Sasuke's speed issue.

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1.- Sasuke was far away. Reason that Juubi Jinchuriki Obito in version 1 blitzed several times Sasuke when he was close. I can see an airplane from far way but not for that I can do it if it is close.
2.- Yes it is, but it doesnt prove Sasuke faster since it was a combo attack and they did it that way.
3.- He was praised as the Yellow flash becuase the FTG, not as the fastest. He was called the fastest for his unbeatable speed and teleport. Not only for FTG.

Yet he wasn't far away. And Sasuke could still read his movement's. Nice try though.

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Who said he was faster? He still blitz Momoshiki Naruto did too. Which is a speed feat. :|

No Minato was hailed as the fasted because of FTG even Ay thought he couldn't be surpassed in speed and admitted inferiority to Minato in speed due to FTG. It's like you're arguing just to argue.

 

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The Yellow Flash is a title due to speed. Hiraishin gave him that speed. Fact.

Irrelevant to the discussion.








Then I corrected myself in that post, which is why I asked you where IN THAT POST did I say this? Can you people read? As for the rest, it is irrelevant. Minato needed Hiraishin against Ay and it was the only reason Ay admitted inferiority. Fact no matter how many excuses you make.



The Yellow Flash refers to his speed. Stop trying to separate the two.


Cut the shit. Nowhere does this article separate Hiraishin from his speed. It even blatantly states that his technique is what gives him his speed which gave him his title. :lol You'd have to be a delusional idiot to sit here and argue that Minato was called the Yellow Flash because of Hiraishin, but not because it was what gave him that overwhelming speed. Stop it.

This is the last time I'm going to tell you this. The databook states Minato is The Yellow Flash because of Hiraishin. Minato w/ Hiraishin is what earned him that title. Ay is canonically faster than Minato physically. Minato needed Hiraishin to dodge him. Fact.

Irrelevant. He needed Hiraishin. Fact.[/QUOTE]

1.- Hiriashin gave him his Nickname. His speed plus FTG gave him his reputation as the fastest. Period. It is logic. Let me give you some examples why not only FTG can give you the title as the fastest
1.1 Tobirama has FTG to.
1.2 Obito has space time jutsu to.
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And there is a lot more of examples. Minato is the fastest in FOOT Speed to. His feats are when he saved Kakashi, Naruto, when arrived at war, when he went from the monument to Kurama, when he saved Kurama and many more. Foot Speed. Minato is also fast. Not only fast. He is the reason he got the nickname, not only for a tecnic. Look at Itachi and Sasuke, both have sharingan yet Itachi is known for his genjutsu OP. It is the same, is like saying that got a nickname only for his sharingan, which will be true but why didnt Sasuke who has one to not? Becuase Itachi gave it sense.

2.- Minato did not need FTG to elude Ay, he chose to use it. Two different things. Minato chose to use FTG. Minato chose to put a kunai in his back. Minato chose to go to the tree. If Minato needed then he would look like Bee who really needed his tail to save Ay. Look at his face.

 

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Irrelevant. He needed Hiraishin. Fact.

1.- Hiriashin gave him his Nickname. His speed plus FTG gave him his reputation as the fastest. Period. It is logic. Let me give you some examples why not only FTG can give you the title as the fastest
1.1 Tobirama has FTG to.
1.2 Obito has space time jutsu to.
1.3 This is not a

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And there is a lot more of examples. Minato is the fastest in FOOT Speed to. His feats are when he saved Kakashi, Naruto, when arrived at war, when he went from the monument to Kurama, when he saved Kurama and many more. Foot Speed. Minato is also fast. Not only fast. He is the reason he got the nickname, not only for a tecnic. Look at Itachi and Sasuke, both have sharingan yet Itachi is known for his genjutsu OP. It is the same, is like saying that got a nickname only for his sharingan, which will be true but why didnt Sasuke who has one to not? Becuase Itachi gave it sense.

2.- Minato did not need FTG to elude Ay, he chose to use it. Two different things. Minato chose to use FTG. Minato chose to put a kunai in his back. Minato chose to go to the tree. If Minato needed then he would look like Bee who really needed his tail to save Ay. Look at his face.

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Let me ask you, what on earth are you basing this of off? Itachi is known for genjutsu but he could even be faster than minato, why? Because every guy gets his nickname from the field he/she is best at. Not in a field he/she is just good at. Itachi's genjutsu overshadows his speed, the reason he is known for it. Minato's best ability is his speed amplified by hiraishin, he isnt that good in any other field so the nickname. Doesnt mean people like itachi or kakuzu arent faster than him. Also to gain reputation, one should become well known, no one knew might guy's power until the war....no one knows pains abilities, since he didnt go celebrity. Likewise, if itachi doesnt reveal his true speed or hasnt fought many famous battles, then people cant analyse his true strength hence no nickname. But we could clearly see someone like hidan was keeping up with kakashi and outspeeding him, despite kakashi being almost equal to guy and fourth hokage in speed. 4th doesnt even have feats with just footspeed.

All he has are 94% hiraishin and 6% shunshin. No bare footspeed.

 

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Like I said, post something that warrants a new response and I'll gladly give you one. The rest of your post is stupid as expected. What does Hiraishin not facilitating Minato's foot speed have to do with anything? I stated that for someone without teleportation to be faster than Minato they need to have the foot, attack, and reaction speed necessary to land blows on him without him being able to escape. That has nothing to do with what makes Minato the fastest. So no, nobody proved themselves wrong you just proved that you don't know how to read. :lol

Bold is idiotic and was addressed below but I'll address it here. Minato having slower reflexes than Ay has literally not a damn thing to do with him being able to perceive Ay's movements. I don't even know where the hell you thought you were going with this dumbass attempt at an argument as you've still failed to prove the following:

-The Databook lied when it said Hiraishin made Minato the Yellow Flash.
-The Manga lied when Ay held Minato above him despite Minato being a teleporter.






You still aren't answering my question. When you perceive a movement it means that your reflexes are good enough to react to that level of speed. Period. That has nothing to do with the other person's reflexes when it's the target's reflexes and reaction speed vs the attacker's attack or movement speed. So no, it doesn't.

