Sasuke's Imperfect Susanoo [which now has legs] is thanks to Naruto's Chakra!!

[KidGamer65]

I doubt the cloak had anything to do with it. As I explained in my earlier post and also to add, Susanoo is "yang release" meaning Susanoo is "dark chakara". The cloak is "Yin/Light" chakara. Do you see the conflict in this? That is the direct differences of the Senju and Uchiha. If that was the case then Hashirama powers would have given Madara's Sharigan powers an amazing boost. But as you could see it hasn't. In Sasuke's case it just shield him from being hurt. Unless he uses other elemental powers such as fire or lightning then you would see a difference. But the Sharigan chakara is Yin release.

You've got that backwards. The cloak is Yang and Susanoo is Yin, but anyway..

You can't really compare this cloak to Hashirama's DNA, because the latter isn't suppose to increase the power of techniques while the former is. It has nothing to do with the conflict between Yin and Yang, cause Hashirama's DNA has already amplified Sharingan before. (Kotoamatsukami's time limit went down for Danzo

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I believe that the cloak maybe jumpstarted Sasuke so he could create this Susanoo using the latent potential of his EMS, and from now on, he should be able to use this Susanoo w/o Naruto's chakra.

 

[Brooks]

Loool How about you read the thread posts before posting U_U

Well, i don't need to read any posts in this thread since i have read them....but you could use your advice though...​

 

[Zato]

You've got that backwards. The cloak is Yang and Susanoo is Yin, but anyway..

You can't really compare this cloak to Hashirama's DNA, because the latter isn't suppose to increase the power of techniques while the former is. It has nothing to do with the conflict between Yin and Yang, cause Hashirama's DNA has already amplified Sharingan before. (Kotoamatsukami's time limit went down for Danzo

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I believe that the cloak maybe jumpstarted Sasuke so he could create this Susanoo using the latent potential of his EMS, and from now on, he should be able to use this Susanoo w/o Naruto's chakra.

Hashirama's power only restored Shisui's eye because of the windup after using the eye takes time. It granted NO increase of power to the actual ability. That is what I am saying. It is the same for Hashirama's powers and Obito MS. It doesn't increase Obito's powers but instead it just restores the eye and keeps it from going blind/getting damaged. Kakashi is an example of being restored from Yang release because he was able to spam Kamui more time then he stated he ever could. It was thanks to the 9 tails Yang chakara which is also considered "life" chakara that kept Kakashi's sharigan from going blind as well. That is what yang release is which explains why Hashirama can create trees which are living organisms in the first place. What I am saying is that this is proof that yang release grants no increase in actual power to sharigan abilities. But it just serves as a regeneration/restoration to the eye. This is probably because Yin is the direct opposite of Yang in which they need to be balanced to work together. The MS abilities most likely can only function using ONLY Yin release.

This leads me to believe that Naruto and Sasuke will combine both their powers like Madara did with the 9 tails. But like Naruto was able to combine sage art with his powers I believe this can also be done with Sasuke's powers. I don't think you can combine Yin release with MS abilities.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama's power only restored Shisui's eye because of the windup after using the eye takes time. It granted NO increase of power to the actual ability. That is what I am saying. It is the same for Hashirama's powers and Obito MS. It doesn't increase Obito's powers but instead it just restores the eye and keeps it from going blind/getting damaged. Kakashi is an example of being restored from Yang release because he was able to spam Kamui more time then he stated he ever could. It was thanks to the 9 tails Yang chakara which is also considered "life" chakara that kept Kakashi's sharigan from going blind as well. That is what yang release is which explains why Hashirama can create trees which are living organisms in the first place. What I am saying is that this is proof that yang release grants no increase in actual power to sharigan abilities. But it just serves as a regeneration/restoration to the eye. This is probably because Yin is the direct opposite of Yang in which they need to be balanced to work together. The MS abilities most likely can only function using ONLY Yin release.

The bold is my point as well. Hashirama's DNA isn't supposed to increase the power of jutsu, so saying that since Hashirama's DNA didn't boost Madara's Susanoo, Kyuubi cloak won't boost Sasuke's Susanoo (Not saying that it did) is false as Hashirama's DNA isn't supposed to power up jutsu in the first place.

Kyuubi cloak didn't only let Kakashi use Kamui more, it increased the power as he wasn't able to warp Bijuu sized objects before, and he was about to warp the Juubi away, a feat he can't manage without the chakra.

