Sasuke's Senjutsu Susanoo

[DHOH]

Yeah, and I'm there for dealing with Naruto fans' objections as well.

Thanks.. I'm at my job and my responses will be short and sweet because I don't have the time right now.

 

[DHOH]

Well...Naruto has the Six Paths Sage Chakra, and Sasuke uses Six Paths Power. There is a difference.

Lol yea everyone knows this.. That has nothing to do with the thread.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Merging of the 9 bijuus chakra is actually what creates Juubi's chakra/nature energy, not Gedo statue. Gedo Mezo was merely a medium of merging the bijuus chakra into one source of chakra, which Sasuke did it using Susanoo. Plus, Gedo Mezo was also required to create the Juubi itself, but the Juubi's chakra can be created with 9 Bijuus chakra merging. And yes, that is Senjutsu chakra = Juubi's chakra = 9 Bijuus chakra combined = Sasuke's Six Paths Yin chakra.



No. All Bijuus chakra combined together to form the Juubi's chakra, which means all Bijuus chakra combine together to form Senjutsu chakra without attempting to absorb it.

Logically, all 9 Bijuus chakra is not Senjutsu chakra individually since they're fragments. Tea (Juubi/Senjutsu chakra) is made by milk, sugar, tea leaves etc (Bijuus chakra). But individually, milk, sugar, tea leaves etc (bijuus) are not tea (Senjutsu chakra).



Again no. My above response will clarify this part surely.

I have same theory in mind (you used very good example with tee ).

Now to be honest we can´t say for sure.

Ok lets use your example with tea.In this case tea will be juubi chakra/senjutsu.

lets say tea (juubi) have 9 ingredients (leaves,sugar ,milk and so)

So Hagoromo divided juubi chakra into 9 fragments (thats why I said 9 ingredients) to create 9 Bijuus.

Now thing what we don´t now is how he divided it :

a) is each bijuu made from just one ingredients .

b) or does each bijuu contain small part of all 9 ingredients.

Same goes for human chakra ,we don´t know what ingredients are compared to juubi chakra.

 

[SasuKushiDP]

Lol yea everyone knows this.. That has nothing to do with the thread.

4. Sasuke received a half of Hagoromo. What is Hagorom's chakra? Senjutsu.

Senjutsu is a feature of Rikudou's Yang half.

 

[DHOH]

Your theory makes sense so I'll have to rep you. Although I dont think it was senjutsu but rather sage powered from merging the chakras inside his PS. Good thread though.

Well Senjutsu is essentially sage power to begin with.. It's practically the same. What makes sage power is the chakra and the sage chakra is senjutsu.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

When was it ever stated that Sasuke can produce Senjutsu chakra on his own?

He can't. Just like Juubi can't create Senjutsu on its own. They naturally have Senjutsu chakra, they don't produce it. On the contrary, Naruto and Kurama have to produce it.

He needed Juugo to infuse it during the Obito fight

Sasuke's Indra chakra =/= Senjutsu chakra, that's why. Only Rikodou chakra is Senjutsu.

and then got it from the Bijuu in VOTE2.

Yes, and 9 Bijuus chakra (merged) = Juubi's chakra = Six Paths chakra (which Sasuke has).

He did get a power-up from Hagoromo but that was the Rinnegan while Naruto got the Sage of the Six Paths Senjutsu.

Those were powers. We're talking about the source of powers.

I would agree that his chakra reserves grew after VOTE2 but I still don't think he has the needed amount to use produce and use Senjutsu on his own.

He can EASILY produce and use Senjutsu chakra IF he learns Sage Mode. But he doesn't know Sage Mode, so he cannot produce Senjutsu chakra. He only has Senjutsu chakra from Six Paths Yin chakra because it is naturally made up of it. He does NOT have Six Paths Senjutsu chakra like Naruto, mind you. Only Senjutsu chakra.

Well...Naruto has the Six Paths Sage Chakra, and Sasuke uses Six Paths Power. There is a difference.

Naruto has Six Paths Senjutsu chakra. Sasuke has just Senjutsu chakra. There is also a difference in that.

It takes more than combining chakra into one to create juubi chakra. This much is obvious.


If that was the case Kurama would have stated something along the lines of "He's creating senjutsu chakra of the juubi by fusing the chakra into one"


Even Naruto would have stated he felt the juubi or "Juubi levels of senjutsu" (which cannot be properly measured)

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You're Kurama sentence demands makes no sense. Why does Kurama have to state it in such clarity that "he's creating the damn senjutsu chakra"? Juubi's chakra = Senjutsu chakra. That's a fact.

Thanos is right.

How do u think Kurama was able to gather Nature energy at Vote 2?

Kurama is not nature energy. Kurama GATHERS nature energy. Big difference...

Your theory makes sense so I'll have to rep you. Although I dont think it was senjutsu but rather sage powered from merging the chakras inside his PS. Good thread though.

Yeah, he does not have Senjutsu, but he has Senjutsu chakra. Not Six Paths Senjutsu chakra though.

