Senju Tobirama vs Kakuzu

[Tobby17]

First off Kakuzu isn't destroying any marks, Tobirama still used Hiraishin despite Obito blowing up the flow with 4 juubi damas

second, Domu isn't tanking the edo tensei explosion. If you think hardening your body will protect you from an explosion that blows up chunks of the earth and also Hashirama's wood gates, then you need to do some serious rethinking

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not entirealy sure what Gojo is ..but if its that exploding power its just a bunch of paper bombs correct? Domu tanks it The higher quantity of paper bombs is not making it any more destructive, it merely enhances the range.

lmao, come on bro. You can't really believe this.....You are basically saying 1 Paper Bomb=Gojo Kibakufuda. You are basically saying 1 Paper Bomb=100000 Paper Bombs in power.

 

[blazekev90]

Lol Wrong bro >.>



Oh but i am, you fans have to sit there and hype his durability because without the wank he's pitiful XD XD

Lol that's funny seeing as you mention Domu tanking every offensive attack. Orochimaru fans mentioning his durability is no different than you constantly mentioning "domu tanks"

The fact remains, Orochimaru having shown little to.no jutsu is a tier above Kakuzu. Orochimaru has always been matched against shinobi w/o Edo, what does that tell you? Lol who's really pitful? Kakuzu having shown all his abilities being put against someone having only used two, one beibg restricted lol

As i said eariler, Kakuzu loses rather easily.

 

[Shura]

No, it can't. Show me a scan of it's destructive powers against ninja, not trees.

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Yes, it can. Atsugai ripped apart trees like it was nothing. The only reason why Hidan and Kakashi survived it is because the former was immortal and had a special body while the latter had the Sharingan and was close to the Fūton Yūrei which allowed him to avoid the blast by simply predicting the attack and ducking down in order to avoid it. Kakuzu, himself, already stated that the only reason Kakashi managed to avoid the attack was due to his Sharingan.

The databook already described Atsugai as an attack that is unpredictable and it's power was said to be on par with a natural disaster. Tobirama definitely isn't tanking such an attack. Considering the area of effect of the Atsugai, it is doubtful that Tobirama will have Hiraishin marks placed out of this area, considering that he never really does spam these markings, so teleporting to a mark would result in him getting hit again.

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Despite the fact that both Shikamaru and Choji were behing the blast, both of them got pushed back by the Atsugai, which also happened to create a huge smoke cloud. [

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] Tobirama's sensory capabilities won't help him to anticipate the attack, considering that sensors are unable to sense if they are fighting at the moment. [

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] He won't see the attack coming at all and that would result in the Atsugai hitting him and knocking him out, if not killing him. There is also the fact that it was stated that Atsugai is powerful enough to gouge the earth.

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Even if Tobirama does not get knocked out or killed by some miracle, he will need some time to regain his senses, allowing Kakuzu to finish him right there and quickly.
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[deadp00l]

How are people stating that FTG seals can be destroyed? Tobirama could still use FTG after 4 Juubidama & the Shinju had decimated the landscape.

Again, Kakuzu may be able to tank Domu but his hearts lack such ability and once it comes down to just Kakuzu & Tobirama, Tobirama wins; if they engage in CQC, he easily tags him and if he uses Domu to tank any other attacks, it stops his mobility which easily allows Tobirama to tag him.

Furthermore, Tobirama doesn't have to tag his Shadow Clones, he can easily tag himself and then create Kage Bunshin which would mean any Shadow Clones he creates already have the seal on them.

obito protected himself from the juubi damas I hope you weren't under the impression that marks can tank juubi damas lol

Hiraishin marks haven't been shown to be replicated by cloning so no

 

[Tobby17]

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Yes, it can. Atsugai ripped apart trees like it was nothing. The only reason why Hidan and Kakashi survived it is because the former was immortal and had a special body while the latter had the Sharingan and was close to the Fūton Yūrei which allowed him to avoid the blast by simply predicting the attack and ducking down in order to avoid it. Kakuzu, himself, already stated that the only reason Kakashi managed to avoid the attack was due to his Sharingan.

The databook already described Atsugai as an attack that is unpredictable and it's power was said to be on par with a natural disaster. Tobirama definitely isn't tanking such an attack. Considering the area of effect of the Atsugai, it is doubtful that Tobirama will have Hiraishin marks placed out of this area, considering that he never really does spam these markings, so teleporting to a mark would result in him getting hit again.

