[Theory] Senju / Uchiha feud caused by Izanami?

[Tec]

Little bit farfetched but what manga story or theory isn't.

Theory 1: My thoughts are. Is it possible the So6p used some form of Izanami (obviously much greater than Itachi's) on one (most likely the Uchiha son) or both. So that their generations are doomed to suffer their fight, until they find a way to make peace?

It has been said many times that it is the destiny / fate for Senju to fight Uchiha and so on. This could have been decided by the So6P if he realised that his sons would never get on peacefully.

Theory 2 : The Uchiha son used it on the Senju son possibly before dying as a curse to him. or as an attempt to force the Senju son to make the Uchiha son the So6P successor.

Thoughts?

 

[Scooby Doo]

I dont think thats the case.The so6p wouldnt do that.

 

[Sir Blades]

sounds interesting but not likely.

 

[UzumakiXNaruto]

Amazing! lol

 

[The Necromancer]

It is interesting... like an eternal izanami that can span a hundred generations... hmm.

 

[Prime Rib]

nah even if so itachi,shisui had no ill towards the senju. espacially itachi who sacrficed his clan for the senju village lol

 

[-The Agent-]

I understand where you got that from. But I don't think the Sage would want his sons to fight in order to have peace. Or else he wouldn't have made the younger son his successor.

 

[Akuma]

I dont think thats the case.The so6p wouldnt do that.

Why not?


OT: Could be, has some racional points. ^^

 

[Gdamon]

that would be epic...

although i doubt it...

 

[Tec]

I dont think thats the case.The so6p wouldnt do that.

we don't know that much about him.

 

[soggysombrero]

i really like this theory ! the uchihas have always been sore losers!

 

[Aze]

i really like this theory ! the uchihas have always been sore losers!

That's not true , there have been good people among the Uchihas.

But Uchihas command of Honor is that so much more strickt than that of hyuugas or Senjus.

They honor their bloodline :scorps:

 

[leafeater]

The feud was caused by the two clans constantly having to oppose each other in battle - according to Tobi anyway. The Uchiha and Senju were to the two elite clans, and the only ones that could oppose the other. In order to win you had to hire the Uchiha/Senju, and in order to avoid losing you had to hire the Senju/Uchiha - thus they repeatedly opposed each other in battle. This repeated fighting made trust with each other difficult once Konoha was founded.

What further complicated matters with Uchiha Madara (Uchiha clan leader) was that his brother gave (or Madara took) his eyes to a blind MS Madara. Further, the fighting ended not long after that and Izuna's death, causing Madara to question what the sacrifice of Izuna was for.

Based on what Kishi has given us, which is a very basic and reasonable explanation, this accounts for the source of the difficulties between the two clans. Not to say that they weren't compounded by further actions such as Tobirama assigning the Uchiha as the main components of the Konoha military police. I'm not sure how they felt about that, aside from what Tobi said, which wasn't good. It had nothing to do with Izanami as far as I can discern (based on the manga), granted we'll never know for sure unless Kishi says so. Until then, it's always much more likely to accept the simplest presented explanation from Kishi via characters' dialogues/monologues (i.e. think Occam's Razor).

Peace

 

[p0002q]

The so6p chose the younger "senju" side to rule instead of the uchiha side....

that spawned the hatred and war passed down for generations...

 

[Tec]

The feud was caused by the two clans constantly having to oppose each other in battle - according to Tobi anyway.

Peace

Tobi lies.

 

[cyco22]

sounds intersting

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Tobi lies.

Tobi tends to bend the truth...slightly. He rarely lies flat out about something. Most of his lies are base on the truth. Plus, the story of the SO6P is legendary and everyone in the manga seems to already know something about the SO6P stories.

 

[leafeater]

Tobi lies.

Tobi lies some of the time, not all the time. Key difference. Demonstrate he lied about this, and you may counter the argument.

Questioning his credibility in general has already been accounted for in my argument (which you quoted, in part. lol), so you're response, which I quoted, does not really add anything of import or relevance; rather, it's just redundant. Nor does it detract from my argument anymore than I already accounted for. Thus, the burden of proof remains on you.

Peace

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Little bit farfetched but what manga story or theory isn't.

Theory 1: My thoughts are. Is it possible the So6p used some form of Izanami (obviously much greater than Itachi's) on one (most likely the Uchiha son) or both. So that their generations are doomed to suffer their fight, until they find a way to make peace?

It has been said many times that it is the destiny / fate for Senju to fight Uchiha and so on. This could have been decided by the So6P if he realised that his sons would never get on peacefully.

Theory 2 : The Uchiha son used it on the Senju son possibly before dying as a curse to him. or as an attempt to force the Senju son to make the Uchiha son the So6P successor.
Thoughts?

You do NOT understand how Izanami works...



Theory #1: Izanami is an ETERNAL LOOP inside ONE PERSONS MIND. It continuously replays the same sinerio (location and time) until the desired "destiny" is fulfilled. Are you telling me we are watching an Izanami that was starting from the time of the Sage?!?

Izanami could never be done over GENERATIONS unless the Sage prepped hundreds of years for the Izanami to replay. "Time" doesnt continue in Izanami past the loop... so if we are "watching the sages izanami" right now he would have lived past this point in the current manga.. IMPOSSIBLE. Kabuto is currently replaying the same scene over and over in izanami, not continueing into the "future". #Fail

Theory #2: If the 1st Son did Izanami on the 2nd Son to get him to force the Senju to make the Uchiha lineage the SO6P the successor... this makes no sense. How could the Senju do this, wouldnt it just be verbal? They split up the family so there never truly can be a "family" successor any more b/c their family split after the Sage. I do not understand what you mean by this... successor of the Rinnegan maybe???






-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage

 

[deadp00l]

Little bit farfetched but what manga story or theory isn't.

Theory 1: My thoughts are. Is it possible the So6p used some form of Izanami (obviously much greater than Itachi's) on one (most likely the Uchiha son) or both. So that their generations are doomed to suffer their fight, until they find a way to make peace?

It has been said many times that it is the destiny / fate for Senju to fight Uchiha and so on. This could have been decided by the So6P if he realised that his sons would never get on peacefully.

Theory 2 : The Uchiha son used it on the Senju son possibly before dying as a curse to him. or as an attempt to force the Senju son to make the Uchiha son the So6P successor.

Thoughts?

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