Like I said, stop trying to pass alternative facts as some kind of argument. Especially when you can't even properly connect your own claim with your own evidence. And I love how you blatantly ignored me telling you what C said about Ay's reflexes so let's go over it again now that I have found the scan.

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"Lord Raikage's nerve transmission and reaction speed are on par with the Yellow Flash..."

"Surprised they are keeping up"

"But Lord Raikage is using Raiton to augment those reflexes"

Ay without enhancements has reaction speed on par with that of Minato's. Thus Ay with enhancements is superior in that field. Just another reason why this whole "if you can react to someone you have better reflexes than them is idiotic to say the least. Then we have:

-Tobirama reacting to Juubito, but Juubito having faster movement and reaction speed.
-SM Naruto reacting to Madara, but Madara having superior reflexes and movement speed.
-Deidara reacting to Sasuke, but Deidara admitting two pages later that Sasuke is way too fast for him.,

And I could go on.

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"What does Hiraishin not facilitating Minato's foot speed have to do with anything?"

It means anyone faster than him in that aspect will stomp him regardless if he uses Hirashin.

"I stated that for someone without teleportation to be faster than Minato they need to have the foot, attack, and reaction speed necessary to land blows on him without him being able to escape."

Then you suggested even a person with those parameters still isn't faster than Minato. Back to Back back-peddling. Only you can achieve such feat.

"Minato having slower reflexes than Ay has literally not a damn thing to do with him being able to perceive Ay's movements"

So you are saying I can evade a bullet if I have an instant teleportation tech? Got it.

"When you perceive a movement it means that your reflexes are good enough to react to that level of speed. Period."

This basically proved my point. I'll assume this is your concession.

"That has nothing to do with the other person's reflexes when it's the target's reflexes and reaction speed vs the attacker's attack or movement speed."

Who said it does?

"Ay without enhancements has reaction speed on par with that of Minato's."

First of all, C's statement is predicated on his perspective. But last time I checked, he didn't even witness the battle between Ay and Minato. Secondly, Minato was able to evade Ay's fastest punch which accounts to combat speed. Combat speed borders on reaction speed, and as such both forms an equivalence. Simply put, the faster your combat speed, the same is your reaction speed. Why am I saying this? As I said, Minato reacted to Ay's fastest punch while shrouded with Lightning armor, which posit Minato's combat/reaction speed is faster than Ay's combat/reaction speed even with enhancement. In turn, this disproves C's statements in addition to the fact it was already disproven by his absence in any of Ay's battle with Minato.

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"Tobirama reacting to Juubito, but Juubito having faster movement and reaction speed."

When did this happen?

"SM Naruto reacting to Madara, but Madara having superior reflexes and movement speed."

SM Naruto can logically react to anyone faster than him considering SM grants him danger sensing powers, meaning he can know of an attack before it actually happens and so, this is a terrible example.

"Deidara reacting to Sasuke, but Deidara admitting two pages later that Sasuke is way too fast for him"

This is more of Deidara coming to acknowledge he can't perennially react to Sasuke. It doesn't imply Sasuke had a faster reaction speed.

 

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"What does Hiraishin not facilitating Minato's foot speed have to do with anything?"

It means anyone faster than him in that aspect will stomp him regardless if he uses Hirashin.

Nope. Ay is faster than him yet didn't hit him. :lol Hiraishin has nothing to do with foot speed so why the hell would I use it to determine Minato's speed with Hiraishin?

"I stated that for someone without teleportation to be faster than Minato they need to have the foot, attack, and reaction speed necessary to land blows on him without him being able to escape."

Then you suggested even a person with those parameters still isn't faster than Minato. Back to Back back-peddling. Only you can achieve such feat.

Nope. I suggested that not all people who are faster than Minato physically are faster than him when he's using Hiraishin. I OUTRIGHT STATED that you had to have a certain degree of superiority in these parameters.

Back to back to back cases of stupidity and you not reading what is being posted. Only someone of your level (single digit IQ to be specific) could achieve such a feat.

"Minato having slower reflexes than Ay has literally not a damn thing to do with him being able to perceive Ay's movements"

So you are saying I can evade a bullet if I have an instant teleportation tech? Got it.

Not a rebuttal. Read that again and then come back and post something that actually refutes or addresses what I typed and not what you think you read.

"When you perceive a movement it means that your reflexes are good enough to react to that level of speed. Period."

This basically proved my point. I'll assume this is your concession.

Not really. You just can't read. But I'll accept your concession on this front.

"That has nothing to do with the other person's reflexes when it's the target's reflexes and reaction speed vs the a
attacker's attack or movement speed."

Who said it does?

Imagine being this daft. This is what you are arguing kiddo.

First of all, C's statement is predicated on his perspective. But last time I checked, he didn't even witness the battle between Ay and Minato. Secondly, Minato was able to evade Ay's fastest punch which accounts to combat speed. Combat speed borders on reaction speed, and as such both forms an equivalence. Simply put, the faster your combat speed, the same is your reaction speed. Why am I saying this? As I said, Minato reacted to Ay's fastest punch while shrouded with Lightning armor, which posit Minato's combat/reaction speed is faster than Ay's combat/reaction speed even with enhancement. In turn, this disproves C's statements in addition to the fact it was already disproven by his absence in any of Ay's battle with Minato.

Irrelevant. I don't care about your headcanon and idiotic assertions. Combat speed is made up by movement speed and reaction speed, not just movement speed. Reaction speed is irrelevant when Ay is the one attacking as he is not reacting to anything. Movement speed is what determines how fast an attack moves, so Minato being able to react faster than Ay can strike him only means that Minato's reflexes are superior to Ay's movement speed, not that he's superior to Ay's reflexes.

Lmao like how dumb can you get? Combat + Reaction speed isn't just reaction speed nor is reaction speed a factor when you are the one launching the attack.

:lol You must've been dropped on your head as an infant because nobody on this site has ever argued anything this stupid when it comes to this topic. Now, don't expect a response on this point again. You blatantly ignoring C's statement in favor of your idiotic assumptions has told me that you concede due to not having a factual argument to back your claims.

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Ay couldn't do anything because Minato was literally on his back. B was able to send a tentacle in from over 5 meters away and knock Ay away and he's not as fast as Ay in any measure. :lol This is what happens when you ignore the Manga to try and prove your point. You end up looking stupid.