 

[DHOH]

Senjutsu is a feature of Rikudou's Yang half.

Senjutsu is a feature of Hagoromo's chakra period..

Don't confuse Hagorom's chakra with some form of mode.

How do you think Sasuke can do a senjutsu chidori(black chidori)? From the chakra he gain from hagoromo.

 

[Dantee]

Well Senjutsu is essentially sage power to begin with.. It's practically the same. What makes sage power is the chakra and the sage chakra is senjutsu.

What Sasuke has is the sages powerful chakra. Naruto doesn't have access to it so he makes it up with the quantity of his chakra and uses it to produce senjutsu. It's a little different.

 

[Nagi]

Sasuke's Susanoo has several different names(Bijuu,Ultimate,Humanoid), but i believe the correct name is Senjutsu PS.

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1. Sasuke didn't use Bijuu chakra to form his new Susanoo. He combined Bijuu chakra into ONE source of chakra.

2. What occur when one combine all 9 bijuu chakra into one? Jyuubi's chakra.

3. What is Jyuubi's chakra?

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A big mass of Senjutsu

4. Sasuke received a half of Hagoromo. What is Hagorom's chakra? Senjutsu.

5. Sasuke's chakra is 1/3 Senjutsu.

6. All 9 bijuu 'combined' =jyuubi = Hagoromo =1/3 Sasuke and all have one thing in common SENJUTSU chakra.

I know the questions are going to be:

Why didn't Sasuke use his own chakra instead of using the Bijuu to make Senjutsu susanoo.
Answer: He fought in a war for two days, meaning he was low on chakra during his fight with Naruto.
Answer2: Sasuke's chakra grew tremendously over the past 12-15 years after the battle.. Proof is look at his chidori in the last, and he can now open kaguya's deminsion. Which obito said was nearly impossible because they are so far away and he needed chakra from Sakura that she's been storing for three years.. Also BZ stated it takes a lot of chakra to reach these demenisons.

Why did Sasuke need Kurama to use Senjutsu Susanoo in the Boruto movie?
Answer: He didn't. Kurama is one bijuu, not nine so he doesn't have senjutsu flowing through him.
Answer2: he didn't. He didn't absorb Naruto/kurama making his Susanoo or chakra any stronger.

Saauke have everything it takes to make Senjutsu Susanoo on his own.. The only difference is he probably can't keep it up as long as he could in Vote2 because the senjutsu chakra he got from combining the bijuu was a larger portion.

Thanks.

Sasuke received the spiritual energy(Yin) of the ole dude! This is not chakra. If you read part one again. They explained that you need to mix spiritual energy and physical energy to make chakra.

So really, you can't say senjutsu.

Senjutsu is a feature of Hagoromo's chakra period..

Don't confuse Hagorom's chakra with some form of mode.

How do you think Sasuke can do a senjutsu chidori(black chidori)? From the chakra he gain from hagoromo.

Yin chidori. A heighten form of chidori. You can overpower the basic things if you heighten a certain portion of the energy in a jutsu, for this case, Sasuke heightened the spiritual energy portion of the chidori.

 

[To Whatever]

You're Kurama sentence demands makes no sense. Why does Kurama have to state it in such clarity that "he's creating the damn senjutsu chakra"? Juubi's chakra = Senjutsu chakra. That's a fact.

....really?

That wasn't the juubi's chakra it was the bijuu chakra. They were separate entities. So it doesn't create senjutstu. The bijuu have to knead NE and Senjutsu chakra when they are split. Kurama made this apparent in that very same chapter.

Just because you have all the bijuu chakra at your disposal does not mean you're using Juubi chakra.

There's no indication that the bijuu were kneading it. Especially since Neither Naruto or Kurama made note of it. On the flip side, Sasuke noted Naruto's NE and Senjutsu Chakra.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Thanks.. I'm at my job and my responses will be short and sweet because I don't have the time right now.

I'm in a similar position.

I have same theory in mind (you used very good example with tee ).

Now to be honest we can´t say for sure.

Ok lets use your example with tea.In this case tea will be juubi chakra/senjutsu.

lets say tea (juubi) have 9 ingredients (leaves,sugar ,milk and so)

So Hagoromo divided juubi chakra into 9 fragments (thats why I said 9 ingredients) to create 9 Bijuus.

Now thing what we don´t now is how he divided it :

a) is each bijuu made from just one ingredients .

b) or does each bijuu contain small part of all 9 ingredients.

Same goes for human chakra ,we don´t know what ingredients are compared to juubi chakra.

Each bijuu is like one ingredient of Senjutsu chakra, the nine ingredients combine to form Senjutsu chakra. That's what we basing off the example.

Senjutsu is a feature of Rikudou's Yang half.

Naruto has Senjutsu, Senjutsu chakra, Six Paths Senjutsu and Six Paths Senjutsu chakra (by relying on Sage Mode).

