[Theory] Sasuke's Rinnegan Ability.

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Lol I made this theory before you. :O


It's more than shifting. He can control the actual space of an object/person in a given range. The object/person is swapped to Saskue or placed near him. It is a spatial technique.

I did one earlier than him too.
More complete as I explain why this power of Sasuke was foreshadowed.

I saw 30 threads over that subject (nobody explain the statue behind Sasuke) , the less complete is the famous one...
It's Narutobase , easy to understand=famous...
 

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Sasuke doesnt have to activate his technique he got when he obtained the rinnegan to see the other madara in the limbo world. The technique he gained from the rinnegan is for his space time movement
 

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Good call on the last edit because I thought that both NAruto and Sasuke matched speeds but Sasuke using his ability to pull Madara closer sounds like a more efficient plan.
 

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It's FTG without sealing the target.

weakness:range , lose tomoes? , regeneration time?

Agreed. What do you mean by "lose tomoes" though? Oh, I believe the disappearance of the tomoes is just the mangaka(s) being lazy. Right after Sasuke used his tech to avoid Madara's lightning, he still possessed tomoes, so I don't believe he loses them while his tech is on cool-down (if there is a cool-down time).

But yea, his tech being a short-range FTG that does not use seals seems very plausible... and awesome.
 

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Its more akin to an izanagi ability than space time. Similar but he appears to be using the yin side of creation of all things to rewrite himself in reality. Not quite izanagi but similar. This ability is parallel to Naruto yang side of creation of all things which is making life, which Naruto used on guy.

This is also why he lost his tomoe is because it is very similar to izanagi. I think he will regenerate the tomoe, but for now he is limited in uses and range. This theory has been done quite a bit, but my idea is unique in the fact that nobody has thought of why Sasuke gained this ability.

Because of his yin sage chakra, it is maore akin to izanagi than space time. Link to my thread if you want more info:
 

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From what I came to know from today's chapter,
Sasuke's Left eye's ability is "SHIFTING". At first, I thought, it's an ability of swapping because of this vvvv
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But I was wrong. He can not only swap himself with something else but can also shift himself from one place to another. And this is shown here vvvv
MADARA used the lightning jutsu. Sasuke just activated his ability.
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MADARA aimed the lightning in his other hand towards Sasuke. But Sasuke shifted himself from that place to some where else.
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But, similar to how Madara can use "Limbo" for a particular interval of time as well as he can activate it after a particular interval of time, there's also limitations to Sasuke's Left eye.

Sasuke's left eye's ability can ONLY be used within a certain RANGE and also takes a certain amount of time to be used again.
And that's how he shifted his sword with himself when Madara approached him. But it seems that with this ability he can even use/apply force on the objects he can shift.
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When Madara approached Kakashi who was far away from Sasuke, Madara noticed that Sasuke can't do the shifting technique this far. Instead Sasuke used his speed to approach Kakashi similar to how Madara approached Kakashi with speed. But I think Sasuke actually used the ability to shift himself more close to Kakashi's location to speed up. With this , he was able to utilize his range efficiently and then he speed up to Kakashi.
In this image, you can see Madara found the weak point. Also this page showed Sasuke had to activate his ability to see whether which Madara they attacked. Means the ability was active when he used the shifting to approach Kakashi and then speed up to cut Madara.
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It's more similar to Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. Similar to Minato's technique Sasuke might be leaving some chakra (his) trails on the objects, person he touches (in the current state) and hence when he's in range with the objects, person he touched, he can swap/shift places to avoid/dodge a normal/fatal attack.

There might be chances that by further practice, Sasuke might increase his range or he haven't yet able to fully utilize his left eye's technique.

That's all. Thank You.
Now Discuss.



EDIT : A little more kind of confirmation to my theory.
When Sasuke and Naruto prepared Chidori and Magnet style Rasengan, Sasuke said Naruto to aim his rasengan at him.
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And then this happened
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From the look of it, it looked like Naruto and Sasuke dashed towards Madara from either sides and attacked Madara who was standing infront of them.
But from what I analyzed is that Sasuke activated his ability and shifted Madara from his previous position to in between Naruto and himself. And that's why Naruto sensed Madara's appearance where Sasuke was standing and aimed his rasengan at Sasuke in order to hit Madara who just got shifted. Even Madara seemed surprised.

