Sasuke's Gone-Not coming Back!! GET OVER IT!!!!

[lswhyte123]

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The two strongest clans; Uchiha and Senju agreed on treaty and swallowed their prides essentially forgiving each other's sins and later recived an offer to stabilitze the land with the support of the Fire country. This was more or less the birth of Narutoverse's government, with that said these very same families / clans who were previously for hire mercenaries. Only after years of combat did they grew tired and basically decided to change for the better, all of course after killing how many people? Did the Senju and Uchiha, etc. have to pay for all of the murders they committed before making up to get to that point? No.

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Onoki the Tsuchikage himself states that shinobi are always involved in battle, fight solely for their own countries / villages and fail to empathize with others, concerned only with themselves.

Even through all of this he can remain on a positive note stating that everyone is building on top of their past mistakes, and gradually moving towards peace.

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As stated by Onoki this war is about protecting everyone and while sure it's only a hypothetical situation but what if Sasuke were to defend the alliance from Tobi and co? In doing so he could possibly begin a redemption phase to make amends for his crimes.

This war has already begun to positively effect the values the kages -- they are actually voicing out a chance at elimating the hatred inside the ninja world so ruling out the possibility of them being forgiving is simply being close-minded.

I know what you are trying to say but Sasuke's case is different. The Senju & Uchiha were fighting one another for solid reasons and were leading clans in the world. Sasuke is not a strong leader or strong force,he is one man who is doing this on his own and for selfish reasons. Madara wanted to improve things for the Uchiha, as a clan. Sasuke just wants to kill everyone for revenge. You get my drift?

Senju & Uchiha were at war...no one claimed war on Sasuke,that was his undoing.

 

[fayt666]

I know what you are trying to say but Sasuke's case is different. The Senju & Uchiha were fighting one another for solid reasons and were leading clans in the world. Sasuke is not a strong leader or strong force,he is one man who is doing this on his own and for selfish reasons. Madara wanted to improve things for the Uchiha, as a clan. Sasuke just wants to kill everyone for revenge. You get my drift?

Senju & Uchiha were at war...no one claimed war on Sasuke,that was his undoing.

ur right on this it just history repeated all over agian
senju naruto
uchiha sasuke

it was kishis plan to have them as rivals and repeat the blood fued of bad blood.
even if not same situation senju and uchihas always fight think of it as a genetic flaw from generations of hate and disliking each other.
also explains why naruto and sasuke are like ying and yang polar oppisites.
this also explains why when naruto outcast other prided and vise versa. they both are playing in forfathers old mistakes.

 

[lswhyte123]

ur right on this it just history repeated all over agian
senju naruto
uchiha sasuke

it was kishis plan to have them as rivals and repeat the blood fued of bad blood.
even if not same situation senju and uchihas always fight think of it as a genetic flaw from generations of hate and disliking each other.
also explains why naruto and sasuke are like ying and yang polar oppisites.
this also explains why when naruto outcast other prided and vise versa. they both are playing in forfathers old mistakes.

True but irrelevent.

My point is that Sasuke has commited terrible crimes and with no good reason or better reason than to suit himself.

Madara's could be understood and so forgiven. Also,in trying to take out Sasuke,ulitmately lives will be saved and good will be done. But when it was Madara,it would have cost too many lives for them to simply wipe each others clans out.

Killing Sasuke=A few dead & peace.
Killing Madara & Uchiha clan=War,lots of death and potentially risking a weak Senju clan(low numbers) which could be over powered by a neighbouring village.

The merging of Senju & Uchiha was logical.

 

[Last Arcanum]

I know what you are trying to say but Sasuke's case is different. The Senju & Uchiha were fighting one another for solid reasons and were leading clans in the world. Sasuke is not a strong leader or strong force,he is one man who is doing this on his own and for selfish reasons. Madara wanted to improve things for the Uchiha, as a clan. Sasuke just wants to kill everyone for revenge. You get my drift?

Senju & Uchiha were at war...no one claimed war on Sasuke,that was his undoing.