Sasuke only has Senjutsu chakra (1/4) and that's also because Six Paths Yin chakra is naturally made of it. Sasuke doesn't have anything to do with Senjutsu or doesn't collect natural energy for Senjutsu chakra or Senjutsu abilities, that is Naruto's thing.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

What Sasuke has is the sages powerful chakra. Naruto doesn't have access to it so he makes it up with the quantity of his chakra and uses it to produce senjutsu. It's a little different.

That "Sage's powerful chakra" is actually Senjutsu chakra by default, the Yin counterpart that is. What Naruto produces is the SIX PATHS Senjutsu chakra.

....really?

That wasn't the juubi's chakra it was the bijuu chakra. They were separate entities. So it doesn't create senjutstu. The bijuu have to knead NE and Senjutsu chakra when they are split. Kurama made this apparent in that very same chapter.

Just because you have all the bijuu chakra at your disposal does not mean you're using Juubi chakra.

There's no indication that the bijuu were kneading it. Especially since Neither Naruto or Kurama made note of it. On the flip side, Sasuke noted Naruto's NE and Senjutsu Chakra.

Kurama also made something else very apparent in the very same chapter. Kurama CLEARLY said that Sasuke's merger of the Bijuus chakra was on the same level as Hagoromo's separation. Which means that the 9 Bijuus chakra wasn't simply there together but separately. It was MERGED together. (Sasuke didn't absorb the entire bijuus, so don't say bijuus were separate entities, it's only the chakra Sasuke took). And that produces the Juubi's chakra, which is Senjutsu chakra. Not Six Paths Senjutsu chakra, just Senjutsu chakra.

BTW, bijuus couldn't knead Senjutsu chakra anyway because they were under genjutsu.

 

[Dantee]

That "Sage's powerful chakra" is actually Senjutsu chakra by default, the Yin counterpart that is. What Naruto produces is the SIX PATHS Senjutsu chakra.

That could explain why Sasuke is so compatible with senjutsu without even having to train for it.

 

[To Whatever]

That "Sage's powerful chakra" is actually Senjutsu chakra by default, the Yin counterpart that is. What Naruto produces is the SIX PATHS Senjutsu chakra.



Kurama also made something else very apparent in the very same chapter. Kurama CLEARLY said that Sasuke's merger of the Bijuus chakra was on the same level as Hagoromo's separation. Which means that the 9 Bijuus chakra wasn't simply there together but separately. It was MERGED together. (Sasuke didn't absorb the entire bijuus, so don't say bijuus were separate entities, it's only the chakra Sasuke took). And that produces the Juubi's chakra, which is Senjutsu chakra. Not Six Paths Senjutsu chakra, just Senjutsu chakra.

BTW, bijuus couldn't knead Senjutsu chakra anyway because they were under genjutsu.

The Bijuu's chakra not the bijuu themselves, therefore it had nothing to do with the juubi. Juubi chakra doesn't come from the Bijuu it comes from the juubi itself and that's only when the 9 bodies fuse to make the juubi.

You're saying when all the bijuu chakra merge it magically turns into juubi chakra.

Them being unable to kned senjutsu is obviously another point i'm trying to make.

tbh this isn't worth arguing since this is just a theory on you and the OP's part.

 

[Monxstaa]

wow nice, you put effort into this sasuke <3

 

[BLAZE]

Hmmmm why don't just call it Outer Path Susanoo

 

[DHOH]

The Bijuu's chakra not the bijuu themselves, therefore it had nothing to do with the juubi. Juubi chakra doesn't come from the Bijuu it comes from the juubi itself and that's only when the 9 bodies fuse to make the juubi.

You're saying when all the bijuu chakra merge it magically turns into juubi chakra.

Them being unable to kned senjutsu is obviously another point i'm trying to make.

tbh this isn't worth arguing since this is just a theory on you and the OP's part.

The only thing is a theory is the name of Sasuke's Susanoo. It's a fact that Sasuke has Has Hagoromo's chakra. It's a fact that Hagoromo's chakra is senjutsu. It's a fact that combing the all the bijuu chakra is senjutsu chakra. It's a fact that Sasuke used Senjutsu chakra to make his Susanoo.. Whether it's from the bijuu or Hagoromo, it's still senjutsu.

 

[DHOH]

Hmmmm why don't just call it Outer Path Susanoo

Lol that's not really the point of the thread.. The point is what was used to make the susanoo

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

This is all assumptions, merging the Bijuu chakra doesn't just magically create Juubi chakra that was a collection of Bijuu chakra. The Juubi chakra is from the Juubi end of story. The movie shows Sasuke with the Bijuu cloak before creating the Bijuu Susanoo thus they are linked by chakra, Bijuu Susanoo is the combination of Bijuu chakra and a Susanoo container and last time I checked Kurama was a Bijuu.

Sasuke doesn't have Bijuu Susanoo thought it doesn't mean Naruto is stronger, they are equal.

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Thread hated by Naruto Faps, denying manga Facts once again.

Nice thread, and Effort.!