Seems to me that Kakashi was LYING...

[Piratefish]

Itachi...
He was 11 when he defeated orochimaru and made him leave akatsuki...

Itachi at 11 was stronger than kakashi

Methinks you looked at the beginning of the opening post and not the end of it. He was 13.

Look at Kakashi Gaiden. Kakashi himself was able to beat a Jonin with his new sharingan...basically Naruto as he was vs a Jonin class shinobi.

Kakashi was a fairly strong ninja even when he was younger than Naruto, and thus it seems unlikely that he could have been bypassed so fast.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

well i suppose there were prodigies with kg abilities/jinchuuriki who could be stronger than kakashi in part1. nagato, bee, kimimaro for example.

the biggest plothole with kakashi is what he said about the hyuuga being the oldest and strongest clan in konoha

It isn't really a plot hole since we don't know when the actual Uchiha and Senju clans were founded...just because they descend from the sons doesn't mean that yet formed immediately over night. Also the clan as a whole has a much higher combat level than that of most if not all clans. Not a whole lot of Uchihas get to Madara's level. Same with Hashirama.

 

[Blaze Release]

Actually Itachi mastered the sharingan at 8, is one of these.
Base Itachi kid actually has more impressive feats than ms itachi who hardly has any feats.

Nagato might be another

 

[Owarij]

Methinks you looked at the beginning of the opening post and not the end of it. He was 13.

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Two scans.. Part 1, Part 2, Sasori, Kisame both saying Itachi was 11
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Itachi Uchiha apparently joined before carrying out the Uchiha clan massacre for which he defected from Konohagakure, though his membership seems to have come with the stipulation that Akatsuki could make no direct movements against Konoha. When Itachi joined, Orochimaru attempted to steal his body in order to gain the Sharingan. This failed and he was forced to defect. Deidara was recruited to replace Orochimaru as Sasori's partner,

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[Edo Odin]

Seems to be the most likely candidate, not least because of Jiraiya's reaction when he imagined Nagato's growth rate through the years (HOLY CRAP BETTER GET SERIOUS). But still, at this point Nagato has been doing friendly sparring for three years. Kakashi's been fighting in wars for at the VERY LEAST 13. I just can't see him winning.

Still, it seems like some part of the Rinnegan comes instinctively. After all, he did ragekill three ninjas before even getting any training at all

 

[Apocalypse Ninja]

I think he was just trying to teach Naruto the lesson of "Don't judge a book by its cover" something like that Not trying to argue that its not possible for young kids to be incredibly strong, but I think he was just speaking to him as a mentor, words of wisdom if you will.

 

[Blaze Release]

Lmao and people thought i was the logical person here, owarij is better than me. Why do you think i shy away from any confrontation between me and him.
I also knew about the scans and everything, however when its been hit on the spot by wiki its undeniable.

 

[choft]

Two scans.. Part 1, Part 2, Sasori, Kisame both saying Itachi was 11
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Oh man, Kishi fails at doing ages.

He said Itachi is an anbu black op leader at 13. There is no way they would let a missing nin become an anbu black op leader. This is as bad as Kakashi and Obito graduation ages and Chunin exam qualifications.

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[Owarij]

^ Itachi entered anbu at age 10, became a anbu captain at age 13, and later down THAT year, left the village .. There is nothing wrong with the timeline for itachi

 

[choft]

^ Itachi entered anbu at age 10, became a anbu captain at age 13, and later down THAT year, left the village .. There is nothing wrong with the timeline for itachi

No.

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Itachi was already Akatsuki.

Kishi fails at ages.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

LOL, *cough* Obito *cough*

It's true though, I always noticed it in this character but was like hmm whatever.

"I don't let my comrades die" Yet if haku wanted to kill sasuke he would be dead, kakashi couldn't help..

"Obito loved you and because of that I will protect you even if it cost me my life"....

"The rinnegan is just a mutation"..

I always use to think how can you state these things, I know you might believe what you are saying is true but you have nothing to confirm this or to assure it won't happen for good.

So thus, kakashi is all talk. Obito is right about that.

Even when he said protect naruto.. Kakashi is lucky naruto is the main character so we know he is doing that.

 

[Owarij]

No.

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Itachi was already Akatsuki.

Kishi fails at ages.

....That is the point of the post... that scan doesn't prove whether itachi was in akatsuki at 11 or 13... it just shows him in akatsuki ....

 

[choft]

....That is the point of the post... that scan doesn't prove whether itachi was in akatsuki at 11 or 13... it just shows him in akatsuki ....

Well, if Itachi is in the Akatsuki, and he defeated Orochimaru in an Akatsuki uniform, and he also defeated Orochimaru at 11. How is Itachi also an Anbu Black Op captain at 13, as I'm pretty sure they won't let an Akatsuki join the Black ops?

It makes no sense timeline wise.

Kishi fails at ages.

