Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o takes the Gauntlet

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Juubidama eradicates it to pieces

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol ,sasuke PS didnt get bigger neither nor naruto's avatar that can be easily deduced by comparing naruto's size to the avatar head or sasuke's size to the forehead jewelry ,that doesn't even start to make sense

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I'll be waiting for your scans of a Mountain Sized Kurama Avatar, even though no Bijuu is Mountain Sized. Not interested in flimsy head jewelry comparisons when I have a clear cut scan.

I mean if something of biju size like the statues looked like that compared to the TTb explosion ,how do you think that ttb range is bigger than ttbrs 's which was as big as the tree stump ?

The trench being visible doesn't prove that the shinju's root or the explosion of the BDFRS is larger than that of the regular Bijuu Dama.

 

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That's dust. Not debris. Two completely different things. Whether or not what Obito did being disintegration doesn't prove that what Naruto's BDFRS did was disintegration. It clearly isn't. That debris in the first panel was made when the meteors collided with the Bijuu Dama's explosion. If that was disintegration, no debris would've been made. It obviously isn't areas it hasn't engulfed completely because the only areas that haven't been touched are the ones that are undamaged, and the debris is literally coming from the explosion.

Kidgamer. The jutsus start up the exact same way. TSBs get thrown, they shine with a white light, they epand. To say that they're not the same or at least immensely similar is pushing it.

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Obito's also knocked debis on its edge away. The presence of debris doesn't mean it doesn't also disintegrate, or mean that there isn't a little of both, as is certainly the case for Jinton.

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Jinton is both disintegrative and explosive, and we even see objects flying as a result of the Jinton clash, just like there's leftovers when Naruto uses his TBBRS.

That doesn't make sense.

It does when you consider the container's size gets bigger when there's more power or a bigger core.

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The bold would be accurate....if the Bijuu Dama from Kurama Mode Naruto didn't dwarf the BDFRS Naruto made. The sheer difference in power has to be made up by the Gudo Dama, and there's little proof that there is.

Except that the TSBs, like Jinton, largely contain their energies despite it being capable of destroying things bigger than its size. Just because it's not as big (which is entirely debatable otherwise BTW), doesn't mean its energies can't go further, if, like, say, it were not contained.

In addition to the mechanics, there are hints that they're more powerful.

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Naruto is very worried about what would happen if one of his TBBRS connected with Sasuke. Bear in mind, he's not worried about a disadvantage against Madara, as Sasuke was already retreating. He was worried for Sasuke's life. It wouldn't simply do minor damage like the TBB and chidori clash. It'd destroy PS entirely.


Sasuke doesn't even consider Naruto using a TBB, which you're basically considering his strongest attack at that point, as "something like that won't kill me."

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So here's a question. Sasuke's context is obviously implying Naruto has something more powerful in store (as he's jeered at him not being serious before), so what other attack does Naruto have that would be stronger than a TBB? What technique that Sasuke knew of, was he referring to?


He was not referring to the Ashura Avatar, as he was surprised at the natural energy amount, and had never seen it before.

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Additionally, that means he considered even using a clone spam with multiple TBBs to "not be serious." The only jutsu that could be considered more powerful, is what I've been saying, a TBBRS. Regardless, it's clear that the TBB is not the strongest attack he used up to that point. You have the choice of tailed beast ransenshuriken combo, or TBBRS.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kidgamer. The jutsus start up the exact same way. TSBs get thrown, they shine with a white light, they epand. To say that they're not the same or at least immensely similar is pushing it.

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Bijuu Dama does that.

-Glows white.

-Blows up.

Though it seems you are leaving out the obvious fact that the Gudo Dama expands and has a black color all throughout. Bijuu Dama and BDRS hit the target, glow white and then blow up with a white explosion. If anything, BDRS is a Bijuu Dama on steroids (in comparison to BM Naruto's) considering the explosion sequence and the explosion itself are literally identical. Denying that is pushing it.

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Obito's also knocked debis on its edge away. The presence of debris doesn't mean it doesn't also disintegrate, or mean that there isn't a little of both, as is certainly the case for Jinton.

Debris from the surrounding crater made by the disintegration. Debris spread by the force of the explosion. What was actually inside the crater was disintegrated. Yet we see LARGE chunks of rocks fall from the explosion which is supposed to disintegrate things, not even small pieces of debris which were from the outskirts of said explosion.

Jinton is both disintegrative and explosive, and we even see objects flying as a result of the Jinton clash, just like there's leftovers when Naruto uses his TBBRS.

Lol, please don't compare the two. Despite the rock being caught in the explosion, we see debris fall from the sky. Large chunks of rock. The Jinton scenario is explained the same way I explained above.

It does when you consider the container's size gets bigger when there's more power or a bigger core.

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Misunderstood what you meant by container. This makes sense.

