Senju susanoo, or strange 9 tails cloak?

[Apexx]

Its a chakra cloack of ashuras chakra, formed to counter against susanoo.

But I don't get why it has a TBB?

It may not be a TBB because TBs were not created yet.

It could be like a rasengan of positive black chakras and negative white chakras.

That would be ironic because Minato used TBB as inspiration for rasengan, when it turns out TBs used Ashura's rasengan like jutsu for inspiration.

 

[ANiMUS]

I think he was a jinchuuriki, but its resembles a human more than the bijuu because all the bijuu were children at that time.
Whatever it is its bijuu centric thanks to the Kurama whiskers and bijuudama (only the Sage can use omnyodon), that much is obvious.

 

[Itachi Uchiwa]

i'd say it's more of a humanoid form of the bijuu chackra , kyuubi's to be precise.

i'd say ashura copied the idea of the susanoo and instead of forming the chackra in the fox form he chose to stabilize the chakra into a humanoid looking form.

based on :

1- humanoid body but if you focus on the head you will find the upper jaw of a fox and his eyes as well as the pointed up ears , doubled .. instead of a helmet..

2- biju dama ... biju damaa everywhere in his hands.

3- the biju chakra mode that naruto goes in resembles to this shape a lot .. in a fox shape

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It may not be a TBB because TBs were not created yet.

It could be like a rasengan of positive black chakras and negative white chakras.

That would be ironic because Minato used TBB as inspiration for rasengan, when it turns out TBs used Ashura's rasengan like jutsu for inspiration.

Or it could be omnyonton. It's hard to believe something only about as big as a V3 susanoo could match PS unless those orbs are ridiculously powerful.

 

[Draphsin]

I think it's a form of susanoo fused with a BM avatar.

 

[Apexx]

If it were then Naruto would be capable of it too as would many others.

Several people are capable of Susanoo yet no one else has shown anything similar to that form but Naruto's BM.

Also Minato uses a similar form too Naruto when using the 9 tails.

I think its a more evolved BM that Ashura could manipulate.

BM is just manifestation of chakara to form an avatar.

Maybe Ashura just had a large enough chakara reserve to create that susanoo like avatar.

 

[Apexx]

Or it could be omnyonton. It's hard to believe something only about as big as a V3 susanoo could match PS unless those orbs are ridiculously powerful.

True, proof of his hard work as he is able to use that when it requires so many nature transformations.

 

[saw2097]

BM is just manifestation of chakara to form an avatar.

Maybe Ashura just had a large enough chakara reserve to create that susanoo like avatar.

BM is a manifestation of Kurama's chakra melded with the users, it is unique to Kurama, as when any TB but Kurama or the Ten Tails are used in a Jin, they take on a physical form. Naruto is the reincarnation of the Younger Son then he should have all of his potential, he should be able to use this avatar as well without Kurama.

That's part of what makes me thinks its a evolved BM.
As should others, don't forget that several in the Uchiha clan can use Susanoo, but the Younger Son is the only one to show this avatar.

 

[KidGamer65]

That was before the Sage died, after he died something clearly happened to them. My theory is that they were equal when the Sage died, but when he made the Younger Son his successor he entrusted him with the Tailed beasts, that may have led to the Elder Son developing new powers to fight him with.

I highly doubt that was the case. There isn't even much supporting this since all that is stated is Ashura's chakra bloomed and he gained power (His Battle Avatar) equal to his brother's (Perfect Susanoo) Its never said that he gained the powers of all 9 Bijuu and then Indra gained another power after Ashura gained the Bijuu.

We never found out what people mean when they say he made Ashura his successor.

Successor to Ninshuu pretty much means that its his job to

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. It doesn't have anything to do with gaining power.

I agree with you, but regardless, there is the possibility that it is a biju mode and Hagoromo was merely saying that he equaled him before Indra got PS. However, it is not likely.

Yeah, anything's possible, but I agree its not likely.