Yes, Sasuke’s case is different but than again when isn’t it? Nothing is going to be exactly the same, the point is to make a comparison of sorts. It was rather the nations as a whole who were at war while various clans were the ones getting hired to lend their strength. I acknowledge that Uchiha and Senju had a vendetta against each another but my argument is they were mercenaries; they sold their professional skills for money, partook in war, etc.

These very same clans that did all of these acts decided to change for the better and pursued peace once they had grown tired.

The Akatsuki organization can be compared to them in that aspect, no? All of the Akatsuki members were internationally wanted for this very act of selling their power to foreign countries.

At this point in time, Sasuke being redeemable still remains as a possibility as he hasn’t achieved his current goal in destroying Konohagakure. I not denying he’s committed crimes but my point is if he undergoes a change of heart and decides to change for the better then him being pardoned could be arranged. He might be able to assist the shinobi alliance in some manner; perhaps against Tobi or something along those lines which would possibly allow him to enter a redemption phase in the eyes of the alliance.

I understand that this all hypothetical and that presently Sasuke doesn’t appear to be changing for the better but that isn’t the point here. I don’t think anyone should remain close-minded about a future pardoning occurring sometime in the future. I’m quite sure if Kishimoto decides to take this route he’ll attempt to make it understandable / logical and not magically pull it out of nowhere. He has already begun to show how the principles of the kages are slowly changing, they are starting to consider peace and have even admitted that shinobi as a whole are at cause for birthing this hatred in the first place. Naruto and the war in general has had a positive impact and that may aid Sasuke if he comes around to his senses.

True but irrelevent.

My point is that Sasuke has commited terrible crimes and with no good reason or better reason than to suit himself.

The merging of Senju & Uchiha was logical.

Every single clan that lent their services to countries for profit were doing it for their own selfish reasons, your point is?

As Onoki stated, the villages have been concerned only with themselves, steal for their own gain and seek revenge after they’ve been deprived. It’s a cycle that has been repeated by the very same villages that condemn Sasuke for what he’s done.

I understand that Sasuke is only one person while a village contains many but who is to say that if he desires redemption and or has a change of heart that Naruto and Konohagakure won’t back him up? It’s still an open debate as far as I’m concerned so no one should be / remain intolerant about it.

I personally feel as if Kishimoto is trying to portray a message to us. It seems as if the very roots of the shinobi world are corrupt and require a renaissance in order to become truly moralized.

 

[ghost nappa]

Get the feeling that he'll probably get some sense beaten into him by naruto in the end and die a hero. There's no way they're just gonna let him waltz back in to the hidden leaf.

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

Gaara was a child and had attempts made on his life. He didn't actively try to kill anyone either. It was Shukaku who did that. Later in his life incidents led him to be evil but it was forgiveable and could be rationalised.

Sasuke's actions cannot be forgiven or rationalised. Sasuke has made his decisions while being fully aware that people loved and cared about him and it was always his decision to act. Gaara did not have the same level of choice or love.

Whilst it is true that his father ordered several failed assassinations on his son he later came to accept him due to Gaara’s increasing mastery over the bijuu and you’re incorrect by stating that Gaara didn’t kill anyone of his own free will. Gaara was indeed heavily influenced by the Shukaku, became mentally unstable and possessed darkness but the fact remains that he did commit these murders actively but under the inluence. The fact that these incidents or "murders" were pardoned meant that Sasuke’s may be as well. A murder is a murder and can either be pardoned or not.

The ironic thing is that I have quoted you numerous times and debated about thus very subject thus I will direct you to one of my posts-I would advise you this time to read:

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Actually Sasuke began to feel betrayed by his own village as he felt they all disregarded his brother’s sacrifices and amongst the darkness eventually became mentally unstable which is comparable to Gaara. You’re also factually stating that "Sasuke's actions cannot be forgiven or rationalized" however, only the mangaka can decide this and he did with Gaara. In my honest opinion I think it can be done for Sasuke as well.