Except that the TSBs, like Jinton, largely contain their energies despite it being capable of destroying things bigger than its size. Just because it's not as big (which is entirely debatable otherwise BTW), doesn't mean its energies can't go further, if, like, say, it were not contained.

Yeah, but that isn't automatic proof that it's stronger than a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs it. Even if we say that a Jinton>Bijuu Dama when they are the same size, where is the proof that this difference would bridge the gap between a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs BDRS?

And that's even assuming it carries jinton esque properties. Given:

-Large chunks of rock falling from the explosion point. (do you see large chunks of anything when Jinton vaporizes it?)
-The explosion being identical to Bijuu Dama's.
-The sequence being identical to Bijuu Dama's.

It should be clear that it's just a regular Bijuu Dama. A Gudo Dama is converted to a Bijuu Dama.

In addition to the mechanics, there are hints that they're more powerful.

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Naruto is very worried about what would happen if one of his TBBRS connected with Sasuke. Bear in mind, he's not worried about a disadvantage against Madara, as Sasuke was already retreating. He was worried for Sasuke's life. It wouldn't simply do minor damage like the TBB and chidori clash. It'd destroy PS entirely.

Not wanting to hit Sasuke=/=Sasuke's PS being unable to tank one. That simple. Bold is nothing but an assumption formed off of incomplete info and a misinterpreted statement. Why would he want to hit Sasuke? Why would he not make sure that Sasuke doesn't get hit regardless of whether or not he can tank it? Same reason why people dodge attacks despite being able to tank them.

Then there's the fact that Naruto knowing the limits of Sasuke's Susanoo is pretty much baseless. Then there's the fact that the claim of 1 BDFRS being so much stronger than a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs it that it'll wreck the same Avatar that took a standard Kurama Bijuu Dama 2x w/ minor damage is illogical and unsupported by fact. All you have is "It's Jinton like, so it must be much stronger"

So here's a question. Sasuke's context is obviously implying Naruto has something more powerful in store (as he's jeered at him not being serious before), so what other attack does Naruto have that would be stronger than a TBB? What technique that Sasuke knew of, was he referring to?

Hmm, I don't know, how about the obvious "Larger Bijuu Dama" choice. How about clones with Bijuu Dama? Lol.

Additionally, that means he considered even using a clone spam with multiple TBBs to "not be serious."

Except all he said was that what Naruto used isn't enough to kill him. Clones with 4 Bijuu Dama being fired at once>>>>One Bijuu Dama at once. That's another thing that Naruto has which is superior to the singular Bijuu Dama he used on Sasuke.

The only jutsu that could be considered more powerful, is what I've been saying, a TBBRS. Regardless, it's clear that the TBB is not the strongest attack he used up to that point. You have the choice of tailed beast ransenshuriken combo, or TBBRS.

-Shadow Clones w/ Bijuu Dama>1 Bijuu Dama.

-Bigger Bijuu Dama>Smaller Bijuu Dama.

So yes, Naruto has other jutsu that can be considered more powerful. You've just assumed that he was talking about a BDFRS.

 

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Bijuu Dama does that.

-Glows white.

-Blows up.

Interesting. Didn't notice that, but this is far from over.

Though it seems you are leaving out the obvious fact that the Gudo Dama expands and has a black color all throughout. Bijuu Dama and BDRS hit the target, glow white and then blow up with a white explosion. If anything, BDRS is a Bijuu Dama on steroids (in comparison to BM Naruto's) considering the explosion sequence and the explosion itself are literally identical. Denying that is pushing it.

In the anime, it's white until it decreases in size. What we saw could have easily been the closing stage.

Debris from the surrounding crater made by the disintegration. Debris spread by the force of the explosion. What was actually inside the crater was disintegrated. Yet we see LARGE chunks of rocks fall from the explosion which is supposed to disintegrate things, not even small pieces of debris which were from the outskirts of said explosion.

Yes, there were small pieces of debris from Obito's TSB expansion. The TBBRs flat-out didn't touch those rocks period.

Yeah, but that isn't automatic proof that it's stronger than a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs it. Even if we say that a Jinton>Bijuu Dama when they are the same size, where is the proof that this difference would bridge the gap between a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs BDRS?

Is Jinton's effect is never anywhere near the size of a TBB, yet we know which has significant more power, and that's not even taking into consideration that it's not a ransenshuriken, which enhances any nature-related jutsu.


Regardless, these meteors are huge, enough to make mountains look absolutely tiny, and the TBBRS makes them look small in turn.

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I seriously doubt that if it can make something composed of things that makes mountains look like anthills look small, it'll be smaller than half of this explosion.

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It should be clear that it's just a regular Bijuu Dama. A Gudo Dama is converted to a Bijuu Dama.