 

[saw2097]

I highly doubt that was the case. There isn't even much supporting this since all that is stated is Ashura's chakra bloomed and he gained power (His Battle Avatar) equal to his brother's (Perfect Susanoo) Its never said that he gained the powers of all 9 Bijuu and then Indra gained another power after Ashura gained the Bijuu.




Successor to Ninshuu pretty much means that its his job to

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. It doesn't have anything to do with gaining power.

Then why would the Elder Son be so angry over not being chosen, from that stand point, its basically more of an honorary title. I doubt the Sage lorded over the people, he just traveled around spreading his beliefs and inventing ninshou.

Yet when the Elder son wasn't chosen he was so outraged that he betrayed and attempted to kill his own brother.


And that hatred and rage spread to his family lineage and became the Curse of Hatred.

 

[Penguin]

100% Kurama.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Then why would the Elder Son be so angry over not being chosen, from that stand point, its basically more of an honorary title. I doubt the Sage lorded over the people, he just traveled around spreading his beliefs and inventing ninshou.

Yet when the Elder son wasn't chosen he was so outraged that he betrayed and attempted to kill his own brother.

Obito already explained that it was a pride issue.

 

[Dark Link]

I see nine tails so I think it's kurama

 

[Apexx]

BM is a manifestation of Kurama's chakra melded with the users, it is unique to Kurama, as when any TB but Kurama or the Ten Tails are used in a Jin, they take on a physical form. Naruto is the reincarnation of the Younger Son then he should have all of his potential, he should be able to use this avatar as well without Kurama.

That's part of what makes me thinks its a evolved BM.
As should others, don't forget that several in the Uchiha clan can use Susanoo, but the Younger Son is the only one to show this avatar.

Oh i see. The reason why Naruto's BM is an avatar, instead of physical is because he is reincarnation of Ashura.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then why would the Elder Son be so angry over not being chosen, from that stand point, its basically more of an honorary title. I doubt the Sage lorded over the people, he just traveled around spreading his beliefs and inventing ninshou.

Yet when the Elder son wasn't chosen he was so outraged that he betrayed and attempted to kill his own brother.

That is exactly why he was angry. It basically made him think that Hagoromo favored Ashura over him and held him in higher regards despite him being the one who received the good genes.

Ninshuu being power goes against Rikudo's belief. Ninshuu was used to connect the people, not for violence or fighting.

Obito already explained that it was a pride issue.

This right here.

 

[saw2097]

Obito already explained that it was a pride issue.

That's a bit extreme for pride, I have a brother and I would never consider killing him no matter what.

That rage and hatred didn't just consume him, he passed it down for generations as the Curse of Hatred.

It takes something very extreme to turn you on your own sibling.

 

[Penguin]

That's a bit extreme for pride, I have a brother and I would never consider killing him no matter what.

That rage and hatred didn't just consume him, he passed it down for generations as the Curse of Hatred.

It takes something very extreme to turn you on your own sibling.

You are not Indra. Simple as that. Different views.

 

[novacore]

i thought about this because we dont know if he has a bijuu or not. Maybe the 9 tails was given to him by his dad? maybe not. It would make sense if he did, because that could be the full version 9 tails. yin/yang mode. if it was just a susano'o based off of just his own powers, then why are there tails? Thats the biggest problem in this theory. Most likely it is a bijuu mode, it even shares the same design and patterns of naruto's bijuu mode. So this theory is unlikely, but one that is considered.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That's a bit extreme for pride, I have a brother and I would never consider killing him no matter what.

That rage and hatred didn't just consume him, he passed down for generations as the Curse of Hatred.

It takes something very extreme to turn you on your own sibling.

I'm an older brother as well, and I wouldn't do it either, even though I'd be extremely angry if I felt I was qualified. However, ever heard of Cain and Able? Read that chapter on Genisis in the bible. That, which is the first murder that we Christians think happened, was when and older brother was jealous of the praise given to his younger brother.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

That is not Kurama.

It may however be why Naruto's Bijuu Mode looks so different from other Jinchuurikis, though.