I think Sasuke's left eye has got a lot more to it than just shifting or swapping. Don't forget that Sasuke's left eye is actually the Sharingan which Kaguya possessed, not the Rinnegan (although it is claimed to be the Rinnegan as of now). And THAT Sharingan had the ability of Tsukuyomi. I personally think Sasuke's new power is the practical application of Tsukuyomi within a specified range i.e a certain radius around him. So that basically means Sasuke can do all the magic he wants within the limited distance. He can control space, time and mass which are the main traits of Tsukuyomi as depicted by Itachi. Madara realized that and withdrew from that territory Sasuke controls, yet still Sasuke somehow reached to Kakashi's location very swiftly, which startled Madara and he said: You are "still" very fast Sasuke. However, all the substantial mechanics behind the functioning of his eye are still too early to establish i.e its resemblance to FTG and its teleportation ability. BTW, if it is really the Tsukuyomi application, then Sasuke can manipulate time at his own whim which explains Sasuke's moves. For example shifting his location was space time ability and transporting Naruto to the other side is the manipulation of all the subjects: space, time and mass. The same goes for that stabbing action for Madara.
 

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I was thinking that maybe he has some kind of control over time, like when he used his own version of Tsukuyomi against Danzo. The difference would be that he doesn't need to make eye contact with anyone like a normal Genjutsu.

HOWEVER, after reading your theory, yours makes a lot more sense :sweat: :win:
 

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I think Sasuke's left eye has got a lot more to it than just shifting or swapping. Don't forget that Sasuke's left eye is actually the Sharingan which Kaguya possessed, not the Rinnegan (although it is claimed to be the Rinnegan as of now). And THAT Sharingan had the ability of Tsukuyomi. I personally think Sasuke's new power is the practical application of Tsukuyomi within a specified range i.e a certain radius around him. So that basically means Sasuke can do all the magic he wants within the limited distance. He can control space, time and mass which are the main traits of Tsukuyomi as depicted by Itachi. Madara realized that and withdrew from that territory Sasuke controls, yet still Sasuke somehow reached to Kakashi's location very swiftly, which startled Madara and he said: You are "still" very fast Sasuke. However, all the substantial mechanics behind the functioning of his eye are still too early to establish i.e its resemblance to FTG and its teleportation ability. BTW, if it is really the Tsukuyomi application, then Sasuke can manipulate time at his own whim which explains Sasuke's moves. For example shifting his location was space time ability and transporting Naruto to the other side is the manipulation of all the subjects: space, time and mass. The same goes for that stabbing action for Madara.

This was what I thought too, rep :win:
 

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I was thinking that maybe he has some kind of control over time, like when he used his own version of Tsukuyomi against Danzo. The difference would be that he doesn't need to make eye contact with anyone like a normal Genjutsu.

HOWEVER, after reading your theory, yours makes a lot more sense :sweat: :win:
Sasuke didn't have Tsukuyomi before transplanting Itachi's eyes. He only gained the ability to use Tsukuyomi after obtaining EMS. His MS powers were Amaterasu (left) and its manipulation (right).
A lot of people misinterpret Danzo's words. Danzo's statement at no point suggests that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. He basically implied that Sasuke's genjutsu (which is the normal Sharingan genjutsu) is quite inferior to Itachi's Tsukuyomi as it does not have the ability to manipulate time.
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Also, when Danzo break free of the genjutsu, he said: "I commend you for actually trapping me in an ILLUSION". He didn't specifically say Tsukuyomi.
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According to Itachi, Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user who possesses the same blood as him. Danzo doesn't have the Uchiha blood. So how did he break free of the Tsukuyomi? That is proof that Sasuke didn't possess Tsukuyomi in that period of time.

This was what I thought too, rep :win:
Thanks...
 

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From what I came to know from today's chapter,
Sasuke's Left eye's ability is "SHIFTING". At first, I thought, it's an ability of swapping because of this vvvv
You must be registered for see images
But I was wrong. He can not only swap himself with something else but can also shift himself from one place to another. And this is shown here vvvv
MADARA used the lightning jutsu. Sasuke just activated his ability.
You must be registered for see images
MADARA aimed the lightning in his other hand towards Sasuke. But Sasuke shifted himself from that place to some where else.
You must be registered for see images
But, similar to how Madara can use "Limbo" for a particular interval of time as well as he can activate it after a particular interval of time, there's also limitations to Sasuke's Left eye.

