Sasuke's Darkness And Naruto's Fire

[TrollKing]

Don't need to.

There has never been a benevolent dictator that started his rule with blood.

I knew you wouldn't be able to answer it and would resort to childish behavior.

Perhaps all "dictators" you spoke of were never for the good of mankind except their racist ideology and fill with personal greed of all kinds

 

[BLAZE]

Don't need to.

see what r doing on this thread.countering others :|

There has never been a benevolent dictator that started his rule with blood.

There isn't something called True Peace peace which Naruto is gonna find

I knew you wouldn't be able to answer it and would resort to childish behavior.

Whatever dude i would have replied to u with my views if i would seen u debating Pro Sasuke even one time but i haven't.
So i said before i won't argue becoz it won't change anything :|

 

[saw2097]

Perhaps all "dictators" you spoke of were never for the good of mankind except their racist ideology and fill with personal greed of all kinds

All tyrants think what they are doing is for the good of mankind.

That is the very basis of this thread, if you want a perfect example read the thread again.

Its also the same story with all fictional take over the world villains as well.

see what r doing on this thread.countering others :|


There isn't something called True Peace peace which Naruto is gonna find



Whatever dude i would have replied to u with my views if i would seen u debating Pro Sasuke even one time but i haven't.
So i said before i won't argue becoz it won't change anything :|

So you are mad and are attacking me simply on the basis that I haven't defended your favorite fictional character?

Wow your childish.

 

[TrollKing]

All tyrants think what they are doing is for the good of mankind.

That is the very basis of this thread, if you want a perfect example read the thread again.

Nope, thats what them "tyrants" made their followers to think. They are selfish and impure. It's known as "politics"

 

[RedShadow]

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I can't continue reading these replies XD

 

[saw2097]

Nope, thats what them "tyrants" made their followers to think. They are selfish and impure. It's known as "politics"

Read the main post again.

It is a perfect example of what I am talking about, power corrupts, and someone who is already planning to start their rule with murder is already on the path of tyranny.

And Sasuke basically admitted that he intends to be a tyrant, his plan is to be someone everyone can hate, that means he has to do things that everyone will hate more than they hate each other.

 

[BLAZE]

A
So you are mad and are attacking me simply on the basis that I haven't defended your favorite fictional character?

Wow your childish.

Read my post i nvr attacked u
i just said ur opinion was biased and untrue

 

[FearxDeath]

To premise what I am about to say I want to elaborate on what I think Sasuke's ideals are:

Sasukes family was killed. The decision to kill his family came from the Konoha council, to a degree, but mainly Danzo. But Itachi was the killer, he was more than just a killer though. He was the face of the crime. As long as he was alive everyone else was safe because he had Sasukes hatred. To Sasuke no one else was responsible other than Itachi.

The ideology is that, with Sasuke as Hokage he would force new policies on people that would bring on peace, whether they liked it or not. In this peace he would bear their hatred and resentment. But he would give them focus, the fighting between the 5 nations would cease as their focus would be on Sasuke much like Sasuke didnt lash out towards anyone else but was focused on Itachi as his enemy or like the Shinobi Alliance was made when the greater enemy of Madara appeared. In a sense you can say the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and as long as Sasuke stood their as a hated hokage then everyone else would be friends as long as they hate him.

Upon his death he would probably place this burden on another Hokage. This also speaks to what Asuma was talking about earlier on in the manga. Who is the king? To him the people were the king and thus were responsible for their actions, the Uchiha are responsible for their actions as a people. But imagine if just Sasukes father, the leader of the Uchiha, were their king? Would the entire village have died? No, the king would have taken responsibility and he would have been punished.

If a single man is the king, he not only bears the hatred, but the responsibility, and as long as he lives, no one else needs to die, because they arent responsible, he is. With Sasuke being so strong he wouldnt die easily. And thus you have peace.

Naruto's Hokage resembles an Democracy, people depending on each other and responsible for each other, but can also be held responsible for their actions by each other.

Sasukes Hokage resembles an Oligarchy, people depending on a King who is responsible for them, and he is responsible for their actions as they are extensions of himself.

