Sasuke's speed issue.

[Styles]

EMS doesnt allow you follow anyone. There is speed it cant anticipate lie EMS Sasuke vs Raikage.

But it does. MS Sasuke couldn't follow V2 Ay yet EMS Sasuke was tracking and keeping up with JJ Obito who is faster.

You didnt understand that part. They were running equally at the beginning then Sasuke blitzes and attacks suddenly Naruto attacks. This was a combo attack. Sasuke went first then Naruto. There was no blitz. Combat tactics. And the kages took off Kinshiki.

But it's still a speed feat.

False, it doesnt praise them as the fastest due their Hiraishin. Never did. We can see they have superior reactions and foot speed than most or than all.

Yes it is. Minato was literally praised as the fastest due to FTG. Tobirama also in his era.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is guy is a thundering dumbass =D Kidgamer: Haku's speed is an hyperbole. People reacted to him. Someone with a brain: That logic makes Hirashin movement an hyperbole considering Madara reacted to it. Kidgamer: hurrrr durrrrrr, I don't care about that. I'll going to repost my quote that proves Haku's speed is hyperbole. It's at this point I realize he has a brain of a parrot.
"Because Minato can react to him, evade him, and outmaneuver him with Hiraishin."

I love how this only accounts to reaction speed, and nothing else. As I wanted to say; Hirashin doesn't facilitate Minato's foot-speed, and combat speed, but you seem to have indicated it with your proposition. Ergo, you proved yourself wrong.

In addition, how is Minato suppose to react to Ay if he has slower reflex speed?

Inb4, Hirashin would compensate for that; Minato would need to perceive Ay's movements before he uses Hirashin. Seeing as, according to you, he has a slower reflex speed, this implies he won't be able to perceive Ay's movement. We know Minato reacted to him in the Manga after perceiving his movement, implying Minato either had a faster reflex speed, or his reflex speed was just as fast a Ay as opposed your retarded claim that it was slower.

Your rebuttal is trash as expected. Hyperbole is an exaggeration. Haku being light speed has been shown to be an exaggeration as people too slow to react to light speed have countered him. That’s a fact so I don’t want to see you whine about double standards and hypocrisy until you support your claim that the databook lord when it said Hiraishin made Minato the yellow flash despite me having the manga on my side in addition to the databook while the manga contradicts your idiotic claim, You’ll get this exact paragraph copy and pasted until you provide something that warrants a new response.

Like I said, post something that warrants a new response and I'll gladly give you one. The rest of your post is stupid as expected. What does Hiraishin not facilitating Minato's foot speed have to do with anything? I stated that for someone without teleportation to be faster than Minato they need to have the foot, attack, and reaction speed necessary to land blows on him without him being able to escape. That has nothing to do with what makes Minato the fastest. So no, nobody proved themselves wrong you just proved that you don't know how to read. :lol

Bold is idiotic and was addressed below but I'll address it here. Minato having slower reflexes than Ay has literally not a damn thing to do with him being able to perceive Ay's movements. I don't even know where the hell you thought you were going with this dumbass attempt at an argument as you've still failed to prove the following:

-The Databook lied when it said Hiraishin made Minato the Yellow Flash.
-The Manga lied when Ay held Minato above him despite Minato being a teleporter.

Yes it does.

When reacting to a movement, what comes before that is to perceive/see the moment. You cannot react to something without perceiving the movements, unless if your reaction is involuntary.

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, thus he has a faster reflex speed as he was able to see the movement, and exhibited enough recovery to use Hirashin.

You still aren't answering my question. When you perceive a movement it means that your reflexes are good enough to react to that level of speed. Period. That has nothing to do with the other person's reflexes when it's the target's reflexes and reaction speed vs the attacker's attack or movement speed. So no, it doesn't.

Like I said, stop trying to pass alternative facts as some kind of argument. Especially when you can't even properly connect your own claim with your own evidence. And I love how you blatantly ignored me telling you what C said about Ay's reflexes so let's go over it again now that I have found the scan.