Oh, so Naruto turns something composed of all elements and turns it into something completely unrelated to those elements and has none to begin with? This makes no sense at all.

Not wanting to hit Sasuke=/=Sasuke's PS being unable to tank one. That simple. Bold is nothing but an assumption formed off of incomplete info and a misinterpreted statement. Why would he want to hit Sasuke? Why would he not make sure that Sasuke doesn't get hit regardless of whether or not he can tank it? Same reason why people dodge attacks despite being able to tank them.

Because he was worried even when he wasn't near Madara for him to take advantage of it. Look at this shocked and worried look, and this is when it's past the shuriken and even warns him after the fact.

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Then there's the fact that Naruto knowing the limits of Sasuke's Susanoo is pretty much baseless. Then there's the fact that the claim of 1 BDFRS being so much stronger than a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs it that it'll wreck the same Avatar that took a standard Kurama Bijuu Dama 2x w/ minor damage is illogical and unsupported by fact. All you have is "It's Jinton like, so it must be much stronger"

lol! So let me get this straight. You're telling me that, Naruto thinks that he could kill him with a TBBRS, and he fights Sasuke without the intent to kill,

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but he uses something that, according to you, is stronger than the thing he thought would kill him???

Hmm, I don't know, how about the obvious "Larger Bijuu Dama" choice. How about clones with Bijuu Dama? Lol.

He also considered TBB with clones to be "not serious." Bear in mind, he can also see his chakra, so how would he barely have enough for 4 TBBs, but have enough for a TBB large enough to kill him?

Except all he said was that what Naruto used isn't enough to kill him. Clones with 4 Bijuu Dama being fired at once>>>>One Bijuu Dama at once. That's another thing that Naruto has which is superior to the singular Bijuu Dama he used on Sasuke.

Again, still not considered serious by Sasuke's standards.

 

[KidGamer65]

In the anime, it's white until it decreases in size. What we saw could have easily been the closing stage.

Lol, I don't care about the anime.

Yes, there were small pieces of debris from Obito's TSB expansion.

Repeating an addressed point doesn't make it a counter.

The TBBRs flat-out didn't touch those rocks period.

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The amount of dishonesty in this post of yours is astounding. Two manga panels of them colliding with the explosion, the second use of it being even more obvious than the first. Lying about what happened in the manga isn't a counter.

There is no disintegration effect in BDFRS. Never has been. Never will be.

Is Jinton's effect is never anywhere near the size of a TBB, yet we know which has significant more power, and that's not even taking into consideration that it's not a ransenshuriken, which enhances any nature-related jutsu.

Who told you that Jinton is significantly stronger than a Bijuu Dama? Who told you that the AoE of a Jinton at it's max power is inferior to that of a Bijuu Dama. If that scan of Onoki being hyped to be able to blow up the whole island is true in the sense you think it is, that'd mean that Jinton's AoE at max power>>>Bijuu Dama's.

But then again, considering an Onoki+Tsunade Jinton was smaller than an island, it should be obvious that Onoki can't obliterate the whole island.

Regardless, these meteors are huge, enough to make mountains look absolutely tiny, and the TBBRS makes them look small in turn.

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I seriously doubt that if it can make something composed of things that makes mountains look like anthills look small, it'll be smaller than half of this explosion.

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You can literally see the same effect with the BDFRS. Lol. Literally. Then there's the fact that Bijuu Dama>BDRS in size by far, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to argue that the smaller one is larger than the other one when no panel even begins to prove your point. That's like saying Naruto's Standard Bijuu Dama yields a bigger one than his Flash Bijuu Dama. Lol.

Oh, so Naruto turns something composed of all elements and turns it into something completely unrelated to those elements and has none to begin with? This makes no sense at all.

Sorry. That's what the manga explicitly shows, and your only counters to that have been repeating your argument, and ignoring panels that prove your point even going as far as to lie about what occurred in said panels. What doesn't make sense in your eyes doesn't matter.

Because he was worried even when he wasn't near Madara for him to take advantage of it. Look at this shocked and worried look, and this is when it's past the shuriken and even warns him after the fact.

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lol! So let me get this straight. You're telling me that, Naruto thinks that he could kill him with a TBBRS, and he fights Sasuke without the intent to kill,

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but he uses something that, according to you, is stronger than the thing he thought would kill him???

Once again, you are assuming that he thought Sasuke would die from one hit of his attack. All he wanted to do was not hit Sasuke. It's really that simple.

He also considered TBB with clones to be "not serious."

Irrelevant and false. Sasuke considered a Bijuu Dama with clones to be too weak because he was using a far stronger construct than what he had been using before.

So here's a question. Sasuke's context is obviously implying Naruto has something more powerful in store (as he's jeered at him not being serious before), so what other attack does Naruto have that would be stronger than a TBB? What technique that Sasuke knew of, was he referring to?

