Senju Used To Be > Uchiha But Has That Changed Overtime?

[ethan201222]

In the beginning, it seemed the Senju like Hashirama and Tobirama had a slight edge over the Uchihas along with their Senju comrades. These two clans were fairly even back then but with the Senju having slight advantage. However, it seems as the official Senju have disappeared from clear sight which I guess they either intermarried with other clans and what not, but now the Uchiha are superior again. The only current clear Senju is Tsunade and she has no chance against the current Uchiha of her time such as Obito, Sasuke and Itachi when he was alive.

It may be that we may think Uchiha > Senju now because the only current Uchiha we have alive at the moment all at least have Mangekyo Sharingan and they do not represent the average Uchiha member with a simple sharingan.

Point is, has the Senju or their descendants of the will of fire fallen from the ability to make an equal stand with the Uchiha and beat the Uchihas compared to the past?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

It was never stated that one clan was stronger then the other.
If so then one of these clans would of been gone a long time ago.
They were eternal rivals.They both defeated other clans and integrated them into their owns.
The fighting only stopped once both clans came to a truce.

 

[ethan201222]

It was never stated that one clan was stronger then the other.
If so then one of these clans would of been gone a long time ago.
They were eternal rivals.They both defeated other clans and integrated them into their owns.

That's why i said slightly and i only said that because of Hashirama beating their best ever Uchiha Madara. Nonetheless, the Senju back then had a better chance dealing with the Uchihas than the current generation does now.

 

[warlee]

What Deadmanwonderland said next time read the manga very well.

 

[Cambria]

I don't believe Itachi or Sasuke could beat Tsunade one on one. Together, no doubt, but they'd be hurting desperate. Even if they did win, they won't just casually walk away from that fight. Tsunade's better than people think. Just because she's medical-nin. Her being a med-nin would help tremendously. Yin seal release is almost immortality, for a short period. Inflicting fatal blows to her would be more difficult than getting any other character. If you do hit one, it regenerates instantly. She would likely die as a result of the fight, as well, but you make it sound like she'd sit there and let Itachi and/or Sasuke monkey slap her, and she'd be oh so helpless. Just because she doesn't have a silly, ridiculously portioned technique doesn't mean she's not capable. You don't have to have a ludicrously in probable attack to win. Actually getting sick of these OP techniques. Enourmas, flashy, and carroonish. Tsunade doesn't rely on gimmicks. She just beats they asses. Like a school child.

 

[YellowFang]

Uchiha lived to the day today... One can never know how Senju would have developed themselves...
P.S.
Uchiha still are a clan while Senju became a village(divided into many clans)

 

[Cambria]

What I'm trying to say is this;

In a prison fight, Tsunade solos both Uchiha brothers with no effort. In a contest of who has the dumbest, huge, improbable jutsu, Susano'o takes it every time.

 

[ethan201222]

I don't believe Itachi or Sasuke could beat Tsunade one on one. Together, no doubt, but they'd be hurting desperate. Even if they did win, they won't just casually walk away from that fight. Tsunade's better than people think. Just because she's medical-nin. Her being a med-nin would help tremendously. Yin seal release is almost immortality, for a short period. Inflicting fatal blows to her would be more difficult than getting any other character. If you do hit one, it regenerates instantly. She would likely die as a result of the fight, as well, but you make it sound like she'd sit there and let Itachi and/or Sasuke monkey slap her, and she'd be oh so helpless. Just because she doesn't have a silly, ridiculously portioned technique doesn't mean she's not capable. You don't have to have a ludicrously in probable attack to win. Actually getting sick of these OP techniques. Enourmas, flashy, and carroonish. Tsunade doesn't rely on gimmicks. She just beats they asses. Like a school child.

I like Tsunade a lot and she can perhaps rock the Susano with brute strength but how could she handle Amaterasu?

 

[warlee]

Because hashirama beat madara doesn't mean senju > uchiha just that hashirama > madara. Just because onoiki>tsunade doesn't mean iwagakure>konoha.

 

[Tennis Robot]

It only changed when the Uchiha got Senju DNA. Without that, Madara and Obito would both be dead

 

[Cambria]

If all it took was a meager ameterasu, why hasn't Madara just done that? She clearly has a viable defense, or way to survive. Who knows, maybe Katsuya helps? The fact that nobody randomly solo'd her with black flames leads on to assume there is a reason. And plot no jutsu is just an excuse to not acknowledge practical logic.

She doesn't need retarded OP techniques. That's getting out of hand. Next, Madara starts pulling super novas from all over the multi verse, and brings it all down on his opponent with absolutely no energy loss, or fatigue. With these cartoonish attacks, I'd be willing to bet that Madara drops an ACME piano on Madara's head, and then runs off kicking up a dirt cloud as he left.

 

[Honord Sage]

Majority of front line soldiers fighting in the Ninja wars were Senju, so you get high loses on the Senju side, Majority of Uchiha were in the village police so less lost of life.

 

[Champ]

Actually it was never stated Uchiha > Senju or Senju > Uchiha, but if we go with all the Uchiha's we know now they'll surely own any clan. Plus they have the Juubi on there side.

 

[ethan201222]

Because hashirama beat madara doesn't mean senju > uchiha just that hashirama > madara. Just because onoiki>tsunade doesn't mean iwagakure>konoha.

Yea that's true too but I was just bringing up the comparison of the two strongest clan members of each clan.