Sasuke's left eye's ability can ONLY be used within a certain RANGE and also takes a certain amount of time to be used again.
And that's how he shifted his sword with himself when Madara approached him. But it seems that with this ability he can even use/apply force on the objects he can shift.
You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

When Madara approached Kakashi who was far away from Sasuke, Madara noticed that Sasuke can't do the shifting technique this far. Instead Sasuke used his speed to approach Kakashi similar to how Madara approached Kakashi with speed. But I think Sasuke actually used the ability to shift himself more close to Kakashi's location to speed up. With this , he was able to utilize his range efficiently and then he speed up to Kakashi.
In this image, you can see Madara found the weak point. Also this page showed Sasuke had to activate his ability to see whether which Madara they attacked. Means the ability was active when he used the shifting to approach Kakashi and then speed up to cut Madara.
You must be registered for see images

It's more similar to Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. Similar to Minato's technique Sasuke might be leaving some chakra (his) trails on the objects, person he touches (in the current state) and hence when he's in range with the objects, person he touched, he can swap/shift places to avoid/dodge a normal/fatal attack.

There might be chances that by further practice, Sasuke might increase his range or he haven't yet able to fully utilize his left eye's technique.

That's all. Thank You.
Now Discuss.



EDIT : A little more kind of confirmation to my theory.
When Sasuke and Naruto prepared Chidori and Magnet style Rasengan, Sasuke said Naruto to aim his rasengan at him.
You must be registered for see images
And then this happened
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From the look of it, it looked like Naruto and Sasuke dashed towards Madara from either sides and attacked Madara who was standing infront of them.
But from what I analyzed is that Sasuke activated his ability and shifted Madara from his previous position to in between Naruto and himself. And that's why Naruto sensed Madara's appearance where Sasuke was standing and aimed his rasengan at Sasuke in order to hit Madara who just got shifted. Even Madara seemed surprised.

This is what the Wiki says: "He is also able to see otherwise invisible targets, and moreover, has gained the ability to teleport himself and anyone near him within a limited range."
You're pretty spot on man :win:
 

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I'm 100% sure it's 9 tomoe. Kishi is just making nonstop drawing errors. Unless it's stated that he is losing and regenerating the tomoe it's definitely 9.
 

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This is what the Wiki says: "He is also able to see otherwise invisible targets, and moreover, has gained the ability to teleport himself and anyone near him within a limited range."
You're pretty spot on man :win:

thanks bro =D
I'm 100% sure it's 9 tomoe. Kishi is just making nonstop drawing errors. Unless it's stated that he is losing and regenerating the tomoe it's definitely 9.

it's either 9 or 6.
In previous chapter, Sasuke was shown with 6 tomoes ( facing Naruto) and then with 9 tomoes (when Madara was talking)
In the current chapter, Sasuke was shown with 6 tomoes and sometimes without tomoes.

I don't believe that he loses tomoes as soon as he uses his left eye ability. otherwise in the previous chapter It should have been still EITHER 6 or 9 tomoes (I don't which one is the mistake) because Sasuke didn't used his left eye ability in previous chapter.
 

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I'm choosing to believe the frame where he looks at Madara. It's the closest and most detailed image we have of his eye so far. Plus he has the juubi eye and the juubi had 9 tomoes.



Whether or not I'm right, we'll learn soon enough.
 

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i thought that the reason that Sasuke asked Naruto to aim for him was cos he had lightening which would attract the magnetic sand ball he had, thus doing more damage..
 
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Really nice theory. I had to re-read this chapter several times(*********** translation, because Mangapanda translations are really not up to par) to even try to understand what was happening. I definitely agree that it is a spatial power, but I can't help but think that there is an Izanagi element to it too. And the 9 or 6 tomoe question rages on! It seems that he always has 9 - whether 6 in left, 3 in right or all 9 in left. Is something going on with them, or is it just drawing errors?
 
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