Sasuke's speed issue.

[Tyrance sasuke]

What's even worse is that those examples in the link are tips to help you (or your players if you are a coach of some sort) improve your reaction time. They aren't all examples of reaction time itself. But of course this clown would know this if he read it with his head outside of his ass and not inside.



Hilarious. :lol This is coming from the same guy who was making excuses a few posts ago as for why he didn't provide scans or reference anything from the Manga.

Spare us the nonsense kid. Everything I stated is backed by the Naruto Manga. Sadly I can't say the same for you. First the databook lied, now Jugo, Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, Hiruzen and Tobirama are all on Ay's level of speed. The Sasuke bit really kills me considering he was shown to not even be able to follow Ay's movements in their fight.

But you wouldn't know that as you don't read the Manga. :lol

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Definitely on par.

I think you got too carried away with your points that you dug your own hole. Sasuke isnt on par with A? Hahahaha true joke , sasuke dipped into the belly of A , and if you dont consider that "on par" , NB should give you " Most retarded guy on base" award. You gotta be kidding me. You keep the facade of a brilliant debater but deep inside your some other stubborn guy, trying to validate yourself by ignoring every noteworthy argument..... thats your obviously regular trick of maintaining your intellectual image in this website, aint i right? None of these guys who you said arent comparable to A on speed were famous "saviours" like minato who participated in famous wars. They're unknown almost low-profile individuals like jugo and karin, suigetsu never participated in a war. You can measure thier speed skill with feats. Jugo with sage mode transformation was capable of pushing A V1 into a corner which even Cee was surprised and said " Im amazed these guys are keeping up with raikage ". If jugo wasnt on par with V1 raikage he wouldnt be able to corner him into the wall. Consider this is uncontrollable jugo. If he has mastered his powers he might as well be on par with V2 A. I love how your stubborn ass completely ignored glad of war's@ Sasuke-on-par argument and blamed hiruzen for being a speedster whom you didnt expect to be so. Sasuke didnt keep up with A with just bare speed , I'll accept, but his chidori added speed still matched V2 A speed. Suigetsu was equalizing with darui, who is the 2nd fastest guy in kumo after A as he was made a division captain. Hiruzen was called " god of shinobi" so what's to tell he isnt fast as A or cant be on par with him? You cant be a "god" if you cant keep up with your opponent's speed. You're comparing eye keeping up speed with body keeping up speed. Completely irrelevant. Sasuke was standing with Susanoo there, if he was moving a bit, then he couldve kept up with A. As with base sharingan and chidori he could stab A.

 

[Glad Of War]

I think you got too carried away with your points that you dug your own hole. Sasuke isnt on par with A? Hahahaha true joke , sasuke dipped into the belly of A , and if you dont consider that "on par" , NB should give you " Most retarded guy on base" award. You gotta be kidding me. You keep the facade of a brilliant debater but deep inside your some other stubborn guy, trying to validate yourself by ignoring every noteworthy argument..... thats your obviously regular trick of maintaining your intellectual image in this website, aint i right? None of these guys who you said arent comparable to A on speed were famous "saviours" like minato who participated in famous wars. They're unknown almost low-profile individuals like jugo and karin, suigetsu never participated in a war. You can measure thier speed skill with feats. Jugo with sage mode transformation was capable of pushing A V1 into a corner which even Cee was surprised and said " Im amazed these guys are keeping up with raikage ". If jugo wasnt on par with V1 raikage he wouldnt be able to corner him into the wall. Consider this is uncontrollable jugo. If he has mastered his powers he might as well be on par with V2 A. I love how your stubborn ass completely ignored glad of war's@ Sasuke-on-par argument and blamed hiruzen for being a speedster whom you didnt expect to be so. Sasuke didnt keep up with A with just bare speed , I'll accept, but his chidori added speed still matched V2 A speed. Suigetsu was equalizing with darui, who is the 2nd fastest guy in kumo after A as he was made a division captain. Hiruzen was called " god of shinobi" so what's to tell he isnt fast as A or cant be on par with him? You cant be a "god" if you cant keep up with your opponent's speed. You're comparing eye keeping up speed with body keeping up speed. Completely irrelevant. Sasuke was standing with Susanoo there, if he was moving a bit, then he couldve kept up with A. As with base sharingan and chidori he could stab A.