 

[lswhyte123]

Whilst it is true that his father ordered several failed assassinations on his son he later came to accept him due to Gaara’s increasing mastery over the bijuu and you’re incorrect by stating that Gaara didn’t kill anyone of his own free will. Gaara was indeed heavily influenced by the Shukaku, became mentally unstable and possessed darkness but the fact remains that he did commit these murders actively but under the inluence. The fact that these incidents or "murders" were pardoned meant that Sasuke’s may be as well. A murder is a murder and can either be pardoned or not.

The ironic thing is that I have quoted you numerous times and debated about thus very subject thus I will direct you to one of my posts-I would advise you this time to read:

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Actually Sasuke began to feel betrayed by his own village as he felt they all disregarded his brother’s sacrifices and amongst the darkness eventually became mentally unstable which is comparable to Gaara. You’re also factually stating that "Sasuke's actions cannot be forgiven or rationalized" however, only the mangaka can decide this and he did with Gaara. In my honest opinion I think it can be done for Sasuke as well.

Gaara killed yes but not when he was young. It was when he grew past the age of 10 or so that he began to act this way,or after the death of his uncle.
Again though,Gaara wasn't doing it because he had an agenda or out of simple hatred.

Sasuke is acting selfishly and solely from hatred for his village. Additionally,Sasuke is over 16 now,which makes him an adult...lol

To last Arcanum: If Kishimoto makes it so that Sasuke receives a pardon,then he essentially says that you are allowed to kill and cause havoc however you please and as long as you help others out later in life,then you're green. You get to continue as normal.

While I understand some of the points you make,don't detract from the fact that no one will/should want to forget about the lives Sasuke has taken.

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

Gaara killed yes but not when he was young. It was when he grew past the age of 10 or so that he began to act this way,or after the death of his uncle.
Again though,Gaara wasn't doing it because he had an agenda or out of simple hatred.

Sasuke is acting selfishly and solely from hatred for his village. Additionally,Sasuke is over 16 now,which makes him an adult...lol

Gaara’s age is irrelevant to this debate and I don’t see the point. Whilst Gaara may have not possessed an agenda it cannot be denied that he lived murdering anyone whom he felt like. Again does an agenda matter? So long as it involves death I see no difference. Revenge is a selfish act and that goes for Naruto when he wanted to murder Pein for Jiraiya’s death and anyone else who sought revenge. Actually sixteen years of age is still considered a minor in the U.S. and again how is the age of relevance? You’re completing disregarding all of Gaara’s murders because he was pardoned?

Do you remember the Invasion of Konoha via Suna/Oto. Orochimaru proposed a joint alliance against Konoha. The village as a whole accepted their Kage’s decision, attempted to see it through meaning they would have willingly murdered for their village’s success and Gaara played a main role in the plan. Baku opted to murder Hayate due to his overhearing as a sign of trust between Suna/Oto. The Hokage was murdered due to Sunagakure’s involvement they retreated back to their village having lost the fight and only when they found out that the Kazekage was betrayed they surrendered/apologized to which Konoha pardoned/forgave.

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As Naruto stated "all Sasuke ever thought about was revenge" this was ultimately due to Itachi who made sure to enforce it into his head in such a way that he couldn’t ever deter away. Itachi in previous chapters has even admitted to his guilt.

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Take it from Yamato who commented about Kumogakure’s attempted kidnap over Hinata which could have led to her possible death and possessed the audacity to demand a sacrifice for the death of one of their shinobi or else they’d start a war as retaliation when they were ultimately at fault and Konoha excepted.

Sasuke’s situation isn’t as straightforward as you put it. He doesn’t only possess hatred but darkness and an unstable mentality which is similar to Gaara. Just like the Shukaku influenced Gaara, Itachi influenced Sasuke and the masked man degenerated him further into becoming what he currently is. Sasuke alike Gaara deteriorated through outside interference thus Sasuke didn’t choose his decisions of his own free will as he was effected by the actions of other’s gains.

