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Originally Posted by Sleaves
We are all parts of space and time and i believe that space and time only exist inside all of the matter that came from the big bang. now i know you were saying that the big bang is not what you wanted to hear about but i have some theories on it. i believe that that big ball of heated mass that blew up for the big bang is just part of a cycle. if you look around our universe the most powerful objects in existence are actually the closest things we have found to your absolute "nothing" which are Black holes and even those have different stages. now here are a couple things about black holes, they can merge to create supermassive black holes which will eventually turn into the more powerful quasar, at their center they have an extreme amount of heat due to colliding matter "Quantum mechanics predicts that black holes emit radiation like a black body with a finite temperature. This temperature is inversely proportional to the mass of the black hole", and they blast tons of radiation out into space (radiation was what we found and used to find the edge of space and time and actually get a timeline to the big bang in the first place). I think that its possible for a black holes to merge continuously until they have obsorbed all other matter in the universe. that in my opinion might make a strong enough pull to bring back the edge of space and time that was originally flung out by the big bang. this would create the giant ball of heated mass that we started out with. Like you said matter cannot be unmade or turned into nothing it can only change its form, like when a fire goes out its not gone the heat is just dispersed elsewhere etc etc. I think that there is a stage like one in the making of a black hole that we have not discovered yet. to make a black hole, a star has a "gravitational collapse" which is just the "inward fall of a body due to the influence of its own gravity". i believe that something like this would happen to our heated mass and make a giant explosion. thus the big bang. you had asked where this heated mass came from in your thread, here i have given my thoughts on that. it is a repeating process that has gone on since the ultimate question you brought up. How was "Something" born from Nothing?
alrighty i know this has been totally long and probably annoying if your not truly interested in the questions of our universe but as i said before i would love to keep debating this with you. if you want send me a message back telling me what you think and we can try to figure out the ultimate questions answer. How WAS something born from Nothing???
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Hey Sleaves, heres a gigantic reply to your thoughts
i have read your answer, and i have to say that i liked it to the point where i didnt want it to end! lol
while its true big bang is not what im searching for, your theory was more interesting than the usual!, and some of what u have already crossed my mind, like forexample "the black hole theory", perhaps black holes are the doorways to "nothingness", since all stars die and some turn into black holes, maybe in the end, black holes will suck everything!, all the black holes will be combined together and the whole universe will be Sucked into nothingness!!
now i know that your answer is somewhat like this, but like i told you, ive also thought of this, and this was my theory in my own words!, but you know what, since our theories match, perhaps, there is some truth to what we say!
however as u can see mine is abit different, because i see black holes as the doorways to "nothingness", i dont know where to begin because i have no limit in my thoughts, but i'll try to explain some
want you to think of everything that u know in our world, and see if u agree, i believe just like us and everything else the universe has some sort of building map, as to what i call "the universes DNA", i believe the universe is made of many rules and laws which are a part of its creation!!, but the original rule which gave birth to many other rule is "Balance"
1."Balance", first and most important law "Balance", divide balance into two, cause and effect are born!!
2."Reason" Or you can say "Cause"
3."effect"
this universe has a rule, i call the Rule of "One"
take a look at the things u know about this universe, and things around you, theres a Balance in everything!, and if there isnt, then a Balance is created!¨
there is light, there is dark
there is life, there is death
there is positive, there is negative
there is gravity, and there is antigravity
there is time, and space "i believe they are oposites, or u could say two sides of the same coin"
there is material, and there is antimaterial!
there is living, there is dead, and then there is that which is both like viruses
if you look at an atom, it contains protons, and electrons, and if u look at a proton or electron, then they are made of quarks which are also negative and positive, and oposites!, so from the biggest things to the smallest things in this universe there is balance!!
lets take an atom forexample, it contains of electrons "negative", and protons "positive", and one more thing "neutrons"!!, in actuality there always is two sides of things, but the sides can always be united and combined!!, take time and space, existence is created, in this case existence is the "neutral",
even the smallest particules can be divided, and ofcourse into nomore than two, exact oposites, take for example quarks!
there is what i call three basic numbers in this universe, and those are 0, 1, and infinity!, some people say infinity and zero are not numbers, but they are wrong!, though it doesnt matter what they are, it matters what they mean!, anyway..