"You keep the facade of a brilliant debater but deep inside your some other stubborn guy, trying to validate yourself by ignoring every noteworthy. argument..... thats your obviously regular trick of maintaining your intellectual image in this website,"

I've actually come to realise this. Kidgamer has a semblance of a brilliant debater but in truth, he's a terrible debater. This is an inference from his inability to admit when he's wrong. He's stubborn, dogmatic, and intolerable. He has a trick which he usually employs. Specifically, when he's proven wrong, he disvalues the point to an extent it conceives another point. His action is somewhat a variant of red-herring granted the definition is when someone attempts to rebut an argument by bringing up a completely unrelated point. Kidgamer doesn't attempt to rebut the argument, he goes over it while saying it's insubstantial until the argument forms another argument. Then, he will began to attack the neoteric argument. If it doesn't support his claim, he goes over it again. In short, it becomes an indefinite cycle which he clings until the opposition gives up.

He also has a knack of using a concept which he had earlier rebuked. Case in point; saying I can't use logic to disprove what the Databook stated, yet went out of the way and tried to use logic to disprove the Databook because it doesn't support his claim.

Furthermore, he can't comprehend anything, or he refused to comprehend. Either way, it proves he has a brain of a four year old. On the same note, he describe people as kids, yet he goes around evoking Ad Hominem, whilst refusing to admit when he's wrong. This is a grown ass man we're talking about here. So he has indicated from his incessant preference to call other kids.

It's sad, me, the presumed kid is acting like the grown up.

 

[chaos control]

Teleportation is shunshin tho. Which Naruto is only faster with RSM. Sasuke isn't far behind with his shunshin but his transportation ability makes him faster.

Despite the names and nicknames of jutsus, teleportation via space-time jutsus (such as amenotejikara and ftg) is not the same as shunshin. Even though shunshin (a.k.a body flicker) is sometimes referred to as teleportation jutsu, and space-time techniques like ftg are sometimes referred to as shunshin, the two types of techniques actually work differently on a fundamental level.

Specifically, a space time technique actually warps the user through the fabric of time and space (usually by traversing through some kind of wormhole, other dimension, or interdimensional void or barrier).

Shunshin on the other hand is literally just very fast movement.

In other words, if there is a brick wall in front of Sasuke then:

If Sasuke tries to amenotejkara in a forward direction, then he will just warp past the wall (or even swap places with the wall due to the nature of amenotejikara).

If Sasuke tries to shunshin in a forward direction, then he simply slams face first into a brick wall.

Do you see the difference?

 

[Styles]

Despite the names and nicknames of jutsus, teleportation via space-time jutsus (such as amenotejikara and ftg) is not the same as shunshin. Even though shunshin (a.k.a body flicker) is sometimes referred to as teleportation jutsu, and space-time techniques like ftg are sometimes referred to as shunshin, the two types of techniques actually work differently on a fundamental level.

Specifically, a space time technique actually warps the user through the fabric of time and space (usually by traversing through some kind of wormhole, other dimension, or interdimensional void or barrier).

Shunshin on the other hand is literally just very fast movement.

In other words, if there is a brick wall in front of Sasuke then:

If Sasuke tries to amenotejkara in a forward direction, then he will just warp past the wall (or even swap places with the wall due to the nature of amenotejikara).

If Sasuke tries to shunshin in a forward direction, then he simply slams face first into a brick wall.

Do you see the difference?

What are you talking about tho? I never said they're the same thing. Just that shunshin in the manga is mostly refered to teleportation while Ameno(ST) is refered to as transportation in the manga.

 

[KidGamer65]

"Never said it was direct nor does it need to be direct."

But it's an implication of your statement.

It wasn't.

"Except he didn't. When Ay went full speed it was STATED THAT HE Cannot FOLLOW AY'S MOVEMENTS."

He did. I just proved it.