Now stop arguing this point or start arguing that B's tentacle can cross 5 meters before Ay can react despite Ay being faster than Base B.

"Tobirama reacting to Juubito, but Juubito having faster movement and reaction speed."

When did this happen?

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And please don't make the tired argument of "b-b-b-but he did it after" because that's impossible.

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Tobirama tagged Obito's right side. Obito's right side is the side right near Tobirama's arm, the arm that Obito ripped off. So the only way Tobirama could've touched him is with his right hand and that could only be before it was ripped off, not after.

And I can get more examples if you want. There's only so many stupid excuses one can come up with, even if it's you we are talking about.

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Kisame reacting to cloaked B, yet cloaked B is faster than he is.

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Jugo reacting to Ay.

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Darui reacting to Sasuke.

And I could really go on and on and poke a thousand holes in your already flimsy ass premise. An attack's speed depends on movement speed. Not reaction speed. Reacting to said attack doesn't make your reaction speed faster than the attacker's when there is no comparison to draw between the attacker's reaction speed and the person reacting.



"SM Naruto reacting to Madara, but Madara having superior reflexes and movement speed."

SM Naruto can logically react to anyone faster than him considering SM grants him danger sensing powers, meaning he can know of an attack before it actually happens and so, this is a terrible example.

:lol Excuse after excuse.

"Deidara reacting to Sasuke, but Deidara admitting two pages later that Sasuke is way too fast for him"

This is more of Deidara coming to acknowledge he can't perennially react to Sasuke. It doesn't imply Sasuke had a faster reaction speed.

That's exactly what it implies. If Deidara was faster than Sasuke in any measure he wouldn't be saying Sasuke is too fast for him to fight on the ground. Do you even use common sense before you make these stupid posts? Sasuke wouldn't have any issue reacting to his own level of speed in combat so why the hell would Deidara if he was faster or on par?

:lol I suggest you do what you said you were gonna do a few posts back and stop posting.

 

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Nope. Ay is faster than him yet didn't hit him. :lol Hiraishin has nothing to do with foot speed so why the hell would I use it to determine Minato's speed with Hiraishin?

"I stated that for someone without teleportation to be faster than Minato they need to have the foot, attack, and reaction speed necessary to land blows on him without him being able to escape."



Nope. I suggested that not all people who are faster than Minato physically are faster than him when he's using Hiraishin. I OUTRIGHT STATED that you had to have a certain degree of superiority in these parameters.

Back to back to back cases of stupidity and you not reading what is being posted. Only someone of your level (single digit IQ to be specific) could achieve such a feat.

"Minato having slower reflexes than Ay has literally not a damn thing to do with him being able to perceive Ay's movements"



Not a rebuttal. Read that again and then come back and post something that actually refutes or addresses what I typed and not what you think you read.

"When you perceive a movement it means that your reflexes are good enough to react to that level of speed. Period."



Not really. You just can't read. But I'll accept your concession on this front.



Imagine being this daft. This is what you are arguing kiddo.



Irrelevant. I don't care about your headcanon and idiotic assertions. Combat speed is made up by movement speed and reaction speed, not just movement speed. Reaction speed is irrelevant when Ay is the one attacking as he is not reacting to anything. Movement speed is what determines how fast an attack moves, so Minato being able to react faster than Ay can strike him only means that Minato's reflexes are superior to Ay's movement speed, not that he's superior to Ay's reflexes.

Lmao like how dumb can you get? Combat + Reaction speed isn't just reaction speed nor is reaction speed a factor when you are the one launching the attack.

:lol You must've been dropped on your head as an infant because nobody on this site has ever argued anything this stupid when it comes to this topic. Now, don't expect a response on this point again. You blatantly ignoring C's statement in favor of your idiotic assumptions has told me that you concede due to not having a factual argument to back your claims.



Ay couldn't do anything because Minato was literally on his back. B was able to send a tentacle in from over 5 meters away and knock Ay away and he's not as fast as Ay in any measure. :lol This is what happens when you ignore the Manga to try and prove your point. You end up looking stupid.

Now stop arguing this point or start arguing that B's tentacle can cross 5 meters before Ay can react despite Ay being faster than Base B.

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And please don't make the tired argument of "b-b-b-but he did it after" because that's impossible.

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Tobirama tagged Obito's right side. Obito's right side is the side right near Tobirama's arm, the arm that Obito ripped off. So the only way Tobirama could've touched him is with his right hand and that could only be before it was ripped off, not after.

And I can get more examples if you want. There's only so many stupid excuses one can come up with, even if it's you we are talking about.

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Kisame reacting to cloaked B, yet cloaked B is faster than he is.

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Jugo reacting to Ay.

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Darui reacting to Sasuke.

And I could really go on and on and poke a thousand holes in your already flimsy ass premise. An attack's speed depends on movement speed. Not reaction speed. Reacting to said attack doesn't make your reaction speed faster than the attacker's when there is no comparison to draw between the attacker's reaction speed and the person reacting.



"SM Naruto reacting to Madara, but Madara having superior reflexes and movement speed."



:lol Excuse after excuse.



That's exactly what it implies. If Deidara was faster than Sasuke in any measure he wouldn't be saying Sasuke is too fast for him to fight on the ground. Do you even use common sense before you make these stupid posts? Sasuke wouldn't have any issue reacting to his own level of speed in combat so why the hell would Deidara if he was faster or on par?

:lol I suggest you do what you said you were gonna do a few posts back and stop posting.

"Nope. Ay is faster than him yet didn't hit him."

No he isn't. The fact Minato was able to cross countries in two digits minutes pretty much confirms the fastest between both of them. Unless you're going to imply Ay could have covered those countries in a faster time-frame, leading me to facepalm at your retardation.

"Nope. I suggested that not all people who are faster than Minato physically are faster than him when he's using Hiraishin."

How do you even create a relationship between two entirely different situation? Another way of saying what you're saying is; not all people who are fast in a splint, can be faster in a marathon race. For crying out loud, Hirashin is different from the aspects of speed, even when considering Hirashin is a variant of speed.

"Not a rebuttal. Read that again and then come back and post something that"

Implying a debate is strictly about rebuttals.

"Not really. You just can't read."

