second mizukage vs 3rd raikage??

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2nd Mizukage stomp. See my other thread on this (front page), where I've got the Mizukage against a much bigger list of foes (including the Raikage).
 

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Poor Kages. He's going to be so upset in the coming weeks when Hiruzen is put in his place... don't be bitter man, this is the Mizukage.
 

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given all the hype hes getting recently, i can see mizukage concievably winning but third is a terrible matchup. they literally cant hurt each other till third raikage destroys the whole area and the clam with it. 2nd probably has good chakra levels but third riakage drew with hachibi and presumably tanked bijuudama, then he fought 10 000 people for 3 days
 

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The 2nd has lots of ways to hurt him. His attack is so strong it makes Gaara's defence crumble... nor does he have to be close to use water release attacks. Plus he could just gradually drown the Raikage and wear him down. And he has Jouki boy... eventually, that'll take the Raikage out, given that it does not get tired, and he does. The explosion from Jouki boy is not small, and meanwhile the Mizukage will be miles away smoking a pipe and trolling.
 

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gaara was facing its natural weakness, oil which meant that it crumbled as oil seeped in and broke it up.
how does he drown the third? he doesnt know or hasnt shown suigetsus water bubble nor any large scale suiton like mei. if he tries anything, third is LEAGUES faster and so would dodge water gun and electrify mizukage's water/oil.
jouki boi cant take him out lol. the mizukage himself can get tired and is weakened/hiding. if he ran from the battlefield, then raikage has no reason to take the clone bombardment and follows him. any kage level shinobi has acute senses and he could smell mizukage out.
its not small but neither has it truly done anyone any damage. onoki said mu merely "had trouble" with it.
also theres the problem of activating it before third kills him. once the genjutsu is down, mizukage has apparently one good move available. also i wonder whatd happen to the clone if its shot full of lightning
 

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gaara was facing its natural weakness, oil which meant that it crumbled as oil seeped in and broke it up.
I am losing track of how many times in the last few days, in an attempt to win an argument, you (or a poster like you) makes something up. Where does it say Sand is weak to Oil? Nowhere. This is all just made up on your part, to try and weaken the Mizukage. It's certainly true that Gaara's sand got owned by the oily water, but to assume that's true because of a made up and unmentioned special weakness to it is just ridiculous.

You have no evidence for it, so we take it for what it is- namely that his water attacks can take out Gaara's ultimate defence, something Gaara's dad couldn't do when he tried to mix gold sand amid his normal sand, weighing it down and weakening it. In addition the sand shield of Gaara's has multiple puncture holes in it, none of which appear to be from oil water (more like water bullets or something), so it's not like he's limited to oily water.

how does he drown the third? he doesnt know or hasnt shown suigetsus water bubble nor any large scale suiton like mei. if he tries anything, third is LEAGUES faster and so would dodge water gun and electrify mizukage's water/oil.
If the Mizukage can create enough water to destroy Gaara's defences (have you seen the scale of Gaara's defence?), then he can create enough water to drown one human, or at least badly injure him and wear him down. It doesn't matter that the Raikage is faster, because the Mizukage has proven he can attack while nowhere near him.

jouki boi cant take him out lol. the mizukage himself can get tired and is weakened/hiding. if he ran from the battlefield, then raikage has no reason to take the clone bombardment and follows him. any kage level shinobi has acute senses and he could smell mizukage out.
And now we're inventing another ability to help Raikage win this fight. God, why is it so predictable for people to do this. He has not shown any "sense of smell" for us to grant him this ability!

its not small but neither has it truly done anyone any damage. onoki said mu merely "had trouble" with it.
It did this to Gaara's ultimate sealing technique:

and this:
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also theres the problem of activating it before third kills him. once the genjutsu is down, mizukage has apparently one good move available. also i wonder whatd happen to the clone if its shot full of lightning
Since the Raikage has no way to lift the genjutsu, it's a moot point.
 

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or kill the clone as its running around. its fast but not raiton no yoroi shunshin fast
1) It's faster than Gaara's sand, and we have multiple feats for Gaara's sand catching the Raikage (maybe not at top speed, but nonetheless, it's not a given at all), and
2) It doesn't matter if the Raikage "kills" it, indeed that'll be playing into the Mizukage's hands since it'll just explode and reform... the whole point is the clone can reform itself... hitting it just makes it go off that much faster.
 

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we have multiple feats for Gaara's sand catching the Raikage
A raikage. third is likely more experienced and skillful compared to his son and he has a much cooler head. gaara blocked A's kick but we dont know where gaara was standing so its unquantifiable. third raikage as an edo was on autopilot and so got caught briefly.
the clone is faster than gaara thought but im sure if he went top speed hed catch it by manipulating the ground.

2) It doesn't matter if the Raikage "kills" it, indeed that'll be playing into the Mizukage's hands since it'll just explode and reform... the whole point is the clone can reform itself... hitting it just makes it go off that much faster.
heating it up does that. but running raitno through it will paralyse it. for some reason lightning in naruto works differently to real life and isnt very hot.

I am losing track of how many times in the last few days, in an attempt to win an argument, you (or a poster like you) makes something up. Where does it say Sand is weak to Oil?
defeated you

to assume that's true because of a made up and unmentioned special weakness to it is just ridiculous.
they had to make gaara pile on several layers of sand to stop it seeping through. that seems like a natural counter if oil is the only known thing that can do this to gaaras sand.