You didn't prove that Sasuke can follow V2 Ay's movements and keep up with him.

"Irrelevant. That's not all that anticipation involves, otherwise everyone"

Too bad not everyone was attacking Ay.

Irrelevant.

"Yes, extending your arms to tag someone in response"

Except you are not actually responding to an action when tagging.

He did that in response to Obito's attack. Try again.

"Also not a rebuttal. I could flame your bitc h ass all"

Yet he calls me a kid? Also, it refutes your point, so it's a rebuttal.

Except it doesn't.

"How about you scroll up you lazy dumbass?"

Why would I? The burden of proof is on you.

I posted the proof. You're just too much of a lazy little shit to look for it.

Like I said, you don't have an argument anymore. Go quote some else. All you are doing at this point is running your mouth like some hurt little bitch. Take that shit elsewhere son.

That scan was after C had claimed Sasuke would no longer be able to read Ay's movement with his Sharingan, you do realize that?

Irrelevant. Did Sasuke keep up with Ay in V2? Yes or no? No, now shut your dumbass up and stop arguing against fact.

I think you got too carried away with your points that you dug your own hole. Sasuke isnt on par with A? Hahahaha true joke , sasuke dipped into the belly of A , and if you dont consider that "on par" , NB should give you " Most retarded guy on base" award. You gotta be kidding me. You keep the facade of a brilliant debater but deep inside your some other stubborn guy, trying to validate yourself by ignoring every noteworthy argument..... thats your obviously regular trick of maintaining your intellectual image in this website, aint i right? None of these guys who you said arent comparable to A on speed were famous "saviours" like minato who participated in famous wars. They're unknown almost low-profile individuals like jugo and karin, suigetsu never participated in a war. You can measure thier speed skill with feats. Jugo with sage mode transformation was capable of pushing A V1 into a corner which even Cee was surprised and said " Im amazed these guys are keeping up with raikage ". If jugo wasnt on par with V1 raikage he wouldnt be able to corner him into the wall. Consider this is uncontrollable jugo. If he has mastered his powers he might as well be on par with V2 A. I love how your stubborn ass completely ignored glad of war's@ Sasuke-on-par argument and blamed hiruzen for being a speedster whom you didnt expect to be so. Sasuke didnt keep up with A with just bare speed , I'll accept, but his chidori added speed still matched V2 A speed. Suigetsu was equalizing with darui, who is the 2nd fastest guy in kumo after A as he was made a division captain. Hiruzen was called " god of shinobi" so what's to tell he isnt fast as A or cant be on par with him? You cant be a "god" if you cant keep up with your opponent's speed. You're comparing eye keeping up speed with body keeping up speed. Completely irrelevant. Sasuke was standing with Susanoo there, if he was moving a bit, then he couldve kept up with A. As with base sharingan and chidori he could stab A.

:lol You stupid ass kids on this site really love to talk out of your ass. Sasuke was able to keep up with V1 Ay. This whole discussion has been about V2 Ay. Top speed Ay. The rest I do not care about. Go make excuses to someone who cares enough to read them.

And this is really coming from one of the worst trolls I've seen on this site in a while. Kids who whine and cry when they are proven wrong in some pathetic attempt to save face on a naruto forum where you are nothing but a username and an avatar. :lol

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

And this is really coming from one of the worst trolls I've seen on this site in a while. Kids who whine and cry when they are proven wrong in some pathetic attempt to save face on a naruto forum where you are nothing but a username and an avatar. :lol

Well A was using V2 until then , when he saw the MS, he was ramping himself up with chakra to execute shunshin no jutsu :-

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[KidGamer65]

Well A was using V2 until then , when he saw the MS, he was ramping himself up with chakra to execute shunshin no jutsu :-

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No. Go read the Manga before posting scans from it.

-Ay starts in V1. Jugo can barely react to him (no, that's not keeping up.) Sasuke can keep up with him.
-Ay enters V2 in the scan you posted above in response to seeing the Mangekyo.
-Ay uses Shunshin, Sasuke CANNOT FOLLOW HIS MOVEMENTS thus falls back on Susanoo and Enton.