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"Lord Raikage's nerve transmission and reaction speed are on par with the Yellow Flash..."

"Surprised they are keeping up"

"But Lord Raikage is using Raiton to augment those reflexes"

Ay without enhancements has reaction speed on par with that of Minato's. Thus Ay with enhancements is superior in that field. Just another reason why this whole "if you can react to someone you have better reflexes than them is idiotic to say the least. Then we have:

-Tobirama reacting to Juubito, but Juubito having faster movement and reaction speed.
-SM Naruto reacting to Madara, but Madara having superior reflexes and movement speed.
-Deidara reacting to Sasuke, but Deidara admitting two pages later that Sasuke is way too fast for him.,

And I could go on.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Ay says Minato is faster than him which is true. Physically faster than him. No mention of FTG otherwise how can he surpass Minato? Or why wasnt Tobirama never mentioned when he also had FTG?

How can Minato leave a yellow flash if there is no movement? Why would Tsunade compare Naruto's feat with Minato's speed when one is instant and other is movement like you say? Why will Yamato say that Naruto is still not at Minato's level when if it was Instant Teleport he will never reach it? Why did Kakashi confuse Naruto blitzing the Biju Bombs with Minato? (Kakashi with Sharingan btw). Why did Obito portrayed Minato as the yellow flash when he saved Naruto even not using FTG? Minato was known as the yellow flash becuase his FTG. But know as the Fastest ninja due his speed. And the fastest ninja in history due the two thing.

You just confuse or not accept he is the fastest foot speed just becuase he has FTG.




Bold, just because you say Tsunade know Minato's jutsu then it cant be pure movement? And then you say she compare Naruto's yellow flash with Minato? If Minato used only FTG there wont be a yellow flash in first place.

You need to stop being a fanboy if you want me to bother arguing with you. Ay never once said Minato is physically faster than him. What is shown is that Minato needs Hiraishin to dodge Ay's top speed. The rest is irrelevant and was addressed anyway. Minato moving instantly doesn't make him the fastest. It's what he can do with his teleportation that grants him his speed and that's why Juubito was tearing his ass apart in the speed department despite Minato being able to move instantly.

As for why Tsunade and B were comparing them to Minato, when Naruto moves, to people like them he moves so fast that it looks like he moved instantly hence them comarping him to Minato. That and he leaves a Yellow Flash, which is exactly what Minato was called. I'm not going to waste my time quoting the rest of your posts as they say nothing new.

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This is fact no matter how many of you make these ridiculous excuses. Yellow Flash refers to Minato's speed. Minato only got that title because of Hiraishin. Him being fast without it doesn't invalidate these facts.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

You need to stop being a fanboy if you want me to bother arguing with you. Ay never once said Minato is physically faster than him. What is shown is that Minato needs Hiraishin to dodge Ay's top speed. The rest is irrelevant and was addressed anyway. Minato moving instantly doesn't make him the fastest. It's what he can do with his teleportation that grants him his speed and that's why Juubito was tearing his ass apart in the speed department despite Minato being able to move instantly.

As for why Tsunade and B were comparing them to Minato, when Naruto moves, to people like them he moves so fast that it looks like he moved instantly hence them comarping him to Minato. That and he leaves a Yellow Flash, which is exactly what Minato was called. I'm not going to waste my time quoting the rest of your posts as they say nothing new.



This is fact no matter how many of you make these ridiculous excuses. Yellow Flash refers to Minato's speed. Minato only got that title because of Hiraishin. Him being fast without it doesn't invalidate these facts.

Minato is pretty slow compared to war arc characters. Naruto dodged A's full speed with his shunshin while minato had to use ftg which is parallel to a summoning jutsu as the user appears in the marking, it cannot be compared to foot speed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato is pretty slow compared to war arc characters. Naruto dodged A's full speed with his shunshin while minato had to use ftg which is parallel to a summoning jutsu as the user appears in the marking, it cannot be compared to foot speed.