 

[sasuke007]

they got soft, the traing is much different since the founding of konoha then it was in hashirama's time

 

[Cambria]

Why is it that Itachi fanboys have only 1 remark, or comeback in any debate? No matter the topic, it's always "ameterasu!". Like;

" It'd be interesting to see what Sage could do."
Fanboy: " But ameterasu..."

"Itachi has absolutely no chakra left."
Fanboy: "so? Ameterasu?".

Yeah, that's cool.... Tell me, what if one Uchiha uses flames on another Uchiha? According to all you fan boys, the technique is the end all. Nobody can dodge, stop, or survive. If an uchiha even thinks about maybe using flames at some point in time, opponent dies. Unstoppable force, huh? And Uchiha are unmovable, as far as you are concerened, right? Does the universe cease to exist if an Uchiha uses it on another Uchiha?

All I'm saying is get real. If you don't want to make any kind of sense, then don't speak. It's as simple as that. We're all very aware of how powerful, and useful the technique is. Especially in Sasuke's case. I love both of their characters, and I'm not too fnd of Tsunade. But Ameterasu hasn't killed anybody yet. Sure, out of luck a couple of times, but not always. As powerful and versatile as it is, it is NOT perfect. Period. End of story.

Lemme guess your comeback...... Is it, "but derrrrrrrrrka *wipes droll off mouth, and readjusts helmet* black flames derka derrrrr!" Am I right? Of course I am.

 

[ethan201222]

It only changed when the Uchiha got Senju DNA. Without that, Madara and Obito would both be dead

Yes that's true that's when they began getting overpowered altho Sasuke and Itachi are still strong without Senju DNA.

 

[ethan201222]

If all it took was a meager ameterasu, why hasn't Madara just done that? She clearly has a viable defense, or way to survive. Who knows, maybe Katsuya helps? The fact that nobody randomly solo'd her with black flames leads on to assume there is a reason. And plot no jutsu is just an excuse to not acknowledge practical logic.

She doesn't need retarded OP techniques. That's getting out of hand. Next, Madara starts pulling super novas from all over the multi verse, and brings it all down on his opponent with absolutely no energy loss, or fatigue. With these cartoonish attacks, I'd be willing to bet that Madara drops an ACME piano on Madara's head, and then runs off kicking up a dirt cloud as he left.

As people say plot no jutsu, amaterasu...i would like to think Tsunade a has a defense for it and i DON'T understand why Madara never used other MS techniques on the five kages to show how they could react to them and show us some more counters.

 

[ethan201222]

Why is it that Itachi fanboys have only 1 remark, or comeback in any debate? No matter the topic, it's always "ameterasu!". Like;

" It'd be interesting to see what Sage could do."
Fanboy: " But ameterasu..."

"Itachi has absolutely no chakra left."
Fanboy: "so? Ameterasu?".

Yeah, that's cool.... Tell me, what if one Uchiha uses flames on another Uchiha? According to all you fan boys, the technique is the end all. Nobody can dodge, stop, or survive. If an uchiha even thinks about maybe using flames at some point in time, opponent dies. Unstoppable force, huh? And Uchiha are unmovable, as far as you are concerened, right? Does the universe cease to exist if an Uchiha uses it on another Uchiha?

All I'm saying is get real. If you don't want to make any kind of sense, then don't speak. It's as simple as that. We're all very aware of how powerful, and useful the technique is. Especially in Sasuke's case. I love both of their characters, and I'm not too fnd of Tsunade. But Ameterasu hasn't killed anybody yet. Sure, out of luck a couple of times, but not always. As powerful and versatile as it is, it is NOT perfect. Period. End of story.

Lemme guess your comeback...... Is it, "but derrrrrrrrrka *wipes droll off mouth, and readjusts helmet* black flames derka derrrrr!" Am I right? Of course I am.

First of all i have no favorite characters and it is simply annoying to have a hard time thinking how some characters can beat these MS users because of overpowered techniques like amaterasu, susano, and tsukiyumi or whatever. I just doubt a character can beat someone with a MS because I think about how they could counter each MS technique. If it wasn't for such op MS techniques I could see more characters beating the Uchihas. Not a fanboy of anyone and never will be......

 

[zesto]

In the beginning, it seemed the Senju like Hashirama and Tobirama had a slight edge over the Uchihas along with their Senju comrades. These two clans were fairly even back then but with the Senju having slight advantage. However, it seems as the official Senju have disappeared from clear sight which I guess they either intermarried with other clans and what not, but now the Uchiha are superior again. The only current clear Senju is Tsunade and she has no chance against the current Uchiha of her time such as Obito, Sasuke and Itachi when he was alive.

It may be that we may think Uchiha > Senju now because the only current Uchiha we have alive at the moment all at least have Mangekyo Sharingan and they do not represent the average Uchiha member with a simple sharingan.

Point is, has the Senju or their descendants of the will of fire fallen from the ability to make an equal stand with the Uchiha and beat the Uchihas compared to the past?

I HATE THIS THREAD, ITS SO DISRESPECTFUL. Sasuke cannot defeat Tsunade nor no way in power. Tsunade went up against 5 SUSANOO CLONES 5 FOR GOD SAKES and destroyed them. Itachi cant even maintain susanoo for a long period compare to BYAKUGOU. 1 susanois no match for her. if both brothers should team up then i can understand they could or would win but leaved in a helpless state.

YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT Itachi or SASUKE UCHIHA CAN BEAT THIS WOMAN

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its a travesty listening to you uchiha fanboys.