Which part of this is Sasuke keeping up with top speed Ay? Go on, I'll wait.

 

[New Dawn]

No. Go read the Manga before posting scans from it.

-Ay starts in V1. Jugo can barely react to him (no, that's not keeping up.) Sasuke can keep up with him.
-Ay enters V2 in the scan you posted above in response to seeing the Mangekyo.
-Ay uses Shunshin, Sasuke CANNOT FOLLOW HIS MOVEMENTS thus falls back on Susanoo and Enton.

Which part of this is Sasuke keeping up with top speed Ay? Go on, I'll wait.

Would controlling enton to counter Ay's blows be counted as keeping up? He got enton control.

 

[KidGamer65]

Would controlling enton to counter Ay's blows be counted as keeping up? He got enton control.

In the sense that he's keeping up in the fight, yeah. When talking about speed though?

Nah. :lol

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

No. Go read the Manga before posting scans from it.

-Ay starts in V1. Jugo can barely react to him (no, that's not keeping up.) Sasuke can keep up with him.
-Ay enters V2 in the scan you posted above in response to seeing the Mangekyo.
-Ay uses Shunshin, Sasuke CANNOT FOLLOW HIS MOVEMENTS thus falls back on Susanoo and Enton.

Which part of this is Sasuke keeping up with top speed Ay? Go on, I'll wait.

Ay was using V2. V2 =/= shunshin no jutsu. When he goes V1 , blue aura covers him. When he goes V2 raiton chakra covers him. When sasuke hit him with chidori, Lightning chakra was fuming from him. So he was using V2 at that time. He was ramping up extra chakra since even his V2 isnt capable of dodging mangekyou. The scan is clear.

 

[kiiro]

Yet he wasn't far away. And Sasuke could still read his movement's. Nice try though.

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Who said he was faster? He still blitz Momoshiki Naruto did too. Which is a speed feat. :|

No Minato was hailed as the fasted because of FTG even Ay thought he couldn't be surpassed in speed and admitted inferiority to Minato in speed due to FTG. It's like you're arguing just to argue.

Ay said two different thing.
1.- I am the fastest now that the fourth isnt alive. (Speed)
2.- We fought many time, there was never a man that could surpass him (Fight, Strength)

He did not mention FTG. And Obito was flying away. It was not an CQC combat. Try harder.

This is a close combat.

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And grown up Naruto an Sasuke must be stronger than Minato since Naruto objective was that and Sasuke is equal to Naruto.

 

[kiiro]

Let me ask you, what on earth are you basing this of off? [/QUOTE]

Basing what part?

Itachi is known for genjutsu but he could even be faster than minato, why? Because every guy gets his nickname from the field he/she is best at. Not in a field he/she is just good at. Itachi's genjutsu overshadows his speed, the reason he is known for it. Minato's best ability is his speed amplified by hiraishin, he isnt that good in any other field so the nickname.

Oh yeah. He is not good at any other field :v
But you say Itachi is known for his genjutsu but he can be faster than Minato? Aren't you contradicting yourself? Since Itachi is good at genjutsu he cant be good at speed.

Doesnt mean people like itachi or kakuzu arent faster than him. Also to gain reputation, one should become well known, no one knew might guy's power until the war....no one knows pains abilities, since he didnt go celebrity. Likewise, if itachi doesnt reveal his true speed or hasnt fought many famous battles, then people cant analyse his true strength hence no nickname. But we could clearly see someone like hidan was keeping up with kakashi and outspeeding him, despite kakashi being almost equal to guy and fourth hokage in speed. 4th doesnt even have feats with just footspeed.

Kakashi = Gai = Minato????? From where you get this. Read the manga and look for his feats if you dont know them

All he has are 94% hiraishin and 6% shunshin. No bare footspeed.

Whatever you say.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ay was using V2. V2 =/= shunshin no jutsu. When he goes V1 , blue aura covers him. When he goes V2 raiton chakra covers him. When sasuke hit him with chidori, Lightning chakra was fuming from him. So he was using V2 at that time. He was ramping up extra chakra since even his V2 isnt capable of dodging mangekyou. The scan is clear.

