Sasuke's Ninjutsu Potential

[Apêx1]

Abstract

We know that Sasuke has the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. The former grants him access to all elements and forms of ninjutsu, while the latter allows him to copy any ninjutsu. The ninjutsu he can copy is dependant on his chakra control, so I am suggesting that Sasuke's capable of all ninjutsu through concrete proof.

Explanation

To start, we should note what Kakashi said here [

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]. He says he could manage to copy Rasengan (Ninjutsu) at its A-rank difficulty. For those who don't know, rank of ninjutsu in the Databook/Manga is dictated by its difficulty to learn. Thus any ninjutsu Kakashi sees that's within the A-rank range and is an element within the elements he's learned, is usable for him. So the same applies for someone whose chakra control is comparable to Kakashi's. This is because Kakashi has attributed the 'elemental' and 'spatial' recomposition of chakra to chakra control.

The second point I'd like to explain is the Rinnegan's Ninjutsu prowess. Nagato had the potential to use any Ninjutsu he desired at 10 years old [

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]. This is due to the Rinnegan granting all 5 elements to the wielder and Yin-Yang. However, nobody is actually going to put in the time and effort to learn every jutsu. That's where the Sharingan comes into play and allows its user to copy his techniques mid-fight, or even mirror them at the same time [

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]. Not to mention the Sharingan records ninjutsu [

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], so anything Sasuke has seen in the past can be replicated. That much should be obvious though, given Madara has copied Hashirama's techniques despite them being KKG, etc. So now we have a case of Sasuke being capable of every jutsu he's seen in the manga to date that's A-rank or less, regardless of its element. Any opponent he fights, he'll be able to use his jutsu's against him. That's also possible with the Sharingan to a certain extent, but it has to be within his chakra nature capacity. With the Rinnegan the jutsu's he can use are limitless.

The final point to be addressed is the potential for Rikudo Sasuke. Kurama in the VIZ claimed Sasuke's chakra control was Rikudo level [

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]. That makes him easily capable of any ninjutsu if Kakashi could do any A-rank jutsu as I have already shown Kakashi attributing 'spatial' and 'elemental' chakra recomposition to chakra control. Thus any technique Sasuke sees can be copied. He copies it with his Sharingan, and with his Rinnegan, copies whatever element said jutsu uses in order to replicate it. There's also the fact that Madara has shown the ability to use Ranton which is KKG [

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]. One can suggest it is due to the Rinnegan while another can suggest it is due to the Juubi. Although based on the statement of the Rinnegan giving its user the capacity to learn all ninjutsu, I'd think it's safe to assume KKG is within the limits of the Rinnegan.

 

[LuckyMan]

Good. Narutos potential is higher though. Also no, he can't copy KKG, that was because of Jubi.

 

[Rιver]

Nope.

 

[Varrah]

The ninjutsu he can copy is dependant on his chakra control.

I will read through the rest and respond accordingly, but the insightfulness of the Sharingan can copy jutsu regardless of the chakra quantity needed to use said jutsu (unless that new databook claims otherwise); the Sharingan, however, cannot copy any jutsu Kekkei Genkai. ​

 

[Apêx1]

I will read through the rest and respond accordingly, but the insightfulness of the Sharingan can copy jutsu regardless of the chakra quantity needed to use said jutsu (unless that new databook claims otherwise); the Sharingan, however, cannot copy any jutsu Kekkei Genkai. ​

It's already copied Hashirama's Mokuton. Sharingan merely cannot replicate KKG because it does not have the capacity to gain the traits of a bloodline. It's merely up to the Rinnegan's potential to use KKG, in which you would attribute Madara's Ranton to Juubi or his Rinnegan.

 

[Apêx1]

Good. Narutos potential is higher though. Also no, he can't copy KKG, that was because of Jubi.

His potential is lower then Sasuke's since he has more capacity to learn different Rinnegan techniques, but Naruto is still far ahead him.

 

[Varrah]

It's already copied Hashirama's Mokuton. Sharingan merely cannot replicate KKG because it does not have the capacity to gain the traits of a bloodline. It's merely up to the Rinnegan's potential to use KKG, in which you would attribute Madara's Ranton to Juubi or his Rinnegan.