Only you can prove you can't read by saying I can't read. Matter of fact in the period of exchanging words with you, you have done a lot of things I thought was impossible.

"Imagine being this daft. This is what you are arguing kiddo."

Implying that's my state, then I suppose you're a grown ass man succumbing to retardation. That's even more of a taboo than mine.

"Combat speed is made up by movement speed and reaction speed, not just movement speed."

Ayooooooooo!

"Reaction speed is irrelevant when Ay is the one attacking as he is not reacting to anything."

It isn't. Please read what I said again.

"so Minato being able to react faster than Ay can strike him only means that Minato's reflexes are superior to Ay's movement speed, not that he's superior to Ay's reflexes."

This brings me back. Movement speed is not a term, or rather it's not a well known term. It's a generalisation inferred from all the aspects of speed. Additionally, reflex speed can be considered movement speed, since the latter requires movement. I take you mean combat speed, which upon introduction doesn't make your point any less retarded. Combat speed is different from reaction speed, hence they cannot be associated to conceive an inference.

"Combat + Reaction speed isn't just reaction speed"

I didn't say they are. Please read what I said concerning both sections of speed.

"You must've been dropped on your head as an infant"

Resorting to Ad Hominem. Yet he calls me a kid. So sad.

"Ay couldn't do anything because Minato was literally on his back."

And because he has a slower reaction speed.

"B was able to send a tentacle in from over 5 meters away and knock Ay away and he's not as fast as Ay in any measure."

Bee anticipated Minato's movement.

"http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/638/19"

Hold on, did this retard just use a scan of Obito blitzing Tobirama as proof he reacted to him?

"Tobirama tagged Obito's right side."

That accounts to combat speed. Nice try though.

"Kisame reacting to cloaked B, yet cloaked B is faster than he is."

As I thought. I can react to a bullet despite it moves faster than me. Great logic there.

"An attack's speed depends on movement speed. Not reaction speed."

Stop calling it movement speed. It's called combat speed. There are exactly four aspects of speed used widely known in debates namely; attack speed, reaction speed, combat speed, and travel speed. Your view towards the terminologies of speed is erring, and it advances the suggestion you need to get out of Narutobase, and understand the nitty gritties of debates.

"when there is no comparison to draw between the attacker's reaction speed and the person reacting."

Like you've shown. This is just another case of you disproving yourself.

"That's exactly what it implies."

You don't get it as you have on every single point I've made. Deidara's concession is more of him saying he can't continously react to Sasuke because Sasuke has a faster attack speed. It doesn't imply Deidara had a slower reaction speed considering a person can have a faster attack speed but slower reaction speed. Moreover, can you show me the scan where Deidara's concession took place?

 

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Hebi sasuke was fast enough to get to tobi from a good distance while still making nearly look like a shunshin, btw, narutos feat mentioned is more reaction and rsm than his actual speed

Well if you want to look at it that way then how fast is hebi sauce without orochimaru his expierments and injections ?

 

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No he isn't. The fact Minato was able to cross countries in two digits minutes pretty much confirms the fastest between both of them. Unless you're going to imply Ay could have covered those countries in a faster time-frame, leading me to facepalm at your retardation.

1. Give me a stated time frame or stop talking out of your ass.

2. Taka, Sasuke and the other Kage covered the same distance Minato did in the same time frame. They didn't even show up 5 minutes later than Minato did so cut the shit kiddo. Unless you're going to argue that Taka is on par with Ay in speed you have no leg to stand one.

How do you even create a relationship between two entirely different situation? Another way of saying what you're saying is; not all people who are fast in a splint, can be faster in a marathon race. For crying out loud, Hirashin is different from the aspects of speed, even when considering Hirashin is a variant of speed.

The relationship has been shown in the Manga and referenced in my posts several times.

"Not a rebuttal. Read that again and then come back and post something that"

Implying a debate is strictly about rebuttals.

At the very least your response has to correlate to what is being stated, and it doesn't, because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Implying that's my state, then I suppose you're a grown ass man succumbing to retardation. That's even more of a taboo than mine.

Terrible insult that barely makes sense, but I cannot expect you to come up with something better considering you barely have the brainpower to comprehend a couple sentences.

This brings me back. Movement speed is not a term, or rather it's not a well known term. It's a generalisation inferred from all the aspects of speed. Additionally, reflex speed can be considered movement speed, since the latter requires movement. I take you mean combat speed, which upon introduction doesn't make your point any less retarded. Combat speed is different from reaction speed, hence they cannot be associated to conceive an inference.

Blah blah blah. I don't give a rat's ass about anything you have to say that isn't important in respect to the actual debate. Go argue about your precious semantics with someone who cares enough to entertain it.


"Combat + Reaction speed isn't just reaction speed"

I didn't say they are. Please read what I said concerning both sections of speed.

"You must've been dropped on your head as an infant"

Resorting to Ad Hominem. Yet he calls me a kid. So sad.

I actually have an argument outside of insults. You don't have anything besides the ramblings of a delusional child.

And because he has a slower reaction speed.

Not a rebuttal and also proven false on multiple accounts. Concession accepted.

Bee anticipated Minato's movement.

Based on nothing. Nice try though kiddo.

"Tobirama tagged Obito's right side."

That accounts to combat speed. Nice try though.

Nice try retard. That's reaction speed as he acted in response to an incoming object or foe.

Reaction time is the interval time between the presentation of a stimulus and the initiation of the muscular response to that stimulus. A primary factor affecting a response is the number of possible stimuli, each requiring their own response, that are presented.Jan 8, 2017
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Let's break it down for this moronic twit.

-Stimulus=Obito as he is the one attacking.
-Tobirama is the one being attacked.
-In between Obito launching his attack and hitting Tobirama, Tobirama touched Obito.

Concession accepted as you are blatantly trying to reinvent the definitions of terms to try and prove your point. You'll get this exact response for this point if you attempt to continue here.

"Kisame reacting to cloaked B, yet cloaked B is faster than he is."

As I thought. I can react to a bullet despite it moves faster than me. Great logic there.

Not a rebuttal. That and you don't need to be faster than anything, whether it's a bullet or not, in order to react to it or even dodge it. :lol Don't be an idiotic kid and start opening your mind to viewpoints that don't align with your twisted beliefs.