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Despite the fact that both Shikamaru and Choji were behing the blast, both of them got pushed back by the Atsugai, which also happened to create a huge smoke cloud. [

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] Tobirama's sensory capabilities won't help him to anticipate the attack, considering that sensors are unable to sense if they are fighting at the moment. [

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] He won't see the attack coming at all and that would result in the Atsugai hitting him and knocking him out, if not killing him. There is also the fact that it was stated that Atsugai is powerful enough to gouge the earth.

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Even if Tobirama does not get knocked out or killed by some miracle, he will need some time to regain his senses, allowing Kakuzu to finish him right there and quickly.
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nope you're wrong, Tobirama can pretty much avoid this without having to use FTG, and he can sense while fighting..

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He could sense naruto even while active

 

[Shura]

nope you're wrong, Tobirama can pretty much avoid this without having to use FTG, and he can sense while fighting..

He could sense naruto even while active

No, Tobirama cannot avoid shit without his Hiraishin. Also, you just proved that Tobirama cannot sense while fighting, thanks. Notice how he says ''Even IF I'm able to sense Naruto, it won't do me any good'.​

 

[Touken]

No, Tobirama cannot avoid shit without his Hiraishin. Also, you just proved that Tobirama cannot sense while fighting, thanks. Notice how he says ''Even IF I'm able to sense Naruto, it won't do me any good'.​

lol, you can make such clear inferences from that statement but I won't go on from that considering NB are for some reason against inferences.

Anyway, Muu's an ordinary sensor and yet:

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[NarutoIndra]

lol, you can make such clear inferences from that statement but I won't go on from that considering NB are for some reason against inferences.

Anyway, Muu's an ordinary sensor and yet:

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Mu was in the air but still lmao... Molding chakra and not moving=Remaining still.

 

[Touken]

Mu was in the air but still lmao... Molding chakra and not moving=Remaining still.

The only requirements needed to sense is kneading/molding chakra. There's nothing said about remaining still.

 

[Tobby17]

No, Tobirama cannot avoid shit without his Hiraishin. Also, you just proved that Tobirama cannot sense while fighting, thanks. Notice how he says ''Even IF I'm able to sense Naruto, it won't do me any good'.​

like I said, Kakashi dodged that shxt without Hiraishin, nothing implies Tobirama can't

yes he can sense while fighting, the statement means he can sense Naruto but it's still useless, because there are too many branches and they kept regrowing. Plus he was running towards Naruto he obv knew where Naruto was and was sensing him.. smh trying to change the sentence into something else

 

[Penguin]

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Yes, it can. Atsugai ripped apart trees like it was nothing. The only reason why Hidan and Kakashi survived it is because the former was immortal and had a special body while the latter had the Sharingan and was close to the Fūton Yūrei which allowed him to avoid the blast by simply predicting the attack and ducking down in order to avoid it.​

I will acknowledge that Hidan has a more sturdy body that regular ninja, but if this attack couldn't even hurt Hidan....or phase Kakashi...well it blows. Kakashi "ducking" shouldn't save him from a natural disaster. That is the DB overhyping a jutsu.

]Kakuzu, himself, already stated that the only reason Kakashi managed to avoid the attack was due to his Sharingan.

Tobirama's sensing + reflexes > Kakashi's 3T prediction.

The databook already described Atsugai as an attack that is unpredictable and it's power was said to be on par with a natural disaster. Tobirama definitely isn't tanking such an attack. Considering the area of effect of the Atsugai, it is doubtful that Tobirama will have Hiraishin marks placed out of this area, considering that he never really does spam these markings, so teleporting to a mark would result in him getting hit again.

That's cool and all. But Kakashi predicted the unpredictable attack. And the attack is not killing Tobirama if it did not leave a scratch on Hidan.

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Despite the fact that both Shikamaru and Choji were behing the blast, both of them got pushed back by the Atsugai, which also happened to create a huge smoke cloud. [

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] Tobirama's sensory capabilities won't help him to anticipate the attack, considering that sensors are unable to sense if they are fighting at the moment. [

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][

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] He won't see the attack coming at all and that would result in the Atsugai hitting him and knocking him out, if not killing him. There is also the fact that it was stated that Atsugai is powerful enough to gouge the earth.

Don't compare Shee and those three Pain's to Tobirama. Tell me a time when Shee has had a great sensing feat such as Tobirama. That is like saying Kakashi has as good of sharingan genjutsu as Itachi in 3T because they both have 3T.

Even if Tobirama does not get knocked out or killed by some miracle, he will need some time to regain his senses, allowing Kakuzu to finish him right there and quickly.

As an edo, he got cut in half by Juubito and immediately reacted without hesitation. There won't be enough time for Kakuzu to blitz him after Tobirama gets thrown back by the Fuuton.