Second Strongest Straw Hat

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Having stronger enemies or being the first member of the Straw Hats doesn't mean anything.

ok, lets see the wolf guy and ecki,


ecki > jabura


Zoro wasn't seriously fighting with Ecki, still defeated him.
Sanji had a hard time with Jabura..

 

[shri3kbat]

Luffy > Zoro > Sanji
No point arguing this

Why do you think Sanji was pitted against Mr 2 and Zoro against Mr 1, for example?
And every time else Sanji got a slightly easier opponent

 

[Caliburn]

Zoro and there isn't really a doubt about that. I once wrote a lengthy response about this a long time ago in a similar thread in this section and I'm not in the mood to search for it, but this was the bottom line: Zoro is stronger than sanji, however it's not like they're worlds apart. If they would fight, Zoro wouldn't have it easy, but in the end he would be victorious.

Oda has indicated in a hell of a lot of ways that Zoro is the number 2 of the Strawhats. A few of those are:

- Zoro always beats the 2nd strongest of the enemy group. This was even made very clear during the Ennies Lobbies arc where Zoro fought Kaku who had a higher power level than Jabura, though the difference wasn't very big (which supports my earlier statement that Zoro wouldn't have it easy).

- Zoro is the 2nd person of the Strawhats who got a bounty after Luffy.

- Zoro is the 2nd person of the Strawhats to get a bounty over a 100m after Luffy, making him the 2nd member of the Strawhats who is part of the 11 Supernova's.

- Zoro is the only one of the Strawhats of who other people said could practically be a captain himself.

And that list goes on. I wrote a more detailed analysis in the post I earlier mentioned. Maybe I will search for it later, but there is really no doubt that Zoro is still stronger. Not by much, but nonetheless he is and Oda made that quite obvious a lot of times in several ways. Oda is overall quite good when it comes in reflecting the power levels of characters.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Zoro is deffinatly number two ^.^

 

[Punk Hazard]

zoro without a doubt... there is a reason he is the first mate :|

Zoro was never actually confirmed as the first mate.

OT: Zoro.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Pirate Hunter Zoro.

 

[Love Cook]

Yeah Zoro but if you have to distribute 100 points over the both of them it would be 51-49

Zoro is stronger
Sanji is smarter
zoro is more durable
Sanji is faster

both use different kind of fighting styles which make it hard to compare. Either way without one of them Luffy would've been dead by now.

 

[ReXii]

Yeah Zoro but if you have to distribute 100 points over the both of them it would be 51-49

Zoro is stronger
Sanji is smarter
zoro is more durable
Sanji is faster

both use different kind of fighting styles which make it hard to compare. Either way without one of them Luffy would've been dead by now.

I would say more like 60-40
I would never consider Sanji to be a step away from being on par with Zoro.
At this current time Zoro seems not all that far of Luffy especially in punk hazard, he emulated Luffy's conquerers haki on a single target, literally scared her so much that she couldn't reform lol.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Sanji of course.....
problem ?

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Zoro hands down... But Sanji can cook

 

[Love Cook]

I would say more like 60-40
I would never consider Sanji to be a step away from being on par with Zoro.
At this current time Zoro seems not all that far of Luffy especially in punk hazard, he emulated Luffy's conquerers haki on a single target, literally scared her so much that she couldn't reform lol.

That wasn't haki back then, it was killer intent. Zoro showed that a couple of times before.

The other thing is that Oda has been dropping clues throughout the entire series that they are more or less equal.

Zoro was struggeling vs Kaku who only had 10 more duroki than Jyabura who was finished by Sanji easily after he already recieved a beating from Kalifa.

Sanji was there at the Kuma moment as well.

Sanji has been fighting the stronger enemies for the last 2 arcs. Wadatsumi and Vergo.

Defeating Monet was not such an epic feat since she already told Luffy she had no hope in beating him, she clearly wasn't one of the strongest fighters. If anything Monet was just an oppertunity for Zoro to showcase his control and haki.

 

[Frozenstein]

Zoro

 

[Rayder]

ok, lets see the wolf guy and ecki,
ecki > jabura

Zoro wasn't seriously fighting with Ecki, still defeated him.
Sanji had a hard time with Jabura..

If we are going from the outcome of that fight Sanji beat his opponent a lot easier than Zoro beat his. Sanji was also injured from his loss to Kalifa while Zoro was in a better condition than Sanji. Sanji was winning from the start and Jyabra would have lost even without Sanji using Diable, can't say the same about Zoro winning his fight without Asura.

 

[TheHokage]

I'd have to say Zoro...

 

[Typhon]

Zoro is definitely number two.

And to be honest, I'm starting to question if Sanji is still #3. Franky has been looking real impressive during this last arc. I think he might be making a serious push to overtake that 3rd spot in terms of strength.

