Sasuke came from a Clan of Traitors and was treated like a Prince and became a Traitor for Power. Naruto was a Prince son of a Kage,Savior of His Village at Birth, treated as garbage. Who Saves the world and changes it for the better, who never lost faith in Himself. And You have the gal to ask such a question?
The clan of Traitors thing is a pure lie. The Uchiha Clan made peace with Konoha, co-founding it. Then once Tobirama got into office, he discriminated and spread nasty rumors about them. He made them police for the sole purpos of spying on them, and installing hatred in people, who would soon go against them as well. Tobirama wa a filthy racist and he couldn't let go of his paranoia. This alone added fuel to the fire.
Then Danzo came into power as an elder and made everything worse. He adopted Tobirama's Will and discriminated and segegrated the Uchiha from the entire village. Danzo and the others even blamed the entire clan on the Kyuubi attack. The Uchiha got tired of it all. Everybody got a slice of the humble pie and the Uchiha got the crumbs.
Who wouldn't be angry with their entire family being discriminated for several decades by the same people they made peace with? But oh well. Racists are gonna be racists. And haters are gonna hate.
You don't understand. He wanted to be alone, because of the pain he felt after the loss of his family. He was just a child then. What gets me the most is the fact people judge him for being a crybaby, but what people don't understand is that when a child witnesses the death of his ENTIRE FAMILY, it can mess him up in thee head. This is why Sasuke acted the way he did in part 1. I too would push everyone away after that situation.
It's like Dexter when his mom was chopped up in front of him when he was like 4 years old. Dexter developed anti social tendencies after that and it affected him his whole life.
Sasuke's story is actually a retcon. Kishimoto initially had no sad past planned out for him, he just had him act like a jerk in order to oppose Naruto's character. Then, his editors told him he had to add one so he wouldn't seem like a nutcase as killing "a certain man" because you want to isn't really justifiable.
The clan of Traitors thing is a pure lie. The Uchiha Clan made peace with Konoha, co-founding it. Then once Tobirama got into office, he discriminated and spread nasty rumors about them. He made them police for the sole purpos of spying on them, and installing hatred in people, who would soon go against them as well. Tobirama wa a filthy racist and he couldn't let go of his paranoia. This alone added fuel to the fire.
Then Danzo came into power as an elder and made everything worse. He adopted Tobirama's Will and discriminated and segegrated the Uchiha from the entire village. Danzo and the others even blamed the entire clan on the Kyuubi attack. The Uchiha got tired of it all. Everybody got a slice of the humble pie and the Uchiha got the crumbs.
Who wouldn't be angry with their entire family being discriminated for several decades by the same people they made peace with? But oh well. Racists are gonna be racists. And haters are gonna hate.
Yes, it is a clan of traitors given they were going to instigate a coup which was not necessary as they had more peaceful options. They were going to kill anyone who disagreed with their reign after they would kill Hiruzen and take office... everyone in Konoha would disagree. :/
The Uchiha made peace because they were not confident they would survive on their own with Madara anymore because they'd be going against a clan alliance if they were to go that route (Uzumaki, Senju, Nara, other Konoha clans). That is all. However, it is mentioned that many Uchiha hated Tobirama before he actually did anything or even took office. Just out of paranoia.
Tobirama is confirmed to never told anyone else about his theory, so the "spread nasty rumours about them" is wrong.
He made them Police Force to give them power but still make sure the ones who hated him wouldn't do anything. This is a tactic many leaders use in real life and is hardly oppressive as it is not a direct/physical concern.
The Uchiha were not discriminated against in a genuine manner. The only example of unfairness in history regarding them is the Kyuubi suspicion and even this is not much given a) They did not attempt to quell people's fears by cooperating or simply taking the offer of an Uchiha Hokage via Itachi (this was offered and they rejected it lol) if political power was what they really cared about, b) They started abusing their Police Force duties after the suspicion started and acted rough on civilians... police brutality is not cool, c) An Uchiha had to have done it as the Kyuubi had a sharingan reflected in its eyes, d) An Uchiha did do it. The suspicion that the Uchiha did it ironically had more weight to it than the Uchiha's suspicion that everyone in Konoha/Hiruzen was out to get them.
Regarding the physical segregation after the Kyuubi attack, there is no reason to get upset if they did nothing as things like this happen in real life but are lifted once the suspect is observed for a while and decided to not be a threat. It's odd the Uchiha were upset over just this. They decided on the coup solely on paranoia and having their pride hurt, they were justifying a coup on what could happen to them and not what had actually been done because they knew that with the latter that was not enough reason to go on with it. Also, the Uchiha compound in terms of set-up actually provides better living conditions than the majority of cramped Konoha lol.
The only minority group truly discriminated against which did not deserve it or bring it upon themselves in any way is the Hyuuga branch family. That's it.
both suck but why are people saying "sasuke was loved hurr durr". who gives a shit what some bunch of useless fan girls think? they know nothing about him and think he is perfect when deep down he is broken. that makes the pain worse if anything.
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Sasuke- I would lose a family I wasn't even too close to (he was just close to Itachi, his parents didn't pay much attention to him) and only thought of when I wanted acknowledgement as I was in the shadow of my brother. Then, I'd see a nightmare twice in my life but only