 

[nickuchiha25]

^^ Plot no jutsu always turns the table.

agreed

 

[Sasuk3Uchiha]

I Can Readily Agree ... At This Point, Sasuke Seems To Be Pretty Much Beyond Redemption, And I Like/Want Things That Way - I'm A Bit Tired Of Naruto's 'Amazing' Ability To Change The Worst Of All Characters (i.e. Nagato, Gaara) For The Better Via Talk-No-Jutsu. Sasuke Has Been The Only Exception To This, Seeing As Time And Again, Naruto's Words Have Failed To Reach Him ... So Why Should They Have Any Effect On Him Now? In My Opinion, Ever Since Naruto's Failure To Change/Bring Back Sasuke At The Valley Of The End, Words Have Been Just That, Words; They Hold No Meaning To Sasuke Anymore. And Naruto Already Mentioned That The Only Way They'll Be Able To Understand Each Other Is Through Their Fists, As In Fighting.

Still ... I Wouldn't Be Surprised If Kishimoto Turns Sasuke Around; I Mean, I Wouldn't Be Upset, But It's A Bit Disappointing, Seeing As He's Shouldering Soo Much Hatred At This Point, And He's Already Made It Clear That He's Closed His Eyes To The Light - Just Doesn't Seem Right To Suddenly Change All Of That Hatred So Instantaneously.

 

[lswhyte123]

I Can Readily Agree ... At This Point, Sasuke Seems To Be Pretty Much Beyond Redemption, And I Like/Want Things That Way - I'm A Bit Tired Of Naruto's 'Amazing' Ability To Change The Worst Of All Characters (i.e. Nagato, Gaara) For The Better Via Talk-No-Jutsu. Sasuke Has Been The Only Exception To This, Seeing As Time And Again, Naruto's Words Have Failed To Reach Him ... So Why Should They Have Any Effect On Him Now? In My Opinion, Ever Since Naruto's Failure To Change/Bring Back Sasuke At The Valley Of The End, Words Have Been Just That, Words; They Hold No Meaning To Sasuke Anymore. And Naruto Already Mentioned That The Only Way They'll Be Able To Understand Each Other Is Through Their Fists, As In Fighting.

Still ... I Wouldn't Be Surprised If Kishimoto Turns Sasuke Around; I Mean, I Wouldn't Be Upset, But It's A Bit Disappointing, Seeing As He's Shouldering Soo Much Hatred At This Point, And He's Already Made It Clear That He's Closed His Eyes To The Light - Just Doesn't Seem Right To Suddenly Change All Of That Hatred So Instantaneously.

Very,very well said.

agreed

I just hope talk/plot no jutsu don't screw this up.

Gaara’s age is irrelevant to this debate and I don’t see the point. Whilst Gaara may have not possessed an agenda it cannot be denied that he lived murdering anyone whom he felt like. Again does an agenda matter? So long as it involves death I see no difference. Revenge is a selfish act and that goes for Naruto when he wanted to murder Pein for Jiraiya’s death and anyone else who sought revenge. Actually sixteen years of age is still considered a minor in the U.S. and again how is the age of relevance? You’re completing disregarding all of Gaara’s murders because he was pardoned?

Do you remember the Invasion of Konoha via Suna/Oto. Orochimaru proposed a joint alliance against Konoha. The village as a whole accepted their Kage’s decision, attempted to see it through meaning they would have willingly murdered for their village’s success and Gaara played a main role in the plan. Baku opted to murder Hayate due to his overhearing as a sign of trust between Suna/Oto. The Hokage was murdered due to Sunagakure’s involvement they retreated back to their village having lost the fight and only when they found out that the Kazekage was betrayed they surrendered/apologized to which Konoha pardoned/forgave.

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As Naruto stated "all Sasuke ever thought about was revenge" this was ultimately due to Itachi who made sure to enforce it into his head in such a way that he couldn’t ever deter away. Itachi in previous chapters has even admitted to his guilt.

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Take it from Yamato who commented about Kumogakure’s attempted kidnap over Hinata which could have led to her possible death and possessed the audacity to demand a sacrifice for the death of one of their shinobi or else they’d start a war as retaliation when they were ultimately at fault and Konoha excepted.

