Saudi Arabian Teen To Be Executed today for Pro-Democracy protests.

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Yeah.

The liberal socialist and I are in rough agreement on Islam.

Since we've been on the subject, lately in this neck of the forums, Hitler both loved and appreciated Islam.

That should tell you something.

Where's that fact from? :lol.

Why is Bill Maher a socialist? lmao.

 

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Where's that fact from? :lol.

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I actually just read up on it. Apparently he genuinely admired Islam :lol.

‘It’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion,” Hitler complained to his pet architect Albert Speer. “Why did it have to be Christianity, with its meekness and flabbiness?” Islam was a Männerreligion—a “religion of men”—and hygienic too. The “soldiers of Islam” received a warrior’s heaven, “a real earthly paradise” with “houris” and “wine flowing.” This, Hitler argued, was much more suited to the “Germanic temperament” than the “Jewish filth and priestly twaddle” of Christianity.

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I actually just read up on it. Apparently he genuinely admired Islam :lol.

lml TF really :|

 

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lml TF really :|

It actually makes sense if you think about it. I mean, Muslims and Jews have never gotten along-their strained relationship predates the whole Israel/Palestine conflict. Hitler hated Jews. Therefore, it makes sense that Islam would be more useful for Hitler's purposes. This is all conjecture from me though..... could be completely off base.

 

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It actually makes sense if you think about it. I mean, Muslims and Jews have never gotten along-their strained relationship predates the whole Israel/Palestine conflict. Hitler hated Jews. Therefore, it makes sense that Islam would be more useful for Hitler's purposes. This is all conjecture from me though..... could be completely off base.

Dunno why people give so much F@#Ks about religion :sigh:

 

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Where's that fact from? :lol.

Why is Bill Maher a socialist? lmao.

He has many quotes like "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France". Mostly because common enemy,Jews and alliance and propaganda. Just like now nobody condemns about Saudi Arabia does because oil and politics.

 

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Dunno why people give so much F@#Ks about religion :sigh:

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. :|

 

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I'm surprised that you're surprised :sdo:
This Country kills Homosexuals, Non-Covered Women, people who commit harmless crimes.

People in Saudi Arabia are not better than the IS.
Or at least the Government needs some sort of change.

"non covered women"
stop spreading bullshit. its a law to wear abaya (i.e overing the body) they get punished for breaking the law but getting killed is not the punishment for that.

 

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Where's that fact from? :lol.

Why is Bill Maher a socialist? lmao.

Hitler probably didn't "love" Islam, but he really did find it more useful to control the population than Christianity.
But Christianity worked too.

 

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Where's that fact from? :lol.

Why is Bill Maher a socialist? lmao.

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He is, more or less, by his own admission and through his own statements about what he believes policy should be.

I can at least, however, respect Maher for being more logical and analytical than he is stock-raving mad. He can even be convinced of when socialism has failed. He may still believe that socialism is the ideal and is the answer - but he can at least understand data collected through scientific methods that show something is not working as it was intended.

Which is more than can be said for those who push socialism as a political tool.

It actually makes sense if you think about it. I mean, Muslims and Jews have never gotten along-their strained relationship predates the whole Israel/Palestine conflict. Hitler hated Jews. Therefore, it makes sense that Islam would be more useful for Hitler's purposes. This is all conjecture from me though..... could be completely off base.

He has many quotes like "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France". Mostly because common enemy,Jews and alliance and propaganda. Just like now nobody condemns about Saudi Arabia does because oil and politics.

Hitler probably didn't "love" Islam, but he really did find it more useful to control the population than Christianity.
But Christianity worked too.

This is a sort of "Yes, but..."

The Reason why Hitler liked Islam is because it -is- a religion of conquest. There is not much in the way of spirituality to be found in the Qu'ran. It is purely a book commanding believers to commit to conquest in the name of a religion.

Hitler was an atheist - or, perhaps more properly, a narcissist who worshiped his own greatness. It was not in Hitler's nature to genuinely grasp a being that was more powerful and knowing than he. Still - he believed God had played a role in helping him survive the first world war and achieve the greatness that he enjoyed.

Still, he believed that Islam was a more proper religion for Germans, who he felt were a 'master race' who were just going to be better than other ethnic groups, and that it was for Germans to conquer the surrounding territories to prevent those countries from imposing economic sanctions to unjustly restrict German ambitions.

Islam is essentially a religion devoted to a God who demands conquest of his followers and the Nazis believed the Germans were blessed with an inherent virtue to be superior to other ethnic/national groups in essentially any task - including governing themselves. Within a twisted sense - some Nazi perspectives were that they were not just seeking retribution for the strict sanctions placed upon them after "The Great War" - but the were also bringing in an era of increased prosperity for all peoples under their rule.

