Sasuke's Training with Orochimaru

[fiercerunner]

We don't know much about Sasuke's training with Orochimaru during the gap between Part 1 and 2. I'll give my take on it. It probably consisted largely of 4 things:

Chakra capacity & conditioning training

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Oro probably forced Sasuke to train until exhaustion several times to improve his chakra reserves and physical stamina. He did this obviously so Sasuke's body would be in great shape when he took over.

Taijutsu & Kenjutsu training

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I think Oro was responsible for Sasuke's Kenjutsu (swordsmanship) skill and probably worked on his Taijutsu as well, emphasizing projectiles. I think this is why we see such an increase in Sasuke's shuriken proficiency.

Kuchiyose (summoning) training

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As far as we know, Sasuke did not learn how to summon anything in Part 1. Oro not only taught him about summoning contracts with animals, but also helped him make the seals on his forearms for shuriken summoning. My guess is that Sasuke got this piece of training down rather quickly, especially after increasing his chakra reserves.

Genjutsu mastery and resistance training

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I'm sure the two of them worked the hardest on this piece of training in preparation for the fight with Itachi. I believe that this training was designed to counter Tsukuyomi and Genjutsu in general. They probably didn't know for sure whether it would work or not, but I'm sure Sasuke, having experienced the terrors of Tsukuyomi numerous times, was familiar with how it felt and was probably able to guide Oro into simulating a similar Genjutsu (less powerful) so that he could practice. There is no way that he went into his fight with Itachi and was able to break the Tsukuyomi with your average, run-of-the-mill Genjutsu resistance training. It was probably very brutal training.

I propose that Sasuke learned more about Ninjutsu on his own, perhaps by reading Oro's large collection of books. With regards to shape manipulation in Ninjutsu, Sasuke was probably guided only slightly by Oro, if at all. He mostly taught himself shape manipulation, which is why Oro was so surprised to be hit with a Chidori Spear. If Oro didn't know Sasuke could make that Chidori variant, he probably didn't know about Kirin either. I'd wager the only Chidori variant he may have known about was Chidori Nagashi.

 

[Dantee]

Great thread 10/10. Only thing I disagree about is Oro teaching him about shurikens. Sasuke was proficient with shuriken jutsu since the chunin exams.

 

[GenKiDama]

and what is the point of this thread

 

[Angelic.]

oro helped him shine his sword alright

 

[Gerkak]

I think sasuke covered genjutsu and shuriken training on his own

 

[LordJashin]

I think a big one you forgot is chakra change in shape combined with nature. Part 1 sasuke only really could use chidori and fireball. Part 2 Sasuke had shifted his raiton into many forms from chidori stream to chidori senbon all the way up to Kirin.

 

[Bimbonium]

For chakra capacity and conditioning, I see Oro preferring drugs + training (majorly drugs) over training.
Kakashi must have taught him something about shape manipulation for him to master Chidori, he must have heard things about it while learning basic Uchiha fire techniques at home too, and iirc Orochimaru knew about Kirin, he stopped him from using what seemed like Kirin against Naruto at the beginning of shippudden.

 

[PureSkillz]

Didn't Oro stop him from using Kirin at the reunion?

 

[BlacLord™]

Great thread 10/10. Only thing I disagree about is Oro teaching him about shurikens. Sasuke was proficient with shuriken jutsu since the chunin exams.

He was proficient in shurikenjutsu since the Academy days. He was seen hitting with perfect accuracy even then. It's down to his battle proficient clan, who are naturally talented, and trained in the use of a wide range of weapons.

 

[fiercerunner]

I think a big one you forgot is chakra change in shape combined with nature. Part 1 sasuke only really could use chidori and fireball. Part 2 Sasuke had shifted his raiton into many forms from chidori stream to chidori senbon all the way up to Kirin.

I did cover that. Check the paragraph underneath the 4 pieces of training.

I think sasuke covered genjutsu and shuriken training on his own

I disagree. I don’t think Sasuke could have become so masterful with Genjutsu resistance without having a knowledgeable partner to cast Genjutsu on him. But yes, he may have practiced Shuriken completely on his own.

and what is the point of this thread

What’s the point of any thread? As I stated, we don’t know much about Sasuke’s time with Orochimaru. I wanted to post my thoughts.