 

[Piratefish]

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Two scans.. Part 1, Part 2, Sasori, Kisame both saying Itachi was 11
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It's mighty odd though, isn't it, how Konoha would make Itachi an ANBU leader TWO YEARS after his desertion:

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And how technically Sasori and Kisame weren't mentioning Itachi's age at all, rather the time-period Orochimaru left the organization. Perhaps he rejoined, or served as an "honorary" member for certain periods. It makes more sense than Itachi's post-desertion promotion...

 

[Blaze Release]

Well, if Itachi is in the Akatsuki, and he defeated Orochimaru in an Akatsuki uniform, and he also defeated Orochimaru at 11. How is Itachi also an Anbu Black Op captain at 13, as I'm pretty sure they won't let an Akatsuki join the Black ops?

It makes no sense timeline wise.

Kishi fails at ages.

Actually whilst i havent really paid much effort to this topic, owarij is right. Currently im doing something however ill post why later.

 

[Owarij]

Well, if Itachi is in the Akatsuki, and he defeated Orochimaru in an Akatsuki uniform, and he also defeated Orochimaru at 11. How is Itachi also an Anbu Black Op captain at 13, as I'm pretty sure they won't let an Akatsuki join the Black ops?

It makes no sense timeline wise.

Kishi fails at ages.

Dude.... do you not understand that he found obito before killing his clan, before leaving the village... everything didn't just happen in one day.... he had the mission to kill the clan for a while.. but the village tried other methods.. He made a deal with tobi so that akatsuki could not make any moves on Akatsuki... and temporarily joined..

Orochimaru attacked him , Itachi defeated him with 3 tomoe.. all he had at that time....
After all Hiruzen's negotiations faied , and Shishui failed (because of danzo), Shishui gave Itachi his eye and died... this would have been around age 12...

It would have been around here when anbu's started pestering Itachi to hurry up and do the mission...(We saw when one of them came to him and told him if he doesn't do it , they will)

Itachi becomes anbu captain...

Itachi goes back to tobi and asks him for help to kill the clan..

They both do it..

Itachi talks to hiruzen about sasuke

Itachi leaves the village , permanently ,

Itachi partnered with Kisame (Itachi activates mangekyou) showing he has it

Sasori is still partner less

Deidara recruited into akatsuki and becomes Sasori's partner

Isn't that difficult of a time line.....Your problem is you believe the entire massacre thing, shishui death , hiruzen negotiations all went down in a week or day.... it was a drawn out thing... and Itachi became a spy for konoha almost the moment he joined anbu (age 10)

Which is why when the 3 uchiha confronted him, they said that after only half a year (10.5) of him joining anbu he started acting different... He was already a spy.. already had the mission

 

[Bogard]

I also believe it's a timeline problem concerning Itachi's age. Because it's pretty obvious that this Itachi(

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, and it's said he got MS at 13)

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Is younger than this Itachi

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[choft]

Dude.... do you not understand that he found obito before killing his clan, before leaving the village... everything didn't just happen in one day.... he had the mission to kill the clan for a while.. but the village tried other methods.. He made a deal with tobi so that akatsuki could not make any moves on Akatsuki... and temporarily joined..

Orochimaru attacked him , Itachi defeated him with 3 tomoe.. all he had at that time....
After all Hiruzen's negotiations faied , and Shishui failed (because of danzo), Shishui gave Itachi his eye and died... this would have been around age 12...

It would have been around here when anbu's started pestering Itachi to hurry up and do the mission...(We saw when one of them came to him and told him if he doesn't do it , they will)

Itachi becomes anbu captain...

Itachi goes back to tobi and asks him for help to kill the clan..

They both do it..

Itachi talks to hiruzen about sasuke

Itachi leaves the village , permanently ,

Itachi partnered with Kisame (Itachi activates mangekyou) showing he has it

Sasori is still partner less

Deidara recruited into akatsuki and becomes Sasori's partner

Isn't that difficult of a time line.....Your problem is you believe the entire massacre thing, shishui death , hiruzen negotiations all went down in a week or day.... it was a drawn out thing... and Itachi became a spy for konoha almost the moment he joined anbu (age 10)

Which why when the 3 uchiha confronted him, they said that after only half a year (10.5) of him joining anbu he started acting different... He was already a spy.. already had the mission

So basically, Itachi joined Akatsuki before joining the Anbu Black Ops? That's what I don't understand.

 

[Owarij]

So basically, Itachi joined Akatsuki before joining the Anbu Black Ops? That's what I don't understand.

No..he joined akatsuki after joining anbu...Danzo most definitely knew of this... Which is how he had info on "Uchiha Madara" , It's because itachi thought Tobi was Uchiha madara

 

[choft]

No..he joined akatsuki after joining anbu...Danzo most definitely knew of this... Which is how he had info on "Uchiha Madara" , It's because itachi thought Tobi was Uchiha madara

Ok, so Itachi joined Anbu at 10, that's fine.
He joined Akatsuki at 11 because he defeated Orochimaru in an Akatsuki uniform.
He then left the village at 13.

But Obito said Itachi joined Akatsuki after leaving the village.

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I still don't get it.