It counts as speed whether you guys like it or not. You can keep telling me how it's teleportation but the author of this Manga doesn't care so neither should you. The only people faster than Minato are Juubi Jinchuuriki and Rikudo characters. Oh yeah, and 8G Gai.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

It counts as speed whether you guys like it or not. You can keep telling me how it's teleportation but the author of this Manga doesn't care so neither should you. The only people faster than Minato are Juubi Jinchuuriki and Rikudo characters. Oh yeah, and 8G Gai.

The director agrees with me though. DB page itself says " flight across space and time " =/= shunshin which is high speed movement, rather = Kamui mechanics. Well if you wanna consider kamui as raw speed, go on.

 

[To Whatever]

It counts as speed whether you guys like it or not. You can keep telling me how it's teleportation but the author of this Manga doesn't care so neither should you. The only people faster than Minato are Juubi Jinchuuriki and Rikudo characters. Oh yeah, and 8G Gai.

Took a juubi Jins and plot to harm him.

Dat Minato.

 

[KidGamer65]

The director agrees with me though. DB page itself says " flight across space and time " =/= shunshin which is high speed movement, rather = Kamui mechanics. Well if you wanna consider kamui as raw speed, go on.

I never once stated any of this is raw speed so I don’t know what point you think you have.

Minato was called the yellow flash because of Hiraishin. End of story.

 

[kiiro]

Now Minato reacting to Ay means his reflexes are faster? Do you even know what reflexes are or are you just this much of a autistic little tool? I’ll address the rest of your garbage post when I have time.

What is it?

 

[kiiro]

Nothing of what you said is right. It wasn't off panel, we have a clear idea of distance,

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What Kakashi did is not a blitz, and the fact that Kaguya was in her 'out of control' mode changes things. Sakura's can be considered by the raw definition of the word, but then again she had both Naruto and Sasuke cornering Kaguya for her, so its hardly the same thing.



And this is just another discussion entirely.

Can you prove that it was the real Naruto or a clon? If not, both of us are just speculating. And she was not in her control? Well she was that biju form but I dont think she became slower.

 

[kiiro]

But it does. MS Sasuke couldn't follow V2 Ay yet EMS Sasuke was tracking and keeping up with JJ Obito who is faster.




But it's still a speed feat.




Yes it is. Minato was literally praised as the fastest due to FTG. Tobirama also in his era.

1.- Sasuke was far away. Reason that Juubi Jinchuriki Obito in version 1 blitzed several times Sasuke when he was close. I can see an airplane from far way but not for that I can do it if it is close.
2.- Yes it is, but it doesnt prove Sasuke faster since it was a combo attack and they did it that way.
3.- He was praised as the Yellow flash becuase the FTG, not as the fastest. He was called the fastest for his unbeatable speed and teleport. Not only for FTG.

 

[kiiro]

You need to stop being a fanboy if you want me to bother arguing with you.

You need to start thinking if you want to argue.

Ay never once said Minato is physically faster than him. What is shown is that Minato needs Hiraishin to dodge Ay's top speed.

Did he said he was faster due FTG?

The rest is irrelevant and was addressed anyway. Minato moving instantly doesn't make him the fastest. It's what he can do with his teleportation that grants him his speed and that's why Juubito was tearing his ass apart in the speed department despite Minato being able to move instantly.

Here are talking about two things ok. Juubi and Madara are the fastest. Rikudou Power Up Ninjas are the fastest. Minato nor anyone enters in their tier. So dont compare them unless you cant see the difference in their power.

As for why Tsunade and B were comparing them to Minato, when Naruto moves, to people like them he moves so fast that it looks like he moved instantly hence them comarping him to Minato. That and he leaves a Yellow Flash, which is exactly what Minato was called. I'm not going to waste my time quoting the rest of your posts as they say nothing new.

Is that is what you supposed or was it said in the manga? Or can Minato really leave a trace of a yellow flash without moving?
As long you cant proof this then we both are speculating. And I am talking about manga or databooks source only.