Ofcourse this only works on a large scale, Sasuke wouldnt be responsible for the actions of a single theif, but the actions of a lone theif wouldnt result in the extinction of an entire clan so...

 

[saw2097]

Read my post i nvr attacked u
i just said ur opinion was biased and untrue

An opinion period is going to be biased from anyone in some form.

And I presented a great deal of points that back my opinion.

All you did was sit their and say anyone's argument that you didn't like was biased.

On top of that you said that you wouldn't reply because you never saw me defend a pro Sasuke thread, and that makes me biased and anything I say untrue.

So you are basically admitting that you are accusing me of being biased and wrong simply because you don't like anything that criticizes Sasuke.

 

[Nagi]

Read the main post again.

It is a perfect example of what I am talking about, power corrupts, and someone who is already planning to start their rule with murder is already on the path of tyranny.

And Sasuke basically admitted that he intends to be a tyrant, his plan is to be someone everyone can hate, that means he has to do things that everyone will hate more than they hate each other.

Im looking forward to see what he got up his sleeves. He probably gonna destroy noble families. Force equal rights for the weak. Too bad this manga is call naruto. I wish it was call Shinobi X Shinobi. They could made so many other characters useful.

 

[TrollKing]

Read the main post again.

It is a perfect example of what I am tal[SUB][/SUB]king about, power corrupts, and someone who is already planning to start their rule with murder is already on the path of tyranny.

And Sasuke basically admitted that he intends to be a tyrant, his plan is to be someone everyone can hate, that means he has to do things that everyone will hate more than they hate each other.

The main post is about "sasuke's way can't lead to true peace". Power corruption is about greed and self interest. Heck sasuke doesn't even mind anyone calling him gây or asexual, theres no greed and corruption involved. If there's one person who willing to do a *** change for the sake of mankind, I would take him more serious as to the character of sasuke.

The justice system already set up to execute people. And whoever hop on the leader sit fulfil whatever you saying against as "tyrant"

 

[BLAZE]

An opinion period is going to be biased from anyone in some form.

And I presented a great deal of points that back my opinion.

All you did was sit their and say anyone's argument that you didn't like was biased.

On top of that you said that you wouldn't reply because you never saw me defend a pro Sasuke thread, and that makes me biased and anything I say untrue.

So you are basically admitting that you are accusing me of being biased and wrong simply because you don't like anything that criticizes Sasuke.

have i Quoted u before about being biased or wrong before.I don't think so
and didn't like my opinion u could disagree and just call biased or untrue like i did
BTW

Sasuke is becoming a tyrant.

If you read his speech, then you would know that his entire plan is to become a tyrant so everyone hates him more than each other.

I think you need to reread the chapter very carefully.

I don't think you grasp what Sasuke is planning to do.

Sasuke openly admits that he will be a tyrant, he said he would become a villain to the world so that everyone would hate him rather than each other.



No. Sasuke outright said that he would do it all alone, that he doesn't need anyone.

He is not planning on a successor, also without Naruto there will be no one strong enough to control the entire world once his is dead.

Any other person would fall quickly and be overthrown.

I disagree completely

 

[Torche]

With those scans you are just proving my point.

That's where Sasuke admitted he was going to be a tyrant.

Yes, but his way is still much, much more practical than Naruto's atm. Lol What's Naruto's? Naruto's is foolish idealism of wishful thinking and hope that everyone is like him and will just take hatred and not do anything back. Sasuke however is planning on becoming a tyrant that when is killed will unite the world. Any former hatred that exists in the world will be solely focused on him. It would be similar if Madara HAD killed off the Gokage, but Sasuke plans to eliminate the Bijuu too which is an enormous mass of power waiting to be weaponized again like in the past. It's also extremely similar to how Naruto wanted to "handle all of Sasuke's hatred by himself". But, now that Sasuke wants to do the same on a much larger scale it's suddenly wrong? Smh.

 

[saw2097]

The main post is about "sasuke's way can't lead to true peace". Power corruption is about greed and self interest. Heck sasuke doesn't even mean anyone calling him gây or asexual, theres no greed and corruption involved. If there's one person who willing to do a *** change for the sake of mankind, I would take him more serious as to the character of sasuke.