imagine u have an apple in ur hand, cut that apple in two, now u have two pieaces apple, and now i want you to cut those two peaces in half aswell!, how many pieaces do you have now? 4, yes?, well now cut eatch of those 4 pieaces in half aswell!, now you have 8, and so on and so on, keep doing that for as long as possible, cut even the quarks in half, dont stop - what happens?, every time you divde it, it gets more in numbers, but smaller in size!, will it have an end? - considering there are bigger objects out there than an apple, it means it must have a limit!, so it kinda has to reach a point where it cannot be divided anymore! - so what happens when u keep diding the matter over and over again until it reaches its limit?
imagine the apple divided into infinite peaces (only in this case, to make it more diffcult)
and eatch peace are at their limit size where they cannot get divided, because they cannot get smaller!!, what happens if you somehow forcibly divide those undividable peaces?
i believe they will dissappear!!, into nothingness!!
why you ask? - because matter can be divided over and over again, but once it reaches its limit, it means that its as "small" as it can get!!, which means that its at the very borders between "nonexistence" and "existence"!!, when u divide a matter exponentionally, eventually it will come to the point where its neither existence, or nonexistence, and both!! - divided it, and it will turn into nothingness!, square it, and it will turn into existence or matter!!
i believe energy is the link between existence and nonexistence!, when matter cant be divided anymore, it is turned into what we call energy!!
there are three basic numbers 0, 1, and infinity, and they can be divided by eatchother!, in my opinion, infinity divided by infinity = 1, cuz every number divided by itself is one!, 1 divided by infinity = infinity, but i believe if you divided 1 by infinity all at the same "time",as in using all the four dimensions at once, the result will be zero!, but thats a quite arguable subject, so for now i'll leave it be..
anyway my point with all this is that black holes may be able to collapse "nonexistence" with existence!, and the result is that the rules of existence bend! - cuz black holes supposedly have such enormous amount of gravity that it pulls matter into itself many times faster than the Speed of light!! - the speed that einstein said couldnt be surpassed!!, and not even light can pass through it!!, and blackholes do not look like they are fully existent!!, they are black-holes in the universe, space and time!
they truly are inriguing....
i am very sorry if i confused you with all this, and for writing such a huge reply! lol, but i wrote it, and its ur choice to read it or not!, would like to hear ur thoughts though.
Originally Posted by Sleaves
We are all parts of space and time and i believe that space and time only exist inside all of the matter that came from the big bang. now i know you were saying that the big bang is not what you wanted to hear about but i have some theories on it. i believe that that big ball of heated mass that blew up for the big bang is just part of a cycle. if you look around our universe the most powerful objects in existence are actually the closest things we have found to your absolute "nothing" which are Black holes and even those have different stages. now here are a couple things about black holes, they can merge to create supermassive black holes which will eventually turn into the more powerful quasar, at their center they have an extreme amount of heat due to colliding matter "Quantum mechanics predicts that black holes emit radiation like a black body with a finite temperature. This temperature is inversely proportional to the mass of the black hole", and they blast tons of radiation out into space (radiation was what we found and used to find the edge of space and time and actually get a timeline to the big bang in the first place). I think that its possible for a black holes to merge continuously until they have obsorbed all other matter in the universe. that in my opinion might make a strong enough pull to bring back the edge of space and time that was originally flung out by the big bang. this would create the giant ball of heated mass that we started out with. Like you said matter cannot be unmade or turned into nothing it can only change its form, like when a fire goes out its not gone the heat is just dispersed elsewhere etc etc. I think that there is a stage like one in the making of a black hole that we have not discovered yet. to make a black hole, a star has a "gravitational collapse" which is just the "inward fall of a body due to the influence of its own gravity". i believe that something like this would happen to our heated mass and make a giant explosion. thus the big bang. you had asked where this heated mass came from in your thread, here i have given my thoughts on that. it is a repeating process that has gone on since the ultimate question you brought up. How was "Something" born from Nothing?
alrighty i know this has been totally long and probably annoying if your not truly interested in the questions of our universe but as i said before i would love to keep debating this with you. if you want send me a message back telling me what you think and we can try to figure out the ultimate questions answer. How WAS something born from Nothing???