This overlapped well with the Islamic concepts of "Al-Mushrikun" - those non-muslims subjugated to the Islamic State's laws/justice and afforded exemptions from a few of these rules provided they paid the Jizya. Since Islam interprets its laws as being just and those designed to bring about a world 'Allah' would approve of - it's no surprise that they consider allowing others to live within their society while paying a small fee as being 'liberating' to them.

Islam and Nazi visions of State-motivated conquest found a lot of common ground with each other.

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" To achieve that broader dream of a global jihad, the Brotherhood developed a network of underground cells, stole weapons, trained fighters, formed secret assassination squads, founded sleeper cells of subversive supporters in the ranks of the army and police, and waited for the order to go public with terrorism, assassinations, and suicide missions. It was during this time that the Muslim Brotherhood found a soul mate in Nazi Germany.

The Reich offered great power connections to the movement, but the relationship brokered by the Brotherhood was more than a marriage of convenience. Long before the war, al-Banna had developed an Islamic religious ideology which previewed Hitler’s Nazism. Both movements sought world conquest and domination. Both were triumphalist and supremacist (in Nazism the Aryan must rule, while in al-Banna’s Islam, the Muslim religion must hold dominion). Both advocated subordination of the individual to a central power. Both were explicitly anti-nationalist in the sense that they believed in the liquidation of the nation-state in favor of a trans-national unifying community. And both rabidly hated the Jews and sought their destruction.

As the Brotherhood’s political and military alliance with Nazi Germany developed, these parallels facilitated a full-blown alliance, with all the pomp and panoply of formal state visits, de facto ambassadors, and overt as well as sub rosa joint ventures. Al-Banna’s followers easily transplanted into the Arab world a newly Nazified form of traditional Muslim Jew-hatred, with Arab translations of Mein Kampf (translated into Arabic as My Jihad) and other Nazi anti-Semitic works, including Der Sturmer hate-cartoons, adapted to portray the Jew as the demonic enemy of Allah.

When the Second World War broke out, Al-Banna worked to firm up a formal alliance with Hitler and Mussolini. But the best known Nazi sympathizer in the Muslim Brotherhood was the Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and one-time President of the Supreme Muslim Council of Palestine. The Grand Mufti was a bridge figure in terms of transplanting the Nazi genocide in Europe into the post-war Middle East and creating a fascist heritage for the Palestinian national movement.

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The youth organization established by the Mufti used Nazi emblems, names and uniforms. Germany reciprocated by setting up scholarships for Arab students, hiring Arab apprentices at German firms, and inviting Arab party leaders to the Nuremberg party rallies and Arab military leaders to Wehrmacht maneuvers. Most significantly, the German Propaganda Ministry developed strong links with the Grand Mufti and with Arabic newspapers, creating a propaganda legacy that would outlast Husseini, Hitler, and all the other figures of World War II.

In September 1937, Adolf Eichmann and another SS officer carried out an exploratory mission in the Middle East lasting several weeks, and including a friendly productive visit with the Grand Mufti. It was after that visit, in fact, that the Mufti went on the Nazi payroll as a Nazi agent and propagandist. During the Great Arab Revolt of 1936-39, which al-Husseini helped organize and which Germany funded, the swastika was used as a mark of identity on Arabic leaflets and graffiti. Arab children welcomed each other with the Hitler salute, and a sea of German flags and pictures of Hitler were displayed at celebrations.

After meeting with Hitler on November 21, 1941, Husseini praised the Germans because they “know how to get rid of the Jews, and that brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp.” On March 1, 1944, the Mufti called out in a broadcast from Zeesen: “Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. Kill them with your teeth if need be. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor.” His own memoirs, and the testimony of German defendants at the Nuremberg trials later on, showed that he planned a death camp modeled on Auschwitz to be constructed near Nablus for the genocide of Palestine’s Jews.

It was the Mufti who urged Hitler, Himmler, and General Ribbentrop to concentrate Germany’s considerable industrial and military resources on the extermination of European Jewry. The foremost Muslim spiritual leader of his time, he helped in this effort by lobbying to prevent Jews from leaving Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria, even though those governments were initially willing to let them go. As Eichmann himself recounted: “We have promised him [the Mufti] that no European Jew would enter Palestine any more.” "

Emphasis, my own.

I've actually been over all of this, before when I covered the history of Al Qaeda. al-Banna's group, the Muslim Brotherhood, is what became Al Qaeda - which spawned ISIS.

 

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