The justice system already set up to execute people. And whoever hop on the leader sit fulfil whatever you saying against as "tyrant"

That depends on the country you live in, many countries in Europe have already gotten rid of the death penalty.

And in America, you can only be executed after a trial and a ruling from twelve peers, not at the word of a single ruler.

There is also more than one form of corruption, many people go into office, even in democracies, with the best intentions, and then the power changes them.

There is an old saying, absolute power corrupts all.

The Sage stated that is what happened to Madara and Kaguya, they became arrogant with their power. Itachi also discussed the issue with Naruto warning him of it.

But even if Sasuke doesn't become corrupted he would still be a tyrant for one simple reason, his entire plan requires him to do it.

What Sasuke is planning to do is pull a Lelouch (am I spelling his name right) minus the arranging his own death.

His plan is for everyone to hate him, but people need reasons to hate him and it will take a lot to get the entire world to hate one guy more than each other.

Yes, but his way is still much, much more practical than Naruto's atm. Lol What's Naruto's? Naruto's is foolish idealism of wishful thinking and hope that everyone is like him and will just take hatred and not do anything back. Sasuke however is planning on becoming a tyrant that when is killed will unite the world. Any former hatred that exists in the world will be solely focused on him. It would be similar if Madara HAD killed off the Gokage, but Sasuke plans to eliminate the Bijuu too which is an enormous mass of power waiting to be weaponized again like in the past. It's also extremely similar to how Naruto wanted to "handle all of Sasuke's hatred by himself". But, now that Sasuke wants to do the same on a much larger scale it's suddenly wrong? Smh.

I don't ever recall supporting or justifying Naruto's plan to handle all the hatred himself.

 

[BLAZE]

Yes, but his way is still much, much more practical than Naruto's atm. Lol What's Naruto's? Naruto's is foolish idealism of wishful thinking and hope that everyone is like him and will just take hatred and not do anything back. Sasuke however is planning on becoming a tyrant that when is killed will unite the world. Any former hatred that exists in the world will be solely focused on him. It would be similar if Madara HAD killed off the Gokage, but Sasuke plans to eliminate the Bijuu too which is an enormous mass of power waiting to be weaponized again like in the past. It's also extremely similar to how Naruto wanted to "handle all of Sasuke's hatred by himself". But, now that Sasuke wants to do the same on a much larger scale it's suddenly wrong? Smh.

How do find these Kind of stuff

 

[TrollKing]

Yes, but his way is still much, much more practical than Naruto's atm. Lol What's Naruto's? Naruto's is foolish idealism of wishful thinking and hope that everyone is like him and will just take hatred and not do anything back. Sasuke however is planning on becoming a tyrant that when is killed will unite the world. Any former hatred that exists in the world will be solely focused on him. It would be similar if Madara HAD killed off the Gokage, but Sasuke plans to eliminate the Bijuu too which is an enormous mass of power waiting to be weaponized again like in the past. It's also extremely similar to how Naruto wanted to "handle all of Sasuke's hatred by himself". But, now that Sasuke wants to do the same on a much larger scale it's suddenly wrong? Smh.

Naruto got a new answer now which is mind reading. Everyone will be able to read each others' minds, so they all will live happily forever

 

[saw2097]

How do find these Kind of stuff

Wow.

You just basically supported a post that agrees with me about Sasuke becoming a tyrant despite all your talk about it being biased and untrue.

 

[TrollKing]

How do find these Kind of stuff

Naruto kun told blind sasky kun to save all the hatred and shove them to naruto, because no one else can take that all the way

 

[BLAZE]

Wow.

You just basically supported a post that agrees with me about Sasuke becoming a tyrant despite all your talk about it being biased and untrue.

Bro r serious
i nvr agreed i just asked how does he find these kind of stuffs :|

Naruto got a new answer now which is mind reading. Everyone will be able to read each others' minds, so they all will live happily forever

Mindreader.
Everyone becomes pokemon :|

 

[Torche]

I don't ever recall supporting or justifying Naruto's plan to handle all the hatred himself.

I never said that you did. :|

How do find these Kind of stuff

Good memory for the most part. Lol

Naruto got a new answer now which is mind reading. Everyone will be able to read each others' minds, so they all will live happily forever

Evidently. Lol