It did this to Gaara's ultimate sealing technique:
good. it blasted apart sand. doesnt mean it makes third raikage even budge

And now we're inventing another ability to help Raikage win this fight. God, why is it so predictable for people to do this. He has not shown any "sense of smell" for us to grant him this ability!
so because sakura hasnt shown she can swim, that means she cannot? what ridiculous logic. all humans are born with the innate ability to hear smell and feel. ninjas are especially adept because they need to be for combat. only kakashi and kiba have especially advanced senses of smell but that doesnt mean kage level ninjas cant use it to some advantage if their sight is taken. hiruzen did just fine in a darkness genjutsu

namely that his water attacks can take out Gaara's ultimate defence, something Gaara's dad couldn't do when he tried to mix gold sand amid his normal sand, weighing it down and weakening it
theres a difference between trying to weigh it down and trying to seep through and destroy it. thats like saying punching someone is the same as throwing water on them. the water seeps through your mouth and makes you choke and splutter. the punch would just give you a bruise

f the Mizukage can create enough water to destroy Gaara's defences (have you seen the scale of Gaara's defence
as you said he was punching holes in it and letting small amounts of oil seep in and break it down. its not about the amount. its just that his defences were useless and when he used more sand than usual, it made the oil useless
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In addition the sand shield of Gaara's has multiple puncture holes in it, none of which appear to be from oil water (more like water bullets or something), so it's not like he's limited to oily water.
still dont see why you think gaara's sand = third raikages skin/lighting armour and thus means he will be hurt by water bullets
 

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A raikage. third is likely more experienced and skillful compared to his son and he has a much cooler head. gaara blocked A's kick but we dont know where gaara was standing so its unquantifiable. third raikage as an edo was on autopilot and so got caught briefly.
Speculation on your part on all points.

the clone is faster than gaara thought but im sure if he went top speed hed catch it by manipulating the ground.
Except Gaara couldn't catch it... so now we're not only assuming ridiculous things like the Raikage having a super sense of smell, but that Gaara "could have caught the steam clone if he felt like it... he just didn't". Are you trying to destroy your credibility here?

heating it up does that. but running raitno through it will paralyse it. for some reason lightning in naruto works differently to real life and isnt very hot.
Again, this is made up on your part, and there is no evidence for any of these contentions. The force of impact against the clone heats the water, which causes the explosion to speed up. Needless to say, the 3rd Raikage hitting it (assuming he can) is going to create alot of friction, which in turn speeds up the explosion. If it was just a simple matter of "hitting the clone with something sharp", then Gaara could have done that... indeed, when he hits the clone with his clone attack, it just reforms a bunch (because it's made of water, which again, has no special weakness against lightning per se, that's Earth... all we've seen of this "special weakness" is Suigetsu being hit by it and saying "am I too weak to water?" because he's nailed to the wall... not "I'm weak to water", or "this water form is helpless against lightning".

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This page contains no remarks to refute anything I said. Gaara does not say the sand's special weakness is oil, or even that the sand is weak to oil... all he says is that the oil is seeping in and destroying his sand... duh. If regular water did that, he could tell us it was doing the same thing, or if lava did it... it dosn't mean he's saying those things are especially strong against Sand, merely that they are beating his sand. Maybe you're guessing it's especially weak to Oily water, but that is nowhere stated in the comic, and can't be assumed because it suits your argument.

they had to make gaara pile on several layers of sand to stop it seeping through. that seems like a natural counter if oil is the only known thing that can do this to gaaras sand.
Again, your personal theory is irrelevant without actual evidence.

good. it blasted apart sand. doesnt mean it makes third raikage even budge
The 3rd Raikage has cracks on his body from when he was hit by Terumi's fan attack... which means it damaged him... if he can be damaged by that, he's not going to repeatedly tank Jouki boy for no damage. He's not an Edo in this fight.

Notice also the earlier scan when he gets knocked on his ass by Temuri... that's what causes the damage here (and we see damage from the initial shot too), so while he is indeed very tough, he's not going to be indefinitely tanking what the Mizukage can do to him.

so because sakura hasnt shown she can swim, that means she cannot? what ridiculous logic. all humans are born with the innate ability to hear smell and feel. ninjas are especially adept because they need to be for combat. only kakashi and kiba have especially advanced senses of smell but that doesnt mean kage level ninjas cant use it to some advantage if their sight is taken. hiruzen did just fine in a darkness genjutsu
Hiruzen has a feat of being able to smell out his foes... so we grant it to him... we don't grant it to other shinobi because they haven't done it, no more than I grant Kakashi's Chidori or Tsunade's strength to other shinobi, unless there's evidence for it. Laughable argument.

theres a difference between trying to weigh it down and trying to seep through and destroy it. thats like saying punching someone is the same as throwing water on them. the water seeps through your mouth and makes you choke and splutter. the punch would just give you a bruise
The 4th Kazekage could do it well enough to subdue the One Tail... sounds like a pretty effective move to me... just Gaara has gotten sufficiently stronger now, that he can overcome it (while multitasking too). That's Gaara being more powerful, not his sand having some special advantage over his dads... the same logic applies to the oily water, unless we're told otherwise.
 
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