-Jugo reacted to Ay.
-Darui reacted to Sasuke.

Of course you've ignored the rest because you don't have anything intelligent to say on the matter. Unless you are going to argue next that Jugo is faster than Ay because he can react to him I don't want to see you post another thing on this point. Point blank period.

Stop calling it movement speed. It's called combat speed. There are exactly four aspects of speed used widely known in debates namely; attack speed, reaction speed, combat speed, and travel speed. Your view towards the terminologies of speed is erring, and it advances the suggestion you need to get out of Narutobase, and understand the nitty gritties of debates.

Stop trying to create an argument over semantics. I don't give a rat's ass about your terms. Movement speed is the speed of movement. Unless you are going to say these people don't move when they attack I don't want to hear your whining.

That and Ay wasn't in the middle of an ongoing. He charged Minato from 10 meters away with a bee line dash. Movement. Speed. If you disagree show me where Ay didn't move across a 10 meter distance or shut the fuck up.

"when there is no comparison to draw between the attacker's reaction speed and the person reacting."

Like you've shown. This is just another case of you disproving yourself.

Nope. Try again.

You don't get it as you have on every single point I've made. Deidara's concession is more of him saying he can't continously react to Sasuke because Sasuke has a faster attack speed. It doesn't imply Deidara had a slower reaction speed considering a person can have a faster attack speed but slower reaction speed. Moreover, you can show me the scan where Deidara's concession took place?

I posted a link to that chapter. Go look for the scan yourself. As for the rest, wrong. I just addressed this. Bold is more of that stupidity you've made yourself known for. You cannot move faster than you can react as then you would not be able to react to your own speed. Jesus how many stupid statements will you make before giving this shit a rest?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Well if you want to look at it that way then how fast is hebi sauce without orochimaru his expierments and injections ?

We don’t really know, he was damn quick against bee, and before the time skip he was able to match a gated lee’s speed, but there’s no Hebi Sasuke sans oro “training” and whatnot to go off. I just used that as it was a clear point blank blitz, it was fast. There’s very few characters, if any, that are shown to be faster without some kind of teleportation jutsu or some kind of chakra augmentation(kcm, raiton armor, etc)

 

[KidGamer65]

I wonder, does it hurt to have an IQ so low that it can be counted on a single hand? This delusional child argues that Minato has better reflexes than Ay because he can react to Ay, but when I bring Jugo reacting to Ay in the same way along with various other examples of people confirmed to be the slower one out of the two reacting to the faster one then he starts dodging the points like a fiend.

Lol pathetic as all hell.

 

[Glad Of War]

1. Give me a stated time frame or stop talking out of your ass.

2. Taka, Sasuke and the other Kage covered the same distance Minato did in the same time frame. They didn't even show up 5 minutes later than Minato did so cut the shit kiddo. Unless you're going to argue that Taka is on par with Ay in speed you have no leg to stand one.




The relationship has been shown in the Manga and referenced in my posts several times.



At the very least your response has to correlate to what is being stated, and it doesn't, because you have no idea what you are talking about.




Terrible insult that barely makes sense, but I cannot expect you to come up with something better considering you barely have the brainpower to comprehend a couple sentences.




Blah blah blah. I don't give a rat's ass about anything you have to say that isn't important in respect to the actual debate. Go argue about your precious semantics with someone who cares enough to entertain it.


"Combat + Reaction speed isn't just reaction speed"

I didn't say they are. Please read what I said concerning both sections of speed.



I actually have an argument outside of insults. You don't have anything besides the ramblings of a delusional child.




Not a rebuttal and also proven false on multiple accounts. Concession accepted.



Based on nothing. Nice try though kiddo.



Nice try retard. That's reaction speed as he acted in response to an incoming object or foe.



Let's break it down for this moronic twit.

-Stimulus=Obito as he is the one attacking.
-Tobirama is the one being attacked.
-In between Obito launching his attack and hitting Tobirama, Tobirama touched Obito.

Concession accepted as you are blatantly trying to reinvent the definitions of terms to try and prove your point. You'll get this exact response for this point if you attempt to continue here.



Not a rebuttal. That and you don't need to be faster than anything, whether it's a bullet or not, in order to react to it or even dodge it. :lol Don't be an idiotic kid and start opening your mind to viewpoints that don't align with your twisted beliefs.

-Jugo reacted to Ay.
-Darui reacted to Sasuke.

Of course you've ignored the rest because you don't have anything intelligent to say on the matter. Unless you are going to argue next that Jugo is faster than Ay because he can react to him I don't want to see you post another thing on this point. Point blank period.



Stop trying to create an argument over semantics. I don't give a rat's ass about your terms. Movement speed is the speed of movement. Unless you are going to say these people don't move when they attack I don't want to hear your whining.

That and Ay wasn't in the middle of an ongoing. He charged Minato from 10 meters away with a bee line dash. Movement. Speed. If you disagree show me where Ay didn't move across a 10 meter distance or shut the fuck up.



Nope. Try again.




I posted a link to that chapter. Go look for the scan yourself. As for the rest, wrong. I just addressed this. Bold is more of that stupidity you've made yourself known for. You cannot move faster than you can react as then you would not be able to react to your own speed. Jesus how many stupid statements will you make before giving this shit a rest?

"Give me a stated time frame or stop talking out of your ass."

You don't know what two digits minutes means?

"Taka, Sasuke and the other Kage covered the same distance Minato did in
the same time frame. They didn't even show up 5 minutes later than Minato did"

Minato appeared, teleported a Juubi-dama and talked a bit with Naruto all before the rest of the Kages appeared. Taka appeared even more later.

"Unless you're going to argue that Taka is on par with Ay in speed you have no leg to stand one."

Yes Sasuke is on par with him seeing as he mostly kept pace with him during their battle.

"The relationship has been shown in the Manga and referenced in my posts several times."

No, this came from your own point of view.

"At the very least your response has to correlate to what is being stated, and it doesn't, because you have no idea what you are talking about.cc

Yes, I know you can't comprehend my response is simply an implication of what you said. But come on; there's no need to prove you can't comprehend shit. You've already proven that at precedent.

"Terrible insult that barely makes sense,"

Except it's not insult. It's a fact you're a grown ass man succumbing to retardation.

