Sasuke's talk of revenge is not justified

[saw2097]

Like I said in my post: everybody is unique and doesn't react the same way as somebody else. You can't say Sasuke should act like the others because they went through something similar. The world doesn't work that way. Everybody reacts different to situations and that's what Kishimoto-sensei is trying to show: while some experience similar situations, they don't react the same.

And it's because he loves his brother that he wants to take revenge for him.

This is true, everyone reacts differently to the same stimuli.

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

Karins left ball?

ur a retard are'nt u

 

[Jman1997]

Naruto didn't SEE his whole clan get eradicated by his brother did he? And the thing is, sasuke had bonds and ties with his family that he's spent his whole life building, especially the bond with his father, and then now that he's finally made those bonds, he just lost all that in one night. And the fact that it was his beloved brother, that messes with your head. And not to mention that itachi put him on the path of revenge, he told sasuke to get stronger and to hate him, and that one day he should find him and face him.

 

[Jman1997]

Just to let you know, don't take the example of naruto because they were different cases
Naruto HATED Kyuubi at first. His thoughts changed because his dad entrusted him with the kyuubi to save the world. Plus, kyuubi too was like a parent to naruto he was there with him throughout his life.
As for sasuke, sasuke had no friends to guide him, he was approached from evil and he lurked into darkness to obtain power for revenge.
It's a tragedy-- an eye for an eye situation
Neither good nor evil imo

I like this answer.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Naruto didn't SEE his whole clan get eradicated by his brother did he? And the thing is, sasuke had bonds and ties with his family that he's spent his whole life building, especially the bond with his father, and then now that he's finally made those bonds, he just lost all that in one night. And the fact that it was his beloved brother, that messes with your head. And not to mention that itachi put him on the path of revenge, he told sasuke to get stronger and to hate him, and that one day he should find him and face him.

Many people losed luvd ones like sasuke,its a shinobi world.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

This is true, everyone reacts differently to the same stimuli.

Yeah true story

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

u cannot compare mito and kushina to sasuke they werent there when there clan got wiped out

most likely they cried about it except kushina she was only a child so she probably didnt understand

and many say the read the manga but u dont cause i remember sasuke explainging how and why he kill all the shinobi in the leaf cause they wouldn't let him kill those those old geezers

and right now he is thinking on the why how who what when and where and should he do it.

It was a time of war,kushina was taken away from uzushiogakure to avoid dying,she probably saw one or two of herclan dead,and she was sasukes age or older infact.

 

[The Work]

Gosh, how is Sasuke suppose to restore his clan when him and Naruto will kill each other

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Gosh, how is Sasuke suppose to restore his clan when him and Naruto will kill each other

They won't die

 

[shelke]

Funny thing: Naruto's parents CHOSE to die. They were not killed. If Naruto is buddies with his parents' killer then he's the one who should be ashamed of his stupid behaviour, which is as always bordering on idiocy. Honestly, if Kurama killed Kushina and Mintao then it was justified. Why were they trapping the beast for their village's political power for creating a human weapon when it wanted to be free? I have no sympathy for them.

As far as your other justifications go then they are naive if anything else. Taking Revenge is a noble act and requires courage. Only those people forget their slaughtered kith and kin who lack the courage and strength to even the odds. Think about this. Also, different people think differently. Why SHOULD Sasuke entertain Naruto's logic? Can someone please explain this conundrum to me, along with Itachi's?

 

[saw2097]

Funny thing: Naruto's parents CHOSE to die. They were not killed. If Naruto is buddies with his parents' killer then he's the one who should be ashamed of his stupid behaviour, which is as always bordering on idiocy. Honestly, if Kurama killed Kushina and Mintao then it was justified. Why were they trapping the beast for their village's political power for creating a human weapon when it wanted to be free? I have no sympathy for them.

As far as your other justifications go then they are naive if anything else. Taking Revenge is a noble act and requires courage. Only those people forget their slaughtered kith and kin who lack the courage and strength to even the odds. Think about this. Also, different people think differently. Why SHOULD Sasuke entertain Naruto's logic? Can someone please explain this conundrum to me, along with Itachi's?

By that arguement, every murderer in prison should be released.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Funny thing: Naruto's parents CHOSE to die. They were not killed. If Naruto is buddies with his parents' killer then he's the one who should be ashamed of his stupid behaviour, which is as always bordering on idiocy. Honestly, if Kurama killed Kushina and Mintao then it was justified. Why were they trapping the beast for their village's political power for creating a human weapon when it wanted to be free? I have no sympathy for them.