Sasuke’s situation isn’t as straightforward as you put it. He doesn’t only possess hatred but darkness and an unstable mentality which is similar to Gaara. Just like the Shukaku influenced Gaara, Itachi influenced Sasuke and the masked man degenerated him further into becoming what he currently is. Sasuke alike Gaara deteriorated through outside interference thus Sasuke didn’t choose his decisions of his own free will as he was effected by the actions of other’s gains.

Gaara: Was young-age is relevent. Was a host to Shukaku a haunting spirit who kept him awake every night and drove him crazy,along with his life he had many reasons to go mad. I still think that they should not simply have pardoned Gaara's actions as it's unrealistic,he killed people and he should have been punished. I can only assume that when he joined the Suna Soldiers,he did things which made up for his actions somehow. I sadly can't say what Gaara did or what happened to make his crimes go away but all I can say is that when he committed them,he was young,being haunted by a Biju,had been driven crazy by his father & uncle, and some other stuff.

When Gaara & the sand attacked,it was under what they thought was the Kazekage's orders. If you are familiar with military procedure,you ignore personal opinion and carry out your orders.
Additionally, its the one in charge who pays the price and as the Kazekage was already dead and then the Hokage died at the hands of Oro,I think both villages chose to reform peace rather than try and fight in a weakened state.
Gaara was only following orders....except when he killed those ninja,that was fun for him...but again,he was nuts,a child,and being spoken to by Shukaku.

I know what you are trying to say about Gaara, but he has done a lot to earn his place since he did all those things. It is also well understood by many that his case was unique.
Sasuke & Gaara are two conpletely different cases. Sure they both killed but they've done so under different circumstances and at different times for different reasons. That's something you are also ignoring.
In addition to this. Sasuke attacked the Gokage summit,Caused Raikage to lose a hand,attacked the other Kage,killed Danzo and attempted to attack his former team mates. He's also a big part in this war. These things alone are much more severe than killing people. These are things Gaara did not do. He also was a member of Akatsuki for a time.

I don't really care if you think otherwise,fact is,Sasuke has done things which altogether mean he should not get a pardon. It's too much to get dropped like with Gaara. Sasuke is several times worse than Gaara ever was and even then has little reason to have done such things. Gaara at least had good reason.

 

[Genduko]

There are to many parties tho Unlike the The garra arc Where it was just the Hidden sand And leaf they both wanted to avoid a war and settled to and agreement But unlike that time there are to many parties involved this time he may be forgiven by 1 or 2 villages but I cant see someone like the raikage who was going to sacrifice himself to kill sasuke agreeing to pardon sasuke . if the leaf where to forgive sasuke then it would be a war i highly doubt that someone like the raikage will accept it the 5 kage and the head Samurai Came to a decision He is wanted internationally if i committed a serious murder in the usa and then went to mexico the Mexican government would either give me back to the usa or kill me themselves They wouldn't risk there whole country's integrity for just 1 mindless american criminal.sasuke attacked the 5 kage and there subordinates and killed and attacked samurai There are to many parties involved in this he may be forgiven by 1 or 2 but all the kage decided they should kill or capture sasuke And they even nearly succeeded if it wasn't for tobi Interfering. If the hidden leaf forgive sasuke then they are going against the summits orders the other 4 kage and head samurai will have no choice but to attack the leaf for aiding a criminal And they wont agree to peace for the sake of avoiding war for there is already a war.