"I don't give a rat's ass about anything you have to say that isn't important in respect to the actual debate."

We were talking about movement speed, weren't we?

"I didn't say they are. Please read what I said concerning both sections of
speed."

Lemme guess, you have a brain of a parrot which is why you iterated what I said.

"I actually have an argument outside of insults."

So that justifies a grown ass man resorting to Ad Hominem?

Implied faceplam.

"Not a rebuttal and also proven false on multiple accounts. Concession accepted."

It refutes the idea Ay had a faster reaction speed doesn't it? So yes, it is a rebuttal.
"Based on nothing. Nice try though kiddo."

Based on the fact Bee is Ay's partner, and by default is meant to watch his back.

"Nice try retard. That's reaction speed as he acted in response to an incoming"

He didn't react to him. He tagged him. You even said so yourself.

A bike is coming my way, I high five the rider in a way that required my hands to move forward. If that is reacting, what do you call moving out of the way or protecting myself from the momentum of the bike?

"Reaction time is the interval time between the presentation of a stimulus and the initiation of the muscular response to that stimulus."

Lmaoooo, Did is guy just referenced me to a exposition based on a person's perspective against someone about to attack?

Your Link is simply saying Reaction speed is a time between a person's presentation of a stimulus, and the period the person starts a reaction predicated on the receptor. Examples referencing to the exposition was given in the link. How did you missed it?

This has nothing to do with the point at hand. In addition, it also proves, irrefutably, you can't comprehend jackshit. You probably can't comprehend why you make the most ludicrous arguments. Hint: being a retard.

"That and you don't need to be faster than anything, whether it's a bullet or not, in order to react to it or even dodge it."

I already agreed with you, why are you trying to extend the subject?

"-Jugo reacted to Ay.
-Darui reacted to Sasuke"

This lack context. Please post the respective scans were these events took place.

"I don't give a rat's ass about your terms."

In other words, hurrrr durrrrrr.

"Unless you are going to say these people don't move when they attack I don't want to hear your whining."

Unless you're going to say these people movement while they attack and defend can't be categorise.

"That and Ay wasn't in the middle of an ongoing. He charged Minato from 10 meters away with a bee line dash. Movement."

So you're saying he couldn't have reacted because he charged at Minato from 10 meters away with a bee line dash? Concession accepted. Not that what you said made sense, but I'll wholeheartedly accept the concession since the implications of your statement is an admission.

"I posted a link to that chapter. Go look for the scan yourself. As for the rest, wrong. I just addressed this. Bold is more of that stupidity you've made yourself known for. You cannot move faster than you can react as then you would not be able to react to your own speed. Jesus how many stupid statements will you make before giving this shit a rest?"

Moreover, you can show me the scan where Deidara's concession took place?

 

[KidGamer65]

"Give me a stated time frame or stop talking out of your ass."

You don't know what two digits minutes means?

You don't know how to read? Show me where this was stated in the Manga.

Minato appeared, teleported a Juubi-dama and talked a bit with Naruto all before the rest of the Kages appeared. Taka appeared even more later.

This was addressed. Not even 5 minutes later did they arrive. Meaning you are implying that Hiruzen is faster than all of Taka, and that everyone present is either faster or on par or close to Ay's level of speed, which would probably be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this website.

Yes Sasuke is on par with him seeing as he mostly kept pace with him during their battle.

No. Sasuke is blatantly stated to be unable to follow Ay's movements let alone being on par with him. :lol Don't come at me with this bullshit. If you are going to argue that crossing said distance in the made up timeframe you gave then you better argue that all of Taka and the other Hokage are just as fast as Ay or do me a favor and gtfo.

"The relationship has been shown in the Manga and referenced in my posts several times."

No, this came from your own point of view.

The Manga scans disagree.

"Not a rebuttal and also proven false on multiple accounts. Concession accepted."

It refutes the idea Ay had a faster reaction speed doesn't it? So yes, it is a rebuttal.

Except it doesn't. :lol

Based on the fact Bee is Ay's partner, and by default is meant to watch his back.

More scans and less assumptions. I don't care for your opinion. Watching someone's back doesn't equate to anticipating the enemy movements nor does it excuse the idiotic logic present in this analogy. B is slower than Ay yet his tentacle crossed 5 meters before Ay could do anything, meaning Ay didn't almost get hit because of lack of speed. He almost got hit because of Minato's positioning.

He didn't react to him. He tagged him. You even said so yourself.

You have to react in order to do so. :lol Like I said, don't come at me with this bullshit. You make the conscious decision to act and then you act. That is reaction speed.

A bike is coming my way, I high five the rider in a way that required my hands to move forward. If that is reacting, what do you call moving out of the way or protecting myself from the momentum of the bike?

That's all reacting you idiot. Jesus. :lol The only difference is the degree of reaction. In one instance you can only high five the rider. In the other you can react well enough to dodge. Just how Minato can't physically react fast enough to dodge Ay, but he can flick a Kunai in the air and use Hiraishin.

"Reaction time is the interval time between the presentation of a stimulus and the initiation of the muscular response to that stimulus."

Lmaoooo, Did is guy just referenced me to a exposition based on a person's perspective against someone about to attack?

Your Link is simply saying Reaction speed is a time between a person's presentation of a stimulus, and the period the person starts a reaction predicated on the receptor. Examples referencing to the exposition was given in the link. How did you missed it?



This has nothing to do with the point at hand. In addition, it also proves, irrefutably, you can't comprehend jackshit. You probably can't comprehend why you make the most ludicrous arguments. Hint: being a retard.

Stop being an illiterate child and start reading what is presented to you so I don't have to explain it further and waste my time. Those examples being listed doesn't change the fact that reacting to an incoming attack is reaction speed. :lol Like I said, all you do is make pathetic excuse after excuse because you don't want to admit you are wrong on a naruto website. Grow up punk.

Reaction time is the interval time between the presentation of a stimulus and the initiation of the muscular response to that stimulus.

That is the stated definition of reaction time. Obito attacking Tobirama is a stimulus being presented. Tobirama initiating the necessary movement to tag him in response is a muscular response to that stimulus. Bitching about the examples and ignoring the definition isn't going to help your already pathetic case.