This is fact no matter how many of you make these ridiculous excuses. Yellow Flash refers to Minato's speed. Minato only got that title because of Hiraishin. Him being fast without it doesn't invalidate these facts.

I know that that is a fact. His NICKNAME is due his USAGE of the FTG. His "KNOWN AS THE FASTEST IN GOD LIKE SPEED" speed hype isnt.

 

[KidGamer65]

What is it?

What is what?

 

[kiiro]

Minato is pretty slow compared to war arc characters. Naruto dodged A's full speed with his shunshin while minato had to use ftg which is parallel to a summoning jutsu as the user appears in the marking, it cannot be compared to foot speed.

Minato did not elude his attack, he counter it. Two different things. Minato didnt NEEDED to use FTG, he CHOSE to use it.

 

[KidGamer65]

You need to start thinking if you want to argue.




Did he said he was faster due FTG?

That is what the databook states. That is what the Manga shows.

Here are talking about two things ok. Juubi and Madara are the fastest. Rikudou Power Up Ninjas are the fastest. Minato nor anyone enters in their tier. So dont compare them unless you cant see the difference in their power.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Is that is what you supposed or was it said in the manga? Or can Minato really leave a trace of a yellow flash without moving?
As long you cant proof this then we both are speculating. And I am talking about manga or databooks source only.

Irrelevant to what I said. Where in the post you quoted did I state that Minato left a yellow flash when he moved?

I know that that is a fact. His NICKNAME is due his USAGE of the FTG. His "KNOWN AS THE FASTEST IN GOD LIKE SPEED" speed hype isnt.

Dude. I don't give two shits about your excuses. The DB says he was the Yellow Flash because of Hiraishin. Ay would've punched Minato's head off if it weren't for Hiraishin. End of story. Don't expect me to go back and forth with an echo of a moron's sentiments.

 

[kiiro]

What is what?

reflexes

 

[KidGamer65]

reflexes

The scan has been posted. Not interested in arguing fact if that's your intent here.

 

[kiiro]

That is what the databook states. That is what the Manga shows.

Databook states his nickname for his usage of FTG. In manga you see what you want to see. It is clear, Minato used in every fight his FTG. True, but you cant ignore his speed feats in it.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Irrelevant to what I said. Where in the post you quoted did I state that Minato left a yellow flash when he moved?

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"As for why Tsunade and B were comparing them to Minato, when Naruto moves, to people like them he moves so fast that it looks like he moved instantly hence them comarping him to Minato. That and he leaves a Yellow Flash, which is exactly what Minato was called. I'm not going to waste my time quoting the rest of your posts as they say nothing new."

How can Minato leave a Yellow flash when he doenst move? That is what I meant. And it is not irrelevant. How is it that Ay did not say a thing about Obito who used Space Time jutsus. If only usage of a teleport tecnic is needed to be called the fastest then Obito should be first then Ay second yet his speed feats was never hyped.

Dude. I don't give two shits about your excuses. The DB says he was the Yellow Flash because of Hiraishin. Ay would've punched Minato's head off if it weren't for Hiraishin. End of story. Don't expect me to go back and forth with an echo of a moron's sentiments.

Excuses? You use the databook to show a point it doesnt say. I accept that Minato is known as the yellow flash because his tecnic. No argue. But is that enough to be called as the

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Dont think so, if not then what about Tobirama? Obito? Why not compare fast characters to them and not only Minato?

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Here you can see that his speed and his tecnic is separated.

 

[kiiro]

Like I said, post something that warrants a new response and I'll gladly give you one. The rest of your post is stupid as expected. What does Hiraishin not facilitating Minato's foot speed have to do with anything? I stated that for someone without teleportation to be faster than Minato they need to have the foot, attack, and reaction speed necessary to land blows on him without him being able to escape. That has nothing to do with what makes Minato the fastest. So no, nobody proved themselves wrong you just proved that you don't know how to read. :lol

Bold is idiotic and was addressed below but I'll address it here. Minato having slower reflexes than Ay has literally not a damn thing to do with him being able to perceive Ay's movements. I don't even know where the hell you thought you were going with this dumbass attempt at an argument as you've still failed to prove the following:

-The Databook lied when it said Hiraishin made Minato the Yellow Flash.
-The Manga lied when Ay held Minato above him despite Minato being a teleporter.