 

[lswhyte123]

There are to many parties tho Unlike the The garra arc Where it was just the Hidden sand And leaf they both wanted to avoid a war and settled to and agreement But unlike that time there are to many parties involved this time he may be forgiven by 1 or 2 villages but I cant see someone like the raikage who was going to sacrifice himself to kill sasuke . if the leaf where to forgive sasuke then it would be a war i highly doubt that someone like the raikage will accept it the 5 kage and the head Samurai Came to a decision He is wanted internationally if i committed a serious murder in the usa and then went to mexico the Mexican government would either give me back to the usa or kill me themselves They wouldn't risk there whole country's integrity for just 1 mindless american criminal.sasuke attacked the 5 kage and there subordinates and killed and attacked samurai There are to many parties involved in this he may be forgiven by 1 or 2 but all the kage decided they should kill or capture sasuke And they even nearly succeeded if it wasn't for tobi Interfering. If the hidden leaf forgive sasuke then they are going against the summits orders the other 4 kage and head samurai will have no choice but to attack the leaf for aiding a criminal And they wont agree to peace for the sake of avoiding war for there is already a war.

Sorry dude,but you're clearly too bright for this Base...

I'd +rep you more if I could..

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

Gaara: Was young-age is relevent. Was a host to Shukaku a haunting spirit who kept him awake every night and drove him crazy,along with his life he had many reasons to go mad. I still think that they should not simply have pardoned Gaara's actions as it's unrealistic,he killed people and he should have been punished. I can only assume that when he joined the Suna Soldiers,he did things which made up for his actions somehow. I sadly can't say what Gaara did or what happened to make his crimes go away but all I can say is that when he committed them,he was young,being haunted by a Biju,had been driven crazy by his father & uncle, and some other stuff.

When Gaara & the sand attacked,it was under what they thought was the Kazekage's orders. If you are familiar with military procedure,you ignore personal opinion and carry out your orders.
Additionally, its the one in charge who pays the price and as the Kazekage was already dead and then the Hokage died at the hands of Oro,I think both villages chose to reform peace rather than try and fight in a weakened state.
Gaara was only following orders....except when he killed those ninja,that was fun for him...but again,he was nuts,a child,and being spoken to by Shukaku.

I know what you are trying to say about Gaara, but he has done a lot to earn his place since he did all those things. It is also well understood by many that his case was unique.
Sasuke & Gaara are two conpletely different cases. Sure they both killed but they've done so under different circumstances and at different times for different reasons. That's something you are also ignoring.
In addition to this. Sasuke attacked the Gokage summit,Caused Raikage to lose a hand,attacked the other Kage,killed Danzo and attempted to attack his former team mates. He's also a big part in this war. These things alone are much more severe than killing people. These are things Gaara did not do. He also was a member of Akatsuki for a time.

I don't really care if you think otherwise,fact is,Sasuke has done things which altogether mean he should not get a pardon. It's too much to get dropped like with Gaara. Sasuke is several times worse than Gaara ever was and even then has little reason to have done such things. Gaara at least had good reason.

Your analysis of the Kage summit isn’t all correct. Actually Sasuke coated the Susanno ribs with Amaterasu to protect himself and the Raikage ignored this and chose to lose an arm as consequence in order to land a hit. Besides the Raikage, Sasuke didn’t directly attack any other Kage and only defended against their attacks.

Still I cannot see how his age is of any relevance and besides I’m obviously referring to when he was a pre-teen which was the timeline where he was revealed to be murdering mainly for no apparent reason. You argue that Gaara’s actions were mainly due to Shukaku and my argument is that Itachi is the main reason for Sasuke’s actions and he admitted to it. Itachi wouldn’t allow Sasuke to deter away from vengeance which ultimately resulted in him becoming a cold blooded murderer.

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Take it from Gaara who compared himself, even cried for Sasuke and stated that "we have walked through the darkness of this world...that’s why we are able to see even a sliver of light both back then and even now".

If "he should not get a pardon" as you stated then for what purpose does your own favored character stated this?