That is your main point. That is the point that coincides with your argument. What Sasuke considers serious isn't.

Bear in mind, he can also see his chakra, so how would he barely have enough for 4 TBBs, but have enough for a TBB large enough to kill him?

Whoever said he barely had enough for 4 Bijuu Dama? How is this even relevant?

Again, still not considered serious by Sasuke's standards.

It's irrelevant what's considered serious. What's relevant is that it's stronger than what he used against Sasuke to begin with.

 

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I'll be waiting for your scans of a Mountain Sized Kurama Avatar, even though no Bijuu is Mountain Sized. Not interested in flimsy head jewelry comparisons when I have a clear cut scan.

There are many reasons make me not interested in mountain logic too Lol,you get stuck to that and refuse any other size comparison !!!!! ,comparing a human size to the PS avatar head to find out if it got bigger or not >>>>> comparing the avatar to the mountains

The avatar getting boost isn't making him bigger ,PS and kuarma avatar size arent proportional to the chakra ,that doesn't even start to make sense ,naruto's BSM avatar is as big as Minato BM Avatar ,though naruto's avatar got a senjutsu boost

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You can also see that biju PS was still as big as karma avatar though it got a massive boost

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So you saying getting boost would make your Susano bigger is BS
I swear that you think their PS and avatar are as big as jiubi now Lol

The trench being visible doesn't prove that the shinju's root or the explosion
of the BDFRS is larger than that of the regular Bijuu Dama

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At least sasuke PS wasn't visible here Lol

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[KidGamer65]

There are many reasons make me not interested in mountain logic too Lol,you get stuck to that and refuse any other size comparison !!!!!

It's the most reliable form of size comparison...you ignoring it means you're basically saying you have no real counter argument.

comparing a human size to the PS avatar head to find out if it got bigger or not >>>>> comparing the avatar to the mountains

No, it's not.

The avatar getting boost isn't making him bigger

Except Manga shows that it did.

,PS and kuarma avatar size arent proportional to the chakra ,that doesn't even start to make sense ,naruto's BSM avatar is as big as Minato BM Avatar ,though naruto's avatar got a senjutsu boost

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You can also see that biju PS was still as big as karma avatar though it got a massive boost

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So you saying getting boost would make your Susano bigger is BS
I swear that you think their PS and avatar are as big as jiubi now Lol

Your reasoning why it can't happen isn't relevant because it did happen. You're going to have to deal with it. This is why I advise no one to argue with you. You ignore the facts that prove you wrong and continue on with garbage logic.

When you have scans of a Mountain Sized Kurama, then we can talk.

At least sasuke PS wasn't visible here Lol

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Your point? Lol. Sasuke's PS isn't the same size as the trench. The trench is deep and goes on for a pretty long distance. Basically a hole in the ground. So it'll always be visible. I've already shown on two fronts that it's bigger. Via comparing it to the surrounding Mountains and via comparing the sizes of the respective balls before the explosion. Not interested in your faulty scaling abilities.

 

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QUOTE=KidGamer65;18656327]It's the most reliable form of size comparison...you ignoring it means you're basically saying you have no real counter argument.

No it isn't ,using landmarks and and a person like sasuke in common is much more reliable ,with your mountain logic ,naruto's avatar and sasuke's PS is bigger than jiubi

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that is immposible not when madara looks like that to the jiubi head

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while naruto and sasuke looks like that to their avatar head

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No ,it isn't

No it is ,I can't believe that you burst at me like that because I am using land marks and sasuke inside his PS's head to scale

Except Manga shows that it did.

No ,manga did show that sasuke PS didn't get any bigger

Your reasoning why it can't happen isn't relevant because it did happen. You're going to have to deal with it. This is why I advise no one to argue with you. You ignore the facts that prove you wrong and continue on with garbage logic.

When you have scans of a Mountain Sized Kurama, then we can talk

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Lol ,at least I proved that getting a boost whatever it is ,won't make your PS or avatar bigger ,saying sasuke PS got bigger is BS

Facts prove me wrong? Which facts ,I never used mountain logic to start with ,so no I don't ignore what proves me wrong ,I don't even believe in mountain logic even if it proved me right ,you are the one who dropped any other size comparison proves you wrong other than mountains one though it clearly proves that mountains one isn't accurate in any shape or form

Your point? Lol. Sasuke's PS isn't the same size as the trench. The trench is deep and goes on for a pretty long distance. Basically a hole in the ground. So it'll always be visible. I've already shown on two fronts that it's bigger. Via comparing it to the surrounding Mountains and via comparing the sizes of the respective balls before the explosion. Not interested in your faulty scaling abilities.

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The trench depth was visible not just the trench ,while sasuke's PS wasn't though its height is comparable to the depth of the vote