As far as your other justifications go then they are naive if anything else. Taking Revenge is a noble act and requires courage. Only those people forget their slaughtered kith and kin who lack the courage and strength to even the odds. Think about this. Also, different people think differently. Why SHOULD Sasuke entertain Naruto's logic? Can someone please explain this conundrum to me, along with Itachi's?

While I agree with the last part that Sasuke shouldn't be forced to follow Naruto's logic, I'm not agreeing with the first part. Minato and Kushina sacrificed themselves to save the village from more deaths. They only saw one solution to stop the Kyuubi and that let to them sacrificing themselves to keep everyone else safe.

Also, while it is true that a Jinchuuriki gave a village the false security of having a secret weapon that kept the balance sort of in the shinobi world, there is another reason for sealing the bijuu: to keep the rest of the world safe. The bijuu are now more reasonable but in the beginning of the story, it was clear that they would have destroyed the world if they were let free. They are too powerful to roam around freely and nobody would have been safe if a bijuu decided to attack. It would have been something else if they killed the bijuu, but that is 1) not possible and 2) they got sealed, so would you have been okay with population dying because a bijuu decided to attack?

It's possible they gained that hatred because they got sealed, but even the Sage of the 6 Paths had sealed the bijuu for a reason. They are simply too powerful and potentially dangerous to let them roam around freely (of course now it's probably another situation, but back then it was either sealing the bijuu and ensuring the safety of the people or have the people dying in case a bijuu attacked)

And revenge isn't noble. It's dark, it's traumatic and warps the mind; nothing noble about that. It's just continuing the circle, leaving the people taking revenge drenched in blood and until someone stops the cycle, there would never be an end to the bloodshed that would inevitably occur because of the revenge.
So while I understand Sasuke's need for revenge, it's not the right course to take, no matter how right it seems to him

 

[saw2097]

While I agree with the last part that Sasuke shouldn't be forced to follow Naruto's logic, I'm not agreeing with the first part. Minato and Kushina sacrificed themselves to save the village from more deaths. They only saw one solution to stop the Kyuubi and that let to them sacrificing themselves to keep everyone else safe.

Also, while it is true that a Jinchuuriki gave a village the false security of having a secret weapon that kept the balance sort of in the shinobi world, there is another reason for sealing the bijuu: to keep the rest of the world safe. The bijuu are now more reasonable but in the beginning of the story, it was clear that they would have destroyed the world if they were let free. They are too powerful to roam around freely and nobody would have been safe if a bijuu decided to attack. It would have been something else if they killed the bijuu, but that is 1) not possible and 2) they got sealed, so would you have been okay with population dying because a bijuu decided to attack?

It's possible they gained that hatred because they got sealed, but even the Sage of the 6 Paths had sealed the bijuu for a reason. They are simply too powerful and potentially dangerous to let them roam around freely (of course now it's probably another situation, but back then it was either sealing the bijuu and ensuring the safety of the people or have the people dying in case a bijuu attacked)

And revenge isn't noble. It's dark, it's traumatic and warps the mind; nothing noble about that. It's just continuing the circle, leaving the people taking revenge drenched in blood and until someone stops the cycle, there would never be an end to the bloodshed that would inevitably occur because of the revenge.
So while I understand Sasuke's need for revenge, it's not the right course to take, no matter how right it seems to him

What this guy said. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes things worse and makes the one seeking revenge no better then ones responsible for his suffering.

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[Lana Del Taka]

Sorry but your just asking for flaming and please use the search bar

 

[Baka Sennin]

Since the uchiha massacre Itachi made sure to put Sasuke on a path of revenge by twice torturing him with Tsukuyomi, and Orochimaru tempted Sasuke with the power he craved at the perfect time, his perceptions twisted by Itachi and Orochimaru. Sasuke became consumed by hatred, and once the rug was swept out from under his feet by Tobi, he needed a new target. Sasuke could never have been a healthy person, even if Tobi had never met him.

 

[Gunsmoke258]

Does anyone think that if they only killed the guilty Uchiha they would be leaving innocents who have the capability of activating the sharingan and hating the Leaf, pushing them to do anything for vengence such as killing best friend to get mangekyo??

 

[shelke]

While I agree with the last part that Sasuke shouldn't be forced to follow Naruto's logic, I'm not agreeing with the first part. Minato and Kushina sacrificed themselves to save the village from more deaths. They only saw one solution to stop the Kyuubi and that let to them sacrificing themselves to keep everyone else safe.