 

[Simple Math]

Zoro is definitely number two.

And to be honest, I'm starting to question if Sanji is still #3. Franky has been looking real impressive during this last arc. I think he might be making a serious push to overtake that 3rd spot in terms of strength.

this. Franky might be a threat to Sanji.

 

[Caliburn]

That wasn't haki back then, it was killer intent. Zoro showed that a couple of times before.

The other thing is that Oda has been dropping clues throughout the entire series that they are more or less equal.

Zoro was struggeling vs Kaku who only had 10 more duroki than Jyabura who was finished by Sanji easily after he already recieved a beating from Kalifa.

Sanji was there at the Kuma moment as well.

Sanji has been fighting the stronger enemies for the last 2 arcs. Wadatsumi and Vergo.

Defeating Monet was not such an epic feat since she already told Luffy she had no hope in beating him, she clearly wasn't one of the strongest fighters. If anything Monet was just an oppertunity for Zoro to showcase his control and haki.

Actually no, not really. He continuously indicated that Zoro is the number 2, but not that there is a large difference, but still enough to keep that spot.

Sanji was there at the Kuma moment, however Zoro knocked him out and took the full brunt. There isn't a more symbolic way to make it obvious that Zoro is the number 2 of the crew.

Wadatsumi wasn't stronger, at least there is nothing that give that a sold basis. I mean Luffy pretty much beat Wadatsumi in one hit. I wouldn't call it a real 'beating' as Luffy just had to get passed him, but he didn't really had much issues with that. While Hyouzou, when Luffy hit him at the beginning of the arc, he blocked Luffy's attack. On top of that Hyouzou was the only one outside Hody Jones who went into that overpowered mode by eating those steroids. Wadatsumi was very huge and had a lot of brute strength, but overall he couldn't be really considered strong, not in the nature of Hody or Hyouzou, who had skills and techniques. Not to mention Sanji fought Wadatsumi with Jinbei. So it's pretty much invalid to say that Wadatsumi was the number 2 in the FI arc.

The Vergo battle is invalid likewise because in this arc the match up's were very unusual. Normally they are almost always perfect for the opponent they are fighting, but that wasn't really the case right now. For starters Sanji only had a brief skirmish with Virgo, it was not a 'final battle', you can't say he lost, but neither did he win. That was between Smoker, Law and Virgo. Neither was Zoro's fight normal as he fought together with Tashigi.

So neither of those battles work in favor of Sanji being equal to Zoro. Oda made it so that the difference isn't very large, but still that in the end Zoro is higher and the scene with Kuma more than anything else shows that that is the case. The fact that Sanji was there, but that Zoro knocked him out and took all the pain makes it pretty certain that Oda places Zoro a spot higher than Sanji.

 

[Love Cook]

Actually no, not really. He continuously indicated that Zoro is the number 2, but not that there is a large difference, but still enough to keep that spot.

Sanji was there at the Kuma moment, however Zoro knocked him out and took the full brunt. There isn't a more symbolic way to make it obvious that Zoro is the number 2 of the crew.

Wadatsumi wasn't stronger, at least there is nothing that give that a sold basis. I mean Luffy pretty much beat Wadatsumi in one hit. I wouldn't call it a real 'beating' as Luffy just had to get passed him, but he didn't really had much issues with that. While Hyouzou, when Luffy hit him at the beginning of the arc, he blocked Luffy's attack. On top of that Hyouzou was the only one outside Hody Jones who went into that overpowered mode by eating those steroids. Wadatsumi was very huge and had a lot of brute strength, but overall he couldn't be really considered strong, not in the nature of Hody or Hyouzou, who had skills and techniques. Not to mention Sanji fought Wadatsumi with Jinbei. So it's pretty much invalid to say that Wadatsumi was the number 2 in the FI arc.

The Vergo battle is invalid likewise because in this arc the match up's were very unusual. Normally they are almost always perfect for the opponent they are fighting, but that wasn't really the case right now. For starters Sanji only had a brief skirmish with Virgo, it was not a 'final battle', you can't say he lost, but neither did he win. That was between Smoker, Law and Virgo. Neither was Zoro's fight normal as he fought together with Tashigi.

So neither of those battles work in favor of Sanji being equal to Zoro. Oda made it so that the difference isn't very large, but still that in the end Zoro is higher and the scene with Kuma more than anything else shows that that is the case. The fact that Sanji was there, but that Zoro knocked him out and took all the pain makes it pretty certain that Oda places Zoro a spot higher than Sanji.

What don't you get about 'more or less' while your conclusion of your rant is:'Oda made it so that the difference isn't very large'

- Never said that Sanji is stronger
- Never said that Sanji is equal

read next time

 

[Senpai1507]

Zoro>Sanji in fighting
Sanji>Zoro in cooking
Sanji>Zoro in catching sexy ladies