For chakra capacity and conditioning, I see Oro preferring drugs + training (majorly drugs) over training.
Kakashi must have taught him something about shape manipulation for him to master Chidori, he must have heard things about it while learning basic Uchiha fire techniques at home too, and iirc Orochimaru knew about Kirin, he stopped him from using what seemed like Kirin against Naruto at the beginning of shippudden.

You’re probably right. That makes sense.

 

[BlacLord™]

For chakra capacity and conditioning, I see Oro preferring drugs + training (majorly drugs) over training.
Kakashi must have taught him something about shape manipulation for him to master Chidori, he must have heard things about it while learning basic Uchiha fire techniques at home too, and iirc Orochimaru knew about Kirin, he stopped him from using what seemed like Kirin against Naruto at the beginning of shippudden.

Sasuke wouldn't use drugs. Sakura didn't say that either; she said she was so surprised by his growth that it was like he used drugs. Dunno why she would think that an Uchiha genius wouldn't grow by leaps and bounds after a couple of years of intensive training. Besides, drugs can't make you more skilled, they can only make you more powerful/faster for a temporary period.

 

[A$AP Wap]

but naruto just learned a bigger rasengan with Jiraiya but still ended up stronger gg

 

[Bimbonium]

Sasuke wouldn't use drugs. Sakura didn't say that either; she said she was so surprised by his growth that it was like he used drugs. Dunno why she would think that an Uchiha genius wouldn't grow by leaps and bounds after a couple of years of intensive training. Besides, drugs can't make you more skilled, they can only make you more powerful/faster for a temporary period.

@bold, I thought so too, but then I remembered his premise for accepting the curse seal, so yes part 1 Sasuke could have used drugs.
I don't remember where Sakura talked about Sasuke and drugs.

 

[Styles]

For chakra capacity and conditioning, I see Oro preferring drugs + training (majorly drugs) over training.
Kakashi must have taught him something about shape manipulation for him to master Chidori, he must have heard things about it while learning basic Uchiha fire techniques at home too, and iirc Orochimaru knew about Kirin, he stopped him from using what seemed like Kirin against Naruto at the beginning of shippudden.

I doubt Sasuke would use drugs since he himself told Orochimaru on how he hated how he used drugs etc to attain what he wanted and experiment on other's. Aside from that awakening pill or w/e he used in part 1. But he's always been a fast learner even in part 1.

 

[Pyro NB]

Interesting. This makes a lot of sense.

 

[Nick01]

For chakra capacity and conditioning, I see Oro preferring drugs + training (majorly drugs) over training.
Kakashi must have taught him something about shape manipulation for him to master Chidori, he must have heard things about it while learning basic Uchiha fire techniques at home too, and iirc Orochimaru knew about Kirin, he stopped him from using what seemed like Kirin against Naruto at the beginning of shippudden.

This.

 

[BlacLord™]

@bold, I thought so too, but then I remembered his premise for accepting the curse seal, so yes part 1 Sasuke could have used drugs.
I don't remember where Sakura talked about Sasuke and drugs.

As far as I can remember, he only took Seishingan. And even then, he was aware they were to kill him as part of the ritual for CS2.

 

[Jokule67]

Great thread 10/10. Only thing I disagree about is Oro teaching him about shurikens. Sasuke was proficient with shuriken jutsu since the chunin exams.

Another thing is Oro did know about Kirin but I give the credit to Sasuke on that

 

[Jokule67]

@bold, I thought so too, but then I remembered his premise for accepting the curse seal, so yes part 1 Sasuke could have used drugs.
I don't remember where Sakura talked about Sasuke and drugs.

Oro trained his body to resist poison and I think Kakashi mentioned something about drugs but I doubt it was excessive.

 

[LordJashin]

Sasuke wouldn't use drugs. Sakura didn't say that either; she said she was so surprised by his growth that it was like he used drugs. Dunno why she would think that an Uchiha genius wouldn't grow by leaps and bounds after a couple of years of intensive training. Besides, drugs can't make you more skilled, they can only make you more powerful/faster for a temporary period.

He's most certainly had some hacks. Like Anko he had immunity to poisons. But yeah sasuke has always been skilled.

but naruto just learned a bigger rasengan with Jiraiya but still ended up stronger gg

Naruto was transforming with up to 4 tails during that time though. He almost got Jirayai. Naruto has always been crazy strong. He was just too much of a dunce to fully control it then.

Sharingan is such a hack.