There are to many parties tho Unlike the The garra arc Where it was just the Hidden sand And leaf they both wanted to avoid a war and settled to and agreement But unlike that time there are to many parties involved this time he may be forgiven by 1 or 2 villages but I cant see someone like the raikage who was going to sacrifice himself to kill sasuke agreeing to pardon sasuke . if the leaf where to forgive sasuke then it would be a war i highly doubt that someone like the raikage will accept it the 5 kage and the head Samurai Came to a decision He is wanted internationally if i committed a serious murder in the usa and then went to mexico the Mexican government would either give me back to the usa or kill me themselves They wouldn't risk there whole country's integrity for just 1 mindless american criminal.sasuke attacked the 5 kage and there subordinates and killed and attacked samurai There are to many parties involved in this he may be forgiven by 1 or 2 but all the kage decided they should kill or capture sasuke And they even nearly succeeded if it wasn't for tobi Interfering. If the hidden leaf forgive sasuke then they are going against the summits orders the other 4 kage and head samurai will have no choice but to attack the leaf for aiding a criminal And they wont agree to peace for the sake of avoiding war for there is already a war.

Check my correct explaination of Sasuke v.s. The 5 Kage fight above.

For e.g. Konan was never punished for the crimes committed throughout her duration in Akatsuki; the most wanted organization in the Narutoverse. Yet, after Nagato died Naruto allowed her to leave without informing Tsunade and the Konoha villagers who were brought back to life never held her responsible for their own murders.

I understand that Sasuke has different crimes on his belt but as Last Arcanum stated earlier, it is possible for the Tsuchikage to pave the path for all the other Kage’s/respective villages to invoke a revolution and thus see things in a different light.

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Naruto was about to reveal the truth Itachi when Kakashi interfered and stopped him. The construction to Konoha has already finished and yet he still hasn’t voiced this huge revelation to Tsunade because he feels they needed more proof. However, he could have at least ran it by her nevertheless after their village’s recovery. This could have ultimately helped Sasuke back then to not further deteriorate and yet he still has not said a word. The truth about Itachi could also serve as Sasuke’s rationalization for his actions.

 

[lswhyte123]

Your analysis of the Kage summit isn’t all correct. Actually Sasuke coated the Susanno ribs with Amaterasu to protect himself and the Raikage ignored this and chose to lose an arm as consequence in order to land a hit. Besides the Raikage, Sasuke didn’t directly attack any other Kage and only defended against their attacks.

Still I cannot see how his age is of any relevance and besides I’m obviously referring to when he was a pre-teen which was the timeline where he was revealed to be murdering mainly for no apparent reason. You argue that Gaara’s actions were mainly due to Shukaku and my argument is that Itachi is the main reason for Sasuke’s actions and he admitted to it. Itachi wouldn’t allow Sasuke to deter away from vengeance which ultimately resulted in him becoming a cold blooded murderer.

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Take it from Gaara who compared himself, even cried for Sasuke and stated that "we have walked through the darkness of this world...that’s why we are able to see even a sliver of light both back then and even now".

If "he should not get a pardon" as you stated then for what purpose does your own favored character stated this?



Check my correct explaination of Sasuke v.s. The 5 Kage fight above.

For e.g. Konan was never punished for the crimes committed throughout her duration in Akatsuki; the most wanted organization in the Narutoverse. Yet, after Nagato died Naruto allowed her to leave without informing Tsunade and the Konoha villagers who were brought back to life never held her responsible for their own murders.

I understand that Sasuke has different crimes on his belt but as Last Arcanum stated earlier, it is possible for the Tsuchikage to pave the path for all the other Kage’s/respective villages to invoke a revolution and thus see things in a different light.

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Naruto was about to reveal the truth Itachi when Kakashi interfered and stopped him. The construction to Konoha has already finished and yet he still hasn’t voiced this huge revelation to Tsunade because he feels they needed more proof. However, he could have at least ran it by her nevertheless after their village’s recovery. This could have ultimately helped Sasuke back then to not further deteriorate and yet he still has not said a word. The truth about Itachi could also serve as Sasuke’s rationalization for his actions.

I am never unimpressed with how much effort you put into your posts,so well done.

I just think that Sasuke has done things which cannot be forgiven and also feel that if he does get forgiven,it would be a plot fail. My opinion though. You are welcome to disagree and are obviously very good at presenting your point. So +rep for decent debate but I stand by my point of view.

To add: Itachi being the reason is not the same as Shukaku. Not even the same league buddy. If you don't agree for whatever reason then that's ok.

