SM hashirama would spank any bijuu with the easiest of difficulties
Whereas SM naruto or SM Jiraiya get pasted by a single TBB

LOL, SM Naruto shits on bijuu. How do you think he prevented Kurama from taking over his body ? And you're comparing a 16yr old Naruto to a Prime Hashirama with years of experience..

 

[xxSAGExx]

They were equal because Naruto used most of his power against Kaguya and Naruto wasn't using the other Bijuu's abilites. Yang BM is stronger than EMS and BSM is even more as Sasuke's jealousy shows and the fact that Naruto was at less than half or at half his BM chakra reserve whenever Naruto went BSM which Sasuke was being shown to be even to, so full power Naruto would be stronger their.

Now let's add in their other powerups: Sasuke got Hashirama's cells from Kabuto which increases stamina, chakra, increase healing (as that's why it was being used), and power up Jutsus (like with KA), got some chakra from Hashirama, got Rinnegan from the Sage. Naruto lost Yang Kurama but gain Yin Kurama, gain access to Rikudo senjutsu, and gain access to the other 8 Bijuu's abilities.

Now if you took both fighters and made them full power, Naruto would win since Sasuke did use a lot of chakra but said chakra does not equal to the amount Naruto used. Also Naruto would have access to all of the abilities he had prior to the fight with Sasuke that he didn't use and would have all of his truth seeking balls. Both are still new to their power but DB said Naruto gain knowledg of chakra with his RM so you can say Naruto could learn to use his power in battle which he already was doing against Madara and Kaguya as Sasuke would with his Rinnegan.

 

[irishboy9780]

Wrong. Hashirama's mokuton was powerful because of SM U_U

naw. it was beast w/o sm, just becomes stronger with it.