"-Jugo reacted to Ay.
-Darui reacted to Sasuke"

This lack context. Please post the respective scans were these events took place.

Pull your head out of your ass and read what is posted. All these scans you keep whining about were given 2 posts ago.

Unless you're going to say these people movement while they attack and defend can't be categorise.

Irrelevant. You being able to break it down further doesn't mean it's not all movement speed. End. Of. Story.

So you're saying he couldn't have reacted because he charged at Minato from 10 meters away with a bee line dash? Concession accepted. Not that what you said made sense, but I'll wholeheartedly accept the concession since the implications of your statement is an admission.

:lol Nope. Read that again, but slowly this time so you don't look like a retard when you try to reiterate the point.

 

[Glad Of War]

I wonder, does it hurt to have an IQ so low that it can be counted on a single hand? This delusional child argues that Minato has better reflexes than Ay because he can react to Ay, but when I bring Jugo reacting to Ay in the same way along with various other examples of people confirmed to be the slower one out of the two reacting to the faster one then he starts dodging the points like a fiend.

Lol pathetic as all hell.

I love how you are trying to make a case of something that isn't there? You make a claim, without nothing to substantiate it, and you expect me to address it?

Who do you think I am? Billy of the thundermans?

On the same note, do you want me to list some of the retarded things you have done through out this debate? The retarded logics you have adhered to?

 

[KidGamer65]

What's even worse is that those examples in the link are tips to help you (or your players if you are a coach of some sort) improve your reaction time. They aren't all examples of reaction time itself. But of course this clown would know this if he read it with his head outside of his ass and not inside.

I love how you are trying to make a case of something that isn't there? You make a claim, without nothing to substantiate it, and you expect me to address it?

Who do you think I am? Billy of the thundermans?

On the same note, do you want me to list some of the retarded things you have done through out this debate? The retarded logics you have adhered to?

Hilarious. :lol This is coming from the same guy who was making excuses a few posts ago as for why he didn't provide scans or reference anything from the Manga.

Spare us the nonsense kid. Everything I stated is backed by the Naruto Manga. Sadly I can't say the same for you. First the databook lied, now Jugo, Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, Hiruzen and Tobirama are all on Ay's level of speed. The Sasuke bit really kills me considering he was shown to not even be able to follow Ay's movements in their fight.

But you wouldn't know that as you don't read the Manga. :lol

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Definitely on par.

 

[Glad Of War]

You don't know how to read? Show me where this was stated in the Manga.



This was addressed. Not even 5 minutes later did they arrive. Meaning you are implying that Hiruzen is faster than all of Taka, and that everyone present is either faster or on par or close to Ay's level of speed, which would probably be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this website.




No. Sasuke is blatantly stated to be unable to follow Ay's movements let alone being on par with him. :lol Don't come at me with this bullshit. If you are going to argue that crossing said distance in the made up timeframe you gave then you better argue that all of Taka and the other Hokage are just as fast as Ay or do me a favor and gtfo.



The Manga scans disagree.




Except it doesn't. :lol



More scans and less assumptions. I don't care for your opinion. Watching someone's back doesn't equate to anticipating the enemy movements nor does it excuse the idiotic logic present in this analogy. B is slower than Ay yet his tentacle crossed 5 meters before Ay could do anything, meaning Ay didn't almost get hit because of lack of speed. He almost got hit because of Minato's positioning.



You have to react in order to do so. :lol Like I said, don't come at me with this bullshit. You make the conscious decision to act and then you act. That is reaction speed.



That's all reacting you idiot. Jesus. :lol The only difference is the degree of reaction. In one instance you can only high five the rider. In the other you can react well enough to dodge. Just how Minato can't physically react fast enough to dodge Ay, but he can flick a Kunai in the air and use Hiraishin.



Stop being an illiterate child and start reading what is presented to you so I don't have to explain it further and waste my time. Those examples being listed doesn't change the fact that reacting to an incoming attack is reaction speed. :lol Like I said, all you do is make pathetic excuse after excuse because you don't want to admit you are wrong on a naruto website. Grow up punk.



That is the stated definition of reaction time. Obito attacking Tobirama is a stimulus being presented. Tobirama initiating the necessary movement to tag him in response is a muscular response to that stimulus. Bitching about the examples and ignoring the definition isn't going to help your already pathetic case.




Pull your head out of your ass and read what is posted. All these scans you keep whining about were given 2 posts ago.




Irrelevant. You being able to break it down further doesn't mean it's not all movement speed. End. Of. Story.



:lol Nope. Read that again, but slowly this time so you don't look like a retard when you try to reiterate the point.

"You don't know how to read? Show me where this was stated in the Manga."

Aye, like I thought, you do not understand the meaning of two digits minutes, and the implications of it.

"This was addressed. Not even 5 minutes later did they arrive"

Unlike mine, yours seem to be direct, and so, please show me where this was stated in the Manga.

"No. Sasuke is blatantly stated to be unable to follow Ay's movements let alone being on par with him. Don't come at me with this bullshit."

Doesn't change the fact Sasuke kept pace with his movements and his attacks.

"The Manga scans disagree."

Yes, it disagree with you point. That isn't surprising.

"Watching someone's back doesn't equate to anticipating the enemy movement"

So the person would think the enemy isn't going to attack? Got it.

"You have to react in order to do"

Extending my arms to tag someone is now reacting -Kidgamer

"That's all reacting you idiotic little shit."

Yes, and moving out of the way is called attacking. Good going to Kidgamer. No one has proven as much as you did, that they are factually retarded.

"Stop being an illiterate child and start reading what is presented to you so I don't have to explain it further and waste my time."

I did. But you didn't comprehend the exposition, and tried to make a comparison with the point at hand. A grown ass man who had the brain of a four year old. Do you know what we call such person? You guessed it, a retard.

"That is the stated definition of reaction time"

Yes it is and obviously too lool

"posted. All these scans you keep whining about were"

I admit I missed it. Thus, you can post them for me to see?

"Irrelevant. You being able to break it down further doesn't mean it's not all movement speed."

As I suggested.

"Nope. Read that again, but slowly this time so you don't look like a retard when you try to reiterate the point."

Why would I re-read your concession?