I actually meant to agree with you, which is why I liked your post—my

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post was wonky and didn't convey what I was thinking correctly. What I intended to say is my response to River.​

Nope

There is a difference between what the Sharingan copies(which is everything it is capable of reading, including Kekkei Genkai), and what those who wield those eyes are able to reproduce.

No limits have been placed on the former, but there are obviously some present for the latter.​

 

[LuckyMan]

No. They can't copy KKG.

The manga explained how KKG works already. Everyone is born with one affinity, enter Naruto (Futon) Uzumaki. In very rare cases, a shinobi is born with 2 affinities, enter Darui (Ranton), and in extremely rare cases someone is born with 3, enter Onoki/Muu/Mei, and most likely Kurotsuchi (not confirmed but I highly think she was).

The nature's needed for the KKG needs to be affinities you were born with for you to be able to fuse them, otherwise Shikamaru wouldn't have mentioned people being born with 2 or more as the reason why they can use said KKG. If you didn't need to be born with them then everyone could just learn nature's, fuse them and utilize hax KKG.

Sasuke was born with Katon and Raiton, the former being because of his Uchiha heritage. The Rinnegan gives him access to them but he wasn't born with them, its just a power of his eye so he can't fuse them and use KKG.

 

[Rιver]

...Again it was not me but Kaaant who is also using my account. I didn't read this, but at some point I think Apex claimed Sharingan can copy KKG. Not possible.

 

[Apêx1]

I actually meant to agree with you, which is why I liked your post—my

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post was wonky and didn't convey what I was thinking correctly. What I intended to say is my response to River.​

There is a difference between what the Sharingan copies(which is everything it is capable of reading, including Kekkei Genkai), and what those who wield those eyes are able to reproduce.

No limits have been placed on the former, but there are obviously some present for the latter.​

Oh, then yea. It's pretty OP to think every jutsu he's seen can be replicated. Imagine the amount he's seen while under Orochimaru's tutelage, the jutsu he saw being used in the War Arc, etc. Even Raikage Ay's Raiton armor is B-rank, so copying it is within Sasuke's limits.

 

[Gagster]

You have three major flaws.

1. Kakashi copied the Rasengan BEFORE he had his sharingan.

2.The Sharingan can only copy hanseals and taijutsu movements, not jutsu.

3. The Rinnegan doesn't allow for someone to use KKG, Madara was only able to use woodstyle because he had a body made of Hashirama's cells.

 

[Gagster]

You have three major flaws.

1. Kakashi copied the Rasengan BEFORE he had his sharingan.

2.The Sharingan can only copy hanseals and taijutsu movements, not jutsu.

3. The Rinnegan doesn't allow for someone to use KKG, Madara was only able to use woodstyle because he had a body made of Hashirama's cells.

 

[Apêx1]

No. They can't copy KKG.

The manga explained how KKG works already. Everyone is born with one affinity, enter Naruto (Futon) Uzumaki. In very rare cases, a shinobi is born with 2 affinities, enter Darui (Ranton), and in extremely rare cases someone is born with 3, enter Onoki/Muu/Mei, and most likely Kurotsuchi (not confirmed but I highly think she was).

Pretty sure Onoki learned Jinton [

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]. He wasn't using it as a child like, say, Haku was using Ice as a child. He actually had to learn about it before he used it. And it's not like Mu had some kind of blood relation with Onoki either.

Rinnegan presumably gives you all 5 chakra elements as affinities. Affinity merely means the easiest one to use and master, but Nagato had all 5 mastered at the age of 10. Would make literally no sense if he had to learn each one as a non-affinity. Not to mention Shinra Tensei requires all 5 elements to be used. So that in itself implies the Rinnegan allows its user to use combinations of different elements for different effects. But I guess it's all up to interpretation, and what Madara used being due to the Rinnegan or due to the Juubi.

You have three major flaws.

1. Kakashi copied the Rasengan BEFORE he had his sharingan.

2.The Sharingan can only copy hanseals and taijutsu movements, not jutsu.

3. The Rinnegan doesn't allow for someone to use KKG, Madara was only able to use woodstyle because he had a body made of Hashirama's cells.

1. Based on absolutely nothing. He definitely did not have Rasengan mastered as a kid. He clearly stated he copied it with his Sharingan.

2. Based on nothing. Kakashi copied Kisame's jutsu and Zabuza's jutsu. He simply needs to analyse his chakra flow and replicate the same pattern. He copied Rasengan which uses no hand seals. He copied many others which use no hand seals. Your point is moot.

3. I didn't suggest Madara's ability to use Mokuton was due to his Rinnegan. I suggested his Ranton was due to the Rinnegan rather then the Juubi, which can be interpreted as 50/50 true or false.

 

[Varrah]

No. They can't copy KKG.

The manga explained how KKG works already. Everyone is born with one affinity, enter Naruto (Futon) Uzumaki. In very rare cases, a shinobi is born with 2 affinities, enter Darui (Ranton), and in extremely rare cases someone is born with 3, enter Onoki/Muu/Mei, and most likely Kurotsuchi (not confirmed but I highly think she was).

The nature's needed for the KKG needs to be affinities you were born with for you to be able to fuse them, otherwise Shikamaru wouldn't have mentioned people being born with 2 or more as the reason why they can use said KKG. If you didn't need to be born with them then everyone could just learn nature's, fuse them and utilize hax KKG.

Sasuke was born with Katon and Raiton, the former being because of his Uchiha heritage. The Rinnegan gives him access to them but he wasn't born with them, its just a power of his eye so he can't fuse them and use KKG.

The Sharingan can copy Kekkei Genkai, it's a simple matter of the Sharingan being unable to reproduce the copied material due to the user's limitations; the Rin'negan alleviates these limitations, hence is why Madara was able to

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Hashirama's

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and later use it

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Naruto. ​

 

[TRE MERCER]

Good thread but im confused on why you made it.​

 

[Rιver]

Ok Varrah has a point, Madara copied Wood Dragon. But I doubt Sasuke can still copy KKG, since Rinnegan gives all elements but even if you have them merging them without KKG is not possible.

If that was your point.

 

[Apêx1]

Good thread but im confused on why you made it.​

Thanks, and because based on this, he can copy any ninjutsu he's seen to date (as MS-EMS) that's below A rank and uses Raiton/Katon, and can copy any ninjutsu ever as Rikudo Sasuke. Same applies for pretty much every Uchiha as long as said jutsu is within their chakra elements. Itachi has Suiton=can make smaller variants of Kisame's jutsu. Has Katon=can make the Katon Dragon's Sasuke used against him. Basically, his arsenal is far larger then what he's shown feats-wise.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Thanks, and because based on this, he can copy any ninjutsu he's seen to date (as MS-EMS) that's below A rank and uses Raiton/Katon, and can copy any ninjutsu ever as Rikudo Sasuke. Same applies for pretty much every Uchiha as long as said jutsu is within their chakra elements. Itachi has Suiton=can make smaller variants of Kisame's jutsu. Has Katon=can make the Katon Dragon's Sasuke used against him. Basically, his arsenal is far larger then what he's shown feats-wise.

Ahh i see. (The sharingan should be able to copy other dojutsu abilities as long as the person coping it has the same Dojutsu) <------[Random thinking] I completely get what your saying.​

 

[Varrah]

Thanks, and because based on this, he can copy any ninjutsu he's seen to date (as MS-EMS) that's below A rank and uses Raiton/Katon, and can copy any ninjutsu ever as Rikudo Sasuke. Same applies for pretty much every Uchiha as long as said jutsu is within their chakra elements. Itachi has Suiton=can make smaller variants of Kisame's jutsu. Has Katon=can make the Katon Dragon's Sasuke used against him. Basically, his arsenal is far larger then what he's shown feats-wise.

This is kinda' why I suggest to people that they shouldn't use the lack of evidence for something as evidence against it, but it is equally important for us to not exaggerate that something which lacks evidence. ​

But I doubt Sasuke can still copy KKG, since Rinnegan gives all elements but even if you have them merging them without KKG is not possible.

It is possible, but it is up to the user.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

The Sharingan can copy Kekkei Genkai, it's a simple matter of the Sharingan being unable to reproduce the copied material due to the user's limitations; the Rin'negan alleviates these limitations, hence is why Madara was able to

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Hashirama's

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and later use it

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Naruto. ​

Mokuton helped not the Rinnegan,​