_______________________________________________________________
Hey Sleaves, heres a gigantic reply to your thoughts
i have read your answer, and i have to say that i liked it to the point where i didnt want it to end! lol
while its true big bang is not what im searching for, your theory was more interesting than the usual!, and some of what u have already crossed my mind, like forexample "the black hole theory", perhaps black holes are the doorways to "nothingness", since all stars die and some turn into black holes, maybe in the end, black holes will suck everything!, all the black holes will be combined together and the whole universe will be Sucked into nothingness!!
now i know that your answer is somewhat like this, but like i told you, ive also thought of this, and this was my theory in my own words!, but you know what, since our theories match, perhaps, there is some truth to what we say!
however as u can see mine is abit different, because i see black holes as the doorways to "nothingness", i dont know where to begin because i have no limit in my thoughts, but i'll try to explain some
want you to think of everything that u know in our world, and see if u agree, i believe just like us and everything else the universe has some sort of building map, as to what i call "the universes DNA", i believe the universe is made of many rules and laws which are a part of its creation!!, but the original rule which gave birth to many other rule is "Balance"
1."Balance", first and most important law "Balance", divide balance into two, cause and effect are born!!
2."Reason" Or you can say "Cause"
3."effect"
this universe has a rule, i call the Rule of "One"
take a look at the things u know about this universe, and things around you, theres a Balance in everything!, and if there isnt, then a Balance is created!¨
there is light, there is dark
there is life, there is death
there is positive, there is negative
there is gravity, and there is antigravity
there is time, and space "i believe they are oposites, or u could say two sides of the same coin"
there is material, and there is antimaterial!
there is living, there is dead, and then there is that which is both like viruses
if you look at an atom, it contains protons, and electrons, and if u look at a proton or electron, then they are made of quarks which are also negative and positive, and oposites!, so from the biggest things to the smallest things in this universe there is balance!!
lets take an atom forexample, it contains of electrons "negative", and protons "positive", and one more thing "neutrons"!!, in actuality there always is two sides of things, but the sides can always be united and combined!!, take time and space, existence is created, in this case existence is the "neutral",
even the smallest particules can be divided, and ofcourse into nomore than two, exact oposites, take for example quarks!
there is what i call three basic numbers in this universe, and those are 0, 1, and infinity!, some people say infinity and zero are not numbers, but they are wrong!, though it doesnt matter what they are, it matters what they mean!, anyway..
imagine u have an apple in ur hand, cut that apple in two, now u have two pieaces apple, and now i want you to cut those two peaces in half aswell!, how many pieaces do you have now? 4, yes?, well now cut eatch of those 4 pieaces in half aswell!, now you have 8, and so on and so on, keep doing that for as long as possible, cut even the quarks in half, dont stop - what happens?, every time you divde it, it gets more in numbers, but smaller in size!, will it have an end? - considering there are bigger objects out there than an apple, it means it must have a limit!, so it kinda has to reach a point where it cannot be divided anymore! - so what happens when u keep diding the matter over and over again until it reaches its limit?
imagine the apple divided into infinite peaces (only in this case, to make it more diffcult)
and eatch peace are at their limit size where they cannot get divided, because they cannot get smaller!!, what happens if you somehow forcibly divide those undividable peaces?
i believe they will dissappear!!, into nothingness!!
why you ask? - because matter can be divided over and over again, but once it reaches its limit, it means that its as "small" as it can get!!, which means that its at the very borders between "nonexistence" and "existence"!!, when u divide a matter exponentionally, eventually it will come to the point where its neither existence, or nonexistence, and both!! - divided it, and it will turn into nothingness!, square it, and it will turn into existence or matter!!
i believe energy is the link between existence and nonexistence!, when matter cant be divided anymore, it is turned into what we call energy!!
there are three basic numbers 0, 1, and infinity, and they can be divided by eatchother!, in my opinion, infinity divided by infinity = 1, cuz every number divided by itself is one!, 1 divided by infinity = infinity, but i believe if you divided 1 by infinity all at the same "time",as in using all the four dimensions at once, the result will be zero!, but thats a quite arguable subject, so for now i'll leave it be..
anyway my point with all this is that black holes may be able to collapse "nonexistence" with existence!, and the result is that the rules of existence bend! - cuz black holes supposedly have such enormous amount of gravity that it pulls matter into itself many times faster than the Speed of light!! - the speed that einstein said couldnt be surpassed!!, and not even light can pass through it!!, and blackholes do not look like they are fully existent!!, they are black-holes in the universe, space and time!
they truly are inriguing....
i am very sorry if i confused you with all this, and for writing such a huge reply! lol, but i wrote it, and its ur choice to read it or not!, would like to hear ur thoughts though.
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