If you had notice, am mostly responding to your points with one-liners, because they don't actually merit my effort. In short, they are as much retarded as your state. Now you may wonder why I keep using the word "retard." Because that's exactly what you are. less advanced in mental, than is usual for one's age.

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[Glad Of War]

What's even worse is that those examples in the link are tips to help you (or your players if you are a coach of some sort) improve your reaction time. They aren't all examples of reaction time itself. But of course this clown would know this if he read it with his head outside of his ass and not inside.



Hilarious. :lol This is coming from the same guy who was making excuses a few posts ago as for why he didn't provide scans or reference anything from the Manga.

Spare us the nonsense kid. Everything I stated is backed by the Naruto Manga. Sadly I can't say the same for you. First the databook lied, now Jugo, Sasuke, Karin, Suigetsu, Hiruzen and Tobirama are all on Ay's level of speed. The Sasuke bit really kills me considering he was shown to not even be able to follow Ay's movements in their fight.

But you wouldn't know that as you don't read the Manga. :lol

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Definitely on par.

Yes, definitely on par. Mind you, this was after C's statements.

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[KidGamer65]

"You don't know how to read? Show me where this was stated in the Manga."

Aye, like I thought, you do not understand the meaning of two digits minutes, and the implications of it.

"This was addressed. Not even 5 minutes later did they arrive"

Unlike mine, yours seem to be direct, and so, please show me where this was stated in the Manga.

Never said it was direct nor does it need to be direct. All that occurred in between Minato and the rest arriving was a quick exchange and the warping of the Bijuu Dama.

Now. Either you argue that everyone who arrived at that battlefield is on par with Ay or stop posting in regard to this point. That simple.

"No. Sasuke is blatantly stated to be unable to follow Ay's movements let alone being on par with him. Don't come at me with this bullshit."

Doesn't change the fact Sasuke kept pace with his movements and his attacks.

Except he didn't. When Ay went full speed it was STATED THAT HE CANNOT FOLLOW AY'S MOVEMENTS. Go read that fight before quoting me again.

"Watching someone's back doesn't equate to anticipating the enemy movement"

So the person would think the enemy is going to attack? Got it.

Irrelevant. That's not all that anticipation involves, otherwise everyone would be "anticipating" everyone's movements and then your shitty argument falls flat on it's face either way. Now.

"You have to react in order to do"

Extending my arms to tag someone is now reacting -Kidgamer

Yes, extending your arms to tag someone in response to them trying to rip you in half is reacting whether you are smart enough to comprehend that or not.

Yes, and moving out of the way is called attacking. Good going to Kidgamer. No one has proven as much as you did, that they are factually retarded.

Concession accepted as this is not a rebuttal.

I did. But you didn't comprehend the exposition, and tried to make a comparison with the point at hand. A grown ass man who had the brain of a four year old. Do you know what we call such person? You guessed it, a retard.

Also not a rebuttal. I could flame your bitch ass all day but I think I'll stop wasting my time and get straight to the point since I know you don't have any points of your own to attempt to form a rational argument.

"posted. All these scans you keep whining about were"

I admit I missed it. Thus, you can post them for me to see?

How about you scroll up you lazy dumbass?

"Nope. Read that again, but slowly this time so you don't look like a retard when you try to reiterate the point."

Why would I re-read your concession?

Concession accepted on this front as well. The rest is irrelevant. I think this is where you scurry off and go play with your special needs toys and leave the debating to those who can form a coherent thought without the constant aid of someone who knows better.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yes, definitely on par. Mind you, this was after C's statements.

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Yes. Because V2 Ay is as fast as V1 Ay.
Yes. Because we've been talking about V1 Ay this whole time, not Ay's top speed form.

:lol Quit while you're behind kid. You make yourself look stupider and stupider the more you post.

 

[Glad Of War]

Never said it was direct nor does it need to be direct. All that occurred in between Minato and the rest arriving was a quick exchange and the warping of the Bijuu Dama.

Now. Either you argue that everyone who arrived at that battlefield is on par with Ay or stop posting in regard to this point. That simple.



Except he didn't. When Ay went full speed it was STATED THAT HE CANNOT FOLLOW AY'S MOVEMENTS. Go read that fight before quoting me again.



Irrelevant. That's not all that anticipation involves, otherwise everyone would be "anticipating" everyone's movements and then your shitty argument falls flat on it's face either way. Now.


Yes, extending your arms to tag someone in response to them trying to rip you in half is reacting whether you are smart enough to comprehend that or not.



Concession accepted as this is not a rebuttal.




Also not a rebuttal. I could flame your bitch ass all day but I think I'll stop wasting my time and get straight to the point since I know you don't have any points of your own to attempt to form a rational argument.




How about you scroll up you lazy dumbass?



Concession accepted on this front as well. The rest is irrelevant. I think this is where you scurry off and go play with your special needs toys and leave the debating to those who can form a coherent thought without the constant aid of someone who knows better.

"Never said it was direct nor does it need to be direct."

But it's an implication of your statement.

"Except he didn't. When Ay went full speed it was STATED THAT HE Cannot FOLLOW AY'S MOVEMENTS."

He did. I just proved it.

"Irrelevant. That's not all that anticipation involves, otherwise everyone"

Too bad not everyone was attacking Ay.

"Yes, extending your arms to tag someone in response"

Except you are not actually responding to an action when tagging.

Tag noun: add to something, especially as an afterthought or with no real connection.

But it is. It's not my fault you can't comprehend why and what made it refutes your point.

"Also not a rebuttal. I could flame your bitc h ass all"

Yet he calls me a kid? Also, it refutes your point, so it's a rebuttal.

"How about you scroll up you lazy dumbass?"

Why would I? The burden of proof is on you.

"Concession accepted on this front as well. The rest is irrelevant."

It really isn't if you weren't so lacking in comprehension. Also, I accept that you think my point is some sort of capitulation as it proves you have a comprehension prowess of a four year old.

 

[Glad Of War]

Yes. Because V2 Ay is as fast as V1 Ay.
Yes. Because we've been talking about V1 Ay this whole time, not Ay's top speed form.

:lol Quit while you're behind kid. You make yourself look stupider and stupider the more you post.

That scan was after C had claimed Sasuke would no longer be able to read Ay's movement with his Sharingan, you do realize that?