You still aren't answering my question. When you perceive a movement it means that your reflexes are good enough to react to that level of speed. Period. That has nothing to do with the other person's reflexes when it's the target's reflexes and reaction speed vs the attacker's attack or movement speed. So no, it doesn't.

Like I said, stop trying to pass alternative facts as some kind of argument. Especially when you can't even properly connect your own claim with your own evidence. And I love how you blatantly ignored me telling you what C said about Ay's reflexes so let's go over it again now that I have found the scan.

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"Lord Raikage's nerve transmission and reaction speed are on par with the Yellow Flash..."

"Surprised they are keeping up"

"But Lord Raikage is using Raiton to augment those reflexes"

Ay without enhancements has reaction speed on par with that of Minato's. Thus Ay with enhancements is superior in that field. Just another reason why this whole "if you can react to someone you have better reflexes than them is idiotic to say the least. Then we have:

-Tobirama reacting to Juubito, but Juubito having faster movement and reaction speed.
-SM Naruto reacting to Madara, but Madara having superior reflexes and movement speed.
-Deidara reacting to Sasuke, but Deidara admitting two pages later that Sasuke is way too fast for him.,

And I could go on.

Ok. Minato here reacted to Ay. Waited for Ay to be close, throws the kunai in blind spot, teleports away and back, get the kunai and swings to hit Ay. Ay was the one that couldt react to Minato reason Bee helped him

 

[KidGamer65]

Databook states his nickname for his usage of FTG. In manga you see what you want to see. It is clear, Minato used in every fight his FTG. True, but you cant ignore his speed feats in it.

The Yellow Flash is a title due to speed. Hiraishin gave him that speed. Fact.

Irrelevant to the discussion.

"As for why Tsunade and B were comparing them to Minato, when Naruto moves, to people like them he moves so fast that it looks like he moved instantly hence them comarping him to Minato. That and he leaves a Yellow Flash, which is exactly what Minato was called. I'm not going to waste my time quoting the rest of your posts as they say nothing new."

How can Minato leave a Yellow flash when he doenst move? That is what I meant. And it is not irrelevant. How is it that Ay did not say a thing about Obito who used Space Time jutsus. If only usage of a teleport tecnic is needed to be called the fastest then Obito should be first then Ay second yet his speed feats was never hyped.

Then I corrected myself in that post, which is why I asked you where IN THAT POST did I say this? Can you people read? As for the rest, it is irrelevant. Minato needed Hiraishin against Ay and it was the only reason Ay admitted inferiority. Fact no matter how many excuses you make.

Excuses? You use the databook to show a point it doesnt say. I accept that Minato is known as the yellow flash because his tecnic. No argue. But is that enough to be called as the

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Dont think so, if not then what about Tobirama? Obito? Why not compare fast characters to them and not only Minato?

The Yellow Flash refers to his speed. Stop trying to separate the two.

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Here you can see that his speed and his tecnic is separated.

Cut the shit. Nowhere does this article separate Hiraishin from his speed. It even blatantly states that his technique is what gives him his speed which gave him his title. :lol You'd have to be a delusional idiot to sit here and argue that Minato was called the Yellow Flash because of Hiraishin, but not because it was what gave him that overwhelming speed. Stop it.

This is the last time I'm going to tell you this. The databook states Minato is The Yellow Flash because of Hiraishin. Minato w/ Hiraishin is what earned him that title. Ay is canonically faster than Minato physically. Minato needed Hiraishin to dodge him. Fact.

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Ok. Minato here reacted to Ay. Waited for Ay to be close, throws the kunai in blind spot, teleports away and back, get the kunai and swings to hit Ay. Ay was the one that couldt react to Minato reason Bee helped him

Irrelevant. He needed Hiraishin. Fact.