Sasuke's Training with Orochimaru

[shelke]

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My mistake I remember now. Kakashi trained Sasuke to improve his speed and copy Lee's Taijutsu all to master Chidori properly. He had Sasuke picture Lee's taijutsu with his Sharingan and copy it. He achieved the speed through training not gates. Sasuke has never used any type of Lotus. Kakashi can barely even open the first gate.

Besides, the First Gate does not increase speed so that settles that.

Where did I say he trained in opening gates' limits or learned Lotus? I said he trained for initial gates speed, which would be Lee's weightless speed.

The second two gates add nothing to the speed. Also, since weightless speed is the Intital Gates speed, it is logical that a speed boost occurs on the Initial gate. By how much? It's not known.

 

[Styles]

I know they all were assumptions but it was never ruled out so its a huge possibility. Especially the poison thing.

The drugs was ruled out when Sasuke said he hated how Orochimaru use drugs and stuff for enhancements. The only thing that could be right is his poison immunity.

 

[Jokule67]

The drugs was ruled out when Sasuke said he hated how Orochimaru use drugs and stuff for enhancements. The only thing that could be right is his poison immunity.

I dont give all the credit to the drugs like it may sound like. I mean more like an enhancement that may allow you to do more training, but you do all the work. Athletes use these. Its normal.

 

[Jokule67]

Where did I say he trained in opening gates' limits or learned Lotus? I said he trained for initial gates speed, which would be Lee's weightless speed.

The second two gates add nothing to the speed. Also, since weightless speed is the Intital Gates speed, it is logical that a speed boost occurs on the Initial gate. By how much? It's not known.

Dude first of all the first gate is not called the initial gate its the Gate of Opening which unlocks the Mind. Second it does NOT increase speed, it allows 100% of muscle use. It How many times must I say that to you.

Sasuke trained for Lee's Taijutsu and Speed. How the heck can he train for the first gate when he never saw a gate being opened. Only thing he saw was when Lee whooped his ass.

 

[NarutoX28]

Dude first of all the first gate is not called the initial gate its the Gate of Opening which unlocks the Mind. Second it does NOT increase speed, it allows 100% of muscle use. It How many times must I say that to you.

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No, there are Eight Celestial Gates, each that function to limit the amount of chakra that flows through the body. Just by releasing the Initial Gate releases the brain's restraints to release even more Chakra. Releasing more chakra leads to an increase in both strength and speed.

Not to mention Kimimaro complimented First Gate Lee's speed when he claimed that Lee's movements were very linear earlier:

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[Jokule67]

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No, there are Eight Celestial Gates, each that function to limit the amount of chakra that flows through the body. Just by releasing the Initial Gate releases the brain's restraints to release even more Chakra. Releasing more chakra leads to an increase in both strength and speed.

Not to mention Kimimaro complimented First Gate Lee's speed when he claimed that Lee's movements were very linear earlier:

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Unlocking the first gate does not increase speed. It is not the reason Lee is fast. Lee us fast like that because he trained for it. If someone opens the first gate they dont become blindly fast like Lee. He is fast just by removing weights.

The initial arguement between me and the other guy was if Sasuke's speed was a result of the first gate. It is not and Sasuke cant open any gates.

 

[NarutoX28]

Unlocking the first gate does not increase speed. It is not the reason Lee is fast. Lee us fast like that because he trained for it. If someone opens the first gate they dont become blindly fast like Lee. He is fast just by removing weights.

I disproved this.

In order for you to convince us of otherwise, you have to explain why Lee's speed wouldn't' increase despite the First Gate's releasing the brain's restraints which increases the amount of chakra released which corresponds with an increase of strength and speed.

 

[Styles]

I dont give all the credit to the drugs like it may sound like. I mean more like an enhancement that may allow you to do more training, but you do all the work. Athletes use these. Its normal.

Is such a thing even in NV? Other than food pills?

 

[Aznkidd]

Orochimaru taught Sasuke how to be a man...

 

[Jokule67]

Is such a thing even in NV? Other than food pills?

I dont think they would be specific hence they used the word drugs. But I really dont know. Its not like he needed them anyway.

My thoughts are anything he used maybe sped up muscle recovery or provided more energy for longer training sessions. I use stuff like that when I work out.

 

[Jokule67]

I disproved this.

In order for you to convince us of otherwise, you have to explain why Lee's speed wouldn't' increase despite the First Gate's releasing the brain's restraints which increases the amount of chakra released which corresponds with an increase of strength and speed.

My point was that the initial first gate does not grant blinding speed. It is not the reason Lee or Sasuke disappeared while running. Initial Lotus is for Frontal Lotus only. You have to train for Lee's kind of speed. First gate doesnt grant that.

 

[Angelic.]

i should try drugs:bouncy:

 

[Jokule67]

Where did I say he trained in opening gates' limits or learned Lotus? I said he trained for initial gates speed, which would be Lee's weightless speed.

The second two gates add nothing to the speed. Also, since weightless speed is the Intital Gates speed, it is logical that a speed boost occurs on the Initial gate. By how much? It's not known.

My point was that the initial first gate does not grant blinding speed. It is not the reason Lee or Sasuke disappeared while running. Initial Lotus is for Frontal Lotus only. You have to train for Lee's kind of speed. First gate doesnt grant that.

The Initial gates function is not ti make you blindly fast. That is from their intense training.

 

[fiercerunner]

i should try drugs:bouncy:

Lol no! Don't do that!! Even if it is your birthday :hmm:

 

[veggetta13]

Beautiful thread. Dunno, Kishimoto just showedSasuke traing with oro once and he killed abuynch of dudes at Oro´s hide-out i dissaggree with most of your thread however it is plausible Oro might have guided Saus in chakra manipulation BUT I´d specifically point out THROUGH his Earth seal or anyuthing related WITH it

 

[Styles]

I dont think they would be specific hence they used the word drugs. But I really dont know. Its not like he needed them anyway.

My thoughts are anything he used maybe sped up muscle recovery or provided more energy for longer training sessions. I use stuff like that when I work out.

Ah I see. Dunno then no one knows lol.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

I don't think Oro could've been to contribute to Sasuke's genjutsu capability and skills. I believe Sasuke did that on his own account and personal effort.