Please don't be an idiot. V1 is when Ay's hair is flat. V2 is when it's up. Nothing more. I do not care about your opinion on a matter the Manga has answered.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Please don't be an idiot. V1 is when Ay's hair is flat. V2 is when it's up. Nothing more. I do not care about your opinion on a matter the Manga has answered.

Again Wrong. His hair goes up when he ramps chakra on the level of biju as karin noted. To do shunshin. Anything other than that is your fanfic. He was using V2 when he hit sasuke. He was using V1 against jugo. Cee noted if A releases V2 , he will have more reaction speed than the 4th. After Cee statement , A released V2. Sasuke managed to hit. Then C saw mangekyou. So he said A is gonna counter it with shunshin. 'Raikage is gonna use the shunshin jutsu to counter MS' --> he cant counter MS with V2. Only sharingan. Read the manga clearly before you post. Then shisui is using V2 if your post is correct.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Let me ask you, what on earth are you basing this of off?

Basing what part?

Minato is the fastest in foot speed?

Oh yeah. He is not good at any other field :v
But you say Itachi is known for his genjutsu but he can be faster than Minato? Aren't you contradicting yourself? Since Itachi is good at genjutsu he cant be good at speed.

If itachi = 4 in speed and minato = 3.5 in speed , itachi will be known as faster. But.....if itachi has 5 in genjutsu and minato has 3 in genjutsu , which of them will be popular in which field? Even though itachi is faster , minato will be known for speed , since itachi's master field is in genjutsu. Plus, itachi has never participated in the war stated in db he got no fame or reputation. Same for hidan and kakuzu.

Kakashi = Gai = Minato????? From where you get this. Read the manga and look for his feats if you dont know them

Kakashi was keeping up with minato , even overpowering him in base speed during the training bell session.

Whatever you say.

Okay.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Stop being an idiot. When he ramps up his chakra his hair spikes up as shown. He fought Jugo in the same state he fought Sasuke in so I have no idea how you think this garbage in your post makes any sense.

v1=hair down.
v2=hair up.

End of story. I don't care about your fanfiction or your stupid theoretical garbage you think is fact.

Dont be so arrogant. You know what is right here , and that doesnt include your fanfic. To embarrass you more , i'll post a scan.

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'The lighting which increases nerve transmission and the lightning which covers the body' -->Lighting(Blue aura) = V1 , Lightning covering body(Lightning armour) = V2. No mention of shunshin in the databook. Except in your homemade fanfic. Hair spiking is the result of sudden ramp of chakra like karin noted when he was building up.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dont be so arrogant. You know what is right here , and that doesnt include your fanfic. To embarrass you more , i'll post a scan.

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'The lighting which increases nerve transmission and the lightning which covers the body' -->Lighting(Blue aura) = V1 , Lightning covering body(Lightning armour) = V2. No mention of shunshin in the databook. Except in your homemade fanfic. Hair spiking is the result of sudden ramp of chakra like karin noted when he was building up.

Wrong and wrong. Try again next time kiddo.

 

[Glad Of War]

Dont be so arrogant. You know what is right here , and that doesnt include your fanfic. To embarrass you more , i'll post a scan.

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'The lighting which increases nerve transmission and the lightning which covers the body' -->Lighting(Blue aura) = V1 , Lightning covering body(Lightning armour) = V2. No mention of shunshin in the databook. Except in your homemade fanfic. Hair spiking is the result of sudden ramp of chakra like karin noted when he was building up.

I love how the scan suggest Ay was just as fast as the Yellow-flash, and not faster as Kidgamer implied.

Good job for finding this Tyrance.

 

[Warlocks]

Would controlling enton to counter Ay's blows be counted as keeping up? He got enton control.

no look at what karin said

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she said he cant keep up

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Wrong and wrong. Try again next time kiddo.

Says the guy who doesnt know the difference between lighting and lightning. Concession accepted. Even in the scan, warlocks posted, karin says teleportation speed so try again next big guy.