 

[Kuroi Honoo]

I am never unimpressed with how much effort you put into your posts,so well done.

I just think that Sasuke has done things which cannot be forgiven and also feel that if he does get forgiven,it would be a plot fail. My opinion though. You are welcome to disagree and are obviously very good at presenting your point. So +rep for decent debate but I stand by my point of view.

To add: Itachi being the reason is not the same as Shukaku. Not even the same league buddy. If you don't agree for whatever reason then that's ok.

Thank you for being a civilized debater and for the compliment/+rep

I respect your opinion and I wasn't weighing Itachi against Shukaku but simply giving the the main reasoning behind Sasuke's degeneration be it not as severe as the bijuu's influence. However, in my opinion it wasn't only Itachi but Orochimaru and the masked man who continued influencing his decisions. If Sasuke chose his choices influence free then I could state that he did it of his own free will. I only hoped that whomever I debated against would keep an open mind as when something isn't definite; the possibilities still remain.

I suppose we will both agree to disagree.

 

[lswhyte123]

Thank you for being a civilized debater and for the compliment/+rep

I respect your opinion and I wasn't weighing Itachi against Shukaku but simply giving the the main reasoning behind Sasuke's degeneration be it not as severe as the bijuu's influence. However, in my opinion it wasn't only Itachi but Orochimaru and the masked man who continued influencing his decisions. If Sasuke chose his choices influence free then I could state that he did it of his own free will. I only hoped that whomever I debated against would keep an open mind as when something isn't definite; the possibilities still remain.

I suppose we will both agree to disagree.

We'll we can agree to disagree for sure. But we can still debate it if you'd like.

I agree that Itachi,Orochimaru and Tobi have all offered Sasuke something that he couldn't easily refuse. They've all offered him power.

Itachi made Sasuke want power at any cost.

Orochimaru showed Sasuke some power and when he chose to chase him to get more of that power,he left the village. Kakashi knew about it but also knew it was Sasuke's own choice.

Tobi,did the same thing as Orochimaru. He knew Sasuke was after more & more power and could serve Tobi's purpose. Yet again though,Sasuke always had the choice,to a degree. He was in a level mental state when he chose to do these things.

When you see Gaara speaking to his "mother" or being spoken to by it,he seems in actual physical & mental pain.

 

[-God of War-]

Ok, I'm tired with these threads!

We don't know if Sasuke will come back or no. Maby, he will die. If he comes back, Itachi will be the one to change his mind. Other ''epic'' chapters are comming soon, so there is no need to make a thread.
50% of Sasuke fans say ''He will come back...'' and 50% say ''He will not...''.
Better wait...:zonder:

 

[lswhyte123]

Ok, I'm tired with these threads!

We don't know if Sasuke will come back or no. Maby, he will die. If he comes back, Itachi will be the one to change his mind. Other ''epic'' chapters are comming soon, so there is no need to make a thread.
50% of Sasuke fans say ''He will come back...'' and 50% say ''He will not...''.
Better wait...:zonder:

+rep and well said.

That's pretty much the point of my thread. We don't know what's gonna happen and I'm not claiming too so sorry if the thread title makes it seem that way. I just think we have enough reason to think he will remain an evil character and it would be sucky if he did become good again. Lame methinks.

 

[Zed1]

coming back to the light doesnt neccesarily have to mean that everyone will forgive whatever he did.....but he will come back because thatz what naruto promised that it is a essential part to narutos plot (remember some where along he states that if he cannot save one friend what good would do to him to become hokage)....what most likely may happen is that sasuke may die at the end and at his last moments he may finally realise his mistakes....or realising his mistakes he may leave for the unknown forever........cuz u also have to kep in mind he is the last of the uchihas..if he dies the clan dies with him.....another thing to remember is that....in all of the fights between the descendants of the two son..the elder brother's descendant always loose continueing the hatred(elder brother, madara etc.. the las t fight naruto vs sasuke some thing different has to happen not that naruto will loose but something that must end the cycle of hatred...)