Also, while it is true that a Jinchuuriki gave a village the false security of having a secret weapon that kept the balance sort of in the shinobi world, there is another reason for sealing the bijuu: to keep the rest of the world safe. The bijuu are now more reasonable but in the beginning of the story, it was clear that they would have destroyed the world if they were let free. They are too powerful to roam around freely and nobody would have been safe if a bijuu decided to attack. It would have been something else if they killed the bijuu, but that is 1) not possible and 2) they got sealed, so would you have been okay with population dying because a bijuu decided to attack?

It's possible they gained that hatred because they got sealed, but even the Sage of the 6 Paths had sealed the bijuu for a reason. They are simply too powerful and potentially dangerous to let them roam around freely (of course now it's probably another situation, but back then it was either sealing the bijuu and ensuring the safety of the people or have the people dying in case a bijuu attacked)

And revenge isn't noble. It's dark, it's traumatic and warps the mind; nothing noble about that. It's just continuing the circle, leaving the people taking revenge drenched in blood and until someone stops the cycle, there would never be an end to the bloodshed that would inevitably occur because of the revenge.
So while I understand Sasuke's need for revenge, it's not the right course to take, no matter how right it seems to him

Your first point is strange, as they fought for nationalistic non-sense and left their son to rot in the world. He was hated by the village, people played fatal pranks on him...nice of you to wrap some sort of pretty 'life saving' bow around it.

Revenge WAS a noble act in olden times. Just because democracy has given into the sham of mass-genocides for public good, political plays, lawyers games, and new-age morbidity surrounding law in general doesn't take away the fact that it settles the issues cleanly. Those words you used are straight out of a man's fairy tale. Real life is a lot more crude in this regard, and a person that truly suffers the toils of war doesn't give in to this childish philosophy.

By that arguement, every murderer in prison should be released.

Kindly apply this argument to Manga first and the skewed policies of the leaders.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Your first point is strange, as they fought for nationalistic non-sense and left their son to rot in the world. He was hated by the village, people played fatal pranks on him...nice of you to wrap some sort of pretty 'life saving' bow around it.

Revenge WAS a noble act in olden times. Just because democracy has given into the sham of mass-genocides for public good, political plays, lawyers games, and new-age morbidity surrounding law in general doesn't take away the fact that it settles the issues cleanly. Those words you used are straight out of a man's fairy tale. Real life is a lot more crude in this regard, and a person that truly suffers the toils of war doesn't give in to this childish philosophy.

Minato was Hokage during that time and a Hokage is supposed to protect the village at all costs. Also he and Kushina couldn't have known that their son would be treated that way. They thought he would be regarded as a hero because by turning into a Jinchuuriki he saved the village from further destruction. It's not like they could see in the future and see how their son would be treated. Maybe the Third Hokage should have been firmer and told the public to stop treating Naruto like a monster. The public shouldn't have been so narrowminded, but unfortunately they were - that's not Minato's or Kushina's fault. Their only mistake was believing in the goodness of the villagers and trusting them to be grateful towards Naruto.

Revenge doesn't settle issues cleanly. If anything it gives cause to more revenge. If A hurt B's family for example, B takes revenge on A. However the family of A would want to take revenge as well because one of their own suffered. So they attack B's family again. To which B will most certainly react against. And so the cycle of revenge will never stop. It will continue going on, creating more and more bloodshed until someone finally stops the madness. That is the truth of revenge: it doesn't settle any issues cleanly - if anything it creates more issues because when would the revenge taking stop?

My words are not taken out of a fairy tale - I'm just using common sense. Revenge never solved anything. Until someone stops the cycle, it only creates more problems because each party believes he's in the right to take revenge.

Like I said: while I understand why Sasuke would like to take revenge, it isn't the right course.

 

[saw2097]

If Sasuke takes revenge then he is as bad if not worse then Danzo. Sasuke just wants to kill and seek vengeance, which has resulted in him becoming a criminal and betray all of his friends. Revenge is for fools.

 

[shelke]

^ Your opinions. That cycle of revenge talk is never realistic. Good or evil do not come into play here, and common sense should be applied on the first mistake and lot the later ones. Had Tobirama not segregated the clan, the elders not slaughtered the clan completely, this never would've happened. What goes around comes around. Konoho should get its just deserts.