This leads me to believe that Naruto and Sasuke will combine both their powers like Madara did with the 9 tails. But like Naruto was able to combine sage art with his powers I believe this can also be done with Sasuke's powers. I don't think you can combine Yin release with MS abilities.

Plausible. I'd like to see BSM Naruto+Susanoo combination.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Wow this thread needs to be closed. It has a lot of negativity coming from "Minator the Hater"

 

[Zato]

The bold is my point as well. Hashirama's DNA isn't supposed to increase the power of jutsu, so saying that since Hashirama's DNA didn't boost Madara's Susanoo, Kyuubi cloak won't boost Sasuke's Susanoo (Not saying that it did) is false as Hashirama's DNA isn't supposed to power up jutsu in the first place.

Kyuubi cloak didn't only let Kakashi use Kamui more, it increased the power as he wasn't able to warp Bijuu sized objects before, and he was about to warp the Juubi away, a feat he can't manage without the chakra.



Plausible. I'd like to see BSM Naruto+Susanoo combination.

Actually I was half wrong. After doing some research Susanoo is the only MS ability so far that is considered Yin release. I forgot that Yin release was spitiual chakara that creates something from nothing using your imagination and Yin control. Which explains a lot now that I think about it because Susanoo is a spiritual based jutsu. This explains why every Susanoo that has been shown thus far is shown in dark based chakara. I'm not sure about Amateratsu though but it may also be Yin release since you can create it from nothing and you can also create it anywhere within your focused vision.

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually I was half wrong. After doing some research Susanoo is the only MS ability so far that is considered Yin release. I forgot that Yin release was spitiual chakara that creates something from nothing using your imagination and Yin control. Which explains a lot now that I think about it because Susanoo is a spiritual based jutsu. This explains why every Susanoo that has been shown thus far is shown in dark based chakara. I'm not sure about Amateratsu though but it may also be Yin release since you can create it from nothing and you can also create it anywhere within your focused vision.

Ah, I see. All the MS techs are most likely a product of Yin Release.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Ah, I see. All the MS techs are most likely a product of Yin Release.

KidGamer is this thread full of fanboyism by Minator?

 

[Zato]

Ah, I see. All the MS techs are most likely a product of Yin Release.

Not all of them. Susanoo would be Yin release because Susanoo is formed based on Dark(Yin) chakara and represent the spirit of its user. Which Yin release also represent spiritual chakara. Tsukuyomi may also be considered Yin release because Yin release also states that you are able to use that chakara to your imagination. Tsukuyomi is the only Genjutsu known that you can manipulate it fully. When Madara used his genjutsu on Obito he explained that he was using a weaker version of Tsukuyomi but because he was using the statues power it allowed him to form and shape his genjtsu into anything he wanted. Also Tsukuyomi is said to represent the Spiritual World and Darkness well as stated in the manga, this refers back to Yin release. I guess Sasuke,Itachi and Madara only have yin release when it comes to their MS.

Kamui is based off S/T control. Which I have no clue what chakara that uses how its used. Minato and the 2nd uses S/T control as well. I don't think Shisui's ability is considered Yin release as well. I guess it has to fit the characteristic of Yin release. Just like how Hashirama's and Naruto's Bijuu power fits Yang Release.

The Yin Release (陰遁, Inton; Viz "Dark Style" or "Shadow Style") techniques, based on the spiritual energy that governs the imagination, can be used to create form out of nothingness.

 

[Aevis]

People are saying that the kyuubi cloak doesn't give you new powers it only powers up your current powers.

Well that is true, but why are people claiming imperfect susanoo is a new power and therefore isn't because of the kyuubi cloak?

Imperfect susanoo is still susanoo.

It isn't something different, it just has legs and is mobile.

Therefore it is a powered up susanoo and in sasuke's case it is powered up by naruto's kyuubi cloak.

This is the only logical explination right now until we find out more from the next chapters of the manga.

 

[Minator93]

Wow this thread needs to be closed. It has a lot of negativity coming from "Minator the Hater"

KidGamer is this thread full of fanboyism by Minator?

Hater or Fanboy, decide once and for all Lol

You however seem to fall under only one category i.e. butthurt Lol

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

He doesn't need a fodders chakra, sorry.

 

[Minator93]

He doesn't need a fodders chakra, sorry.

I know, he needs God's chakra and hence he's got Naruto's U_U

 

[Twisted007]

Its a doujutsu, that's how it works! Like how he went from 2-tomoe to 3-tomoe. Or like how Tobi pushed him to further hone his Doryoku!

Now that he's activated it, he can do it again U_U

Lmao so now the cloak has an ever lasting effect on doujutsu? can you back up your claims with proof?

It's not the first time that Sasuke couldn't upgrade his Susano in a life and death situation but was able to moments later.

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Few minutes later he is able to use

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Naruto cloak probably had nothing to do with this upgrade, his susano is developing throughout the whole series. We all knew that he would get a perfect susanoo at some point. You just trying to give Naruto credits for this upgrade and right now you can claim that. But as soon as Sasuke uses this version without the cloak (and we all know that he will =D ) your point will be proven wrong.

Its more like the 9 tails chakra acts as a trigger, once he has used the 9 tails chakra the EMS awakens this power.

We never saw Madara actually using PS until the Valley of the End where he had the 9 tails.

As Frikid said, Madara never used the nine tails chakra. He was using the demon as a summoning in his fight. You have to be a jin to use a tailed beast chakra or receive chakra from a jin. Neither was the case with Madara.

I believe that emotions and mental state of the person is what causes the susano to develop, atleast that is what happend with Sasuke. He was able to use V2 after his talk with Gaara, was able to use V3 after Danzo trashtalked Itachi ect.

 

[PabloEscobar]

Just swallow it, KCM Sasuke > EMS Sasuke

 

[Minator93]

Just swallow it, KCM Sasuke > EMS Sasuke

I know that U_U

Lmao so now the cloak has an ever lasting effect on doujutsu? can you back up your claims with proof?

It's not the first time that Sasuke couldn't upgrade his Susano in a life and death situation but was able to moments later.

Sasuke protects him self with

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Few minutes later he is able to use

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Naruto cloak probably had nothing to do with this upgrade, his susano is developing throughout the whole series. We all knew that he would get a perfect susanoo at some point. You just trying to give Naruto credits for this upgrade and right now you can claim that. But as soon as Sasuke uses this version without the cloak (and we all know that he will =D ) your point will be proven wrong.

Ever lasting? It seems that you lack comprehension skills U_U Re-read what I said.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You mean the loser that he beat 3 times, along with his biatch Kyuubi?

Nardo, crying like a loser whiny emoboy, daydreaming about Sasuke like always!

Is he going to break a new record and hyperventilate for Lord Sasuke again? Lol

Oh look, the Naruto hater/basher. You do realize all of Sasuke's victories were a result of Naruto holding back right? In the valley of the end, he could have summoned Gamabunta with his 9 tails chakra, and on top of that, in the ransengan/chidori clash, he could have done as much damage to Sasuke as he did to Naruto, but he chose to make a point instead of tying with Sasuke.


In Orochimaru's lair, he started to suppress the 9 tails. If he didn't, he could have gone 4 tails and ripped Sasuke in 2 during that fight. So Naruto's crying.... Big deal, Sasuke had as well. If Sasuke didn't have a heart of stone and actually cared for the people dying, he'd be crying right now.


Your precocious Sasuke never won a serious fight against Naruto except when Naruto let that be the outcome.


Normally I don't say something like this, but if you're going to play the bashing game, you're getting the same treatment.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

till its proven sasuke and naruto fans u guys are both wrong until kishi states which side is true

 

[Cooh]

Oh look, the Naruto hater/basher. You do realize all of Sasuke's victories were a result of Naruto holding back right? In the valley of the end, he could have summoned Gamabunta with his 9 tails chakra, and on top of that, in the ransengan/chidori clash, he could have done as much damage to Sasuke as he did to Naruto, but he chose to make a point instead of tying with Sasuke.


In Orochimaru's lair, he started to suppress the 9 tails. If he didn't, he could have gone 4 tails and ripped Sasuke in 2 during that fight. So Naruto's crying.... Big deal, Sasuke had as well. If Sasuke didn't have a heart of stone and actually cared for the people dying, he'd be crying right now.


Your precocious Sasuke never won a serious fight against Naruto except when Naruto let that be the outcome.


Normally I don't say something like this, but if you're going to play the bashing game, you're getting the same treatment.

sry but that's completely wrong, the brat Naruto couldn't even summon Gambunta properly and Gambunta wouldn't attack a freaking 13 year old, yet alone listen to one of Narutos orders.

And Sasuke was the one who supressed the Kyuubi, Sasuke could have killed him twice if he wanted to.

 

[Cooh]

Hater or Fanboy, decide once and for all Lol

You however seem to fall under only one category i.e. butthurt Lol

lulz says the guy who made a whole thread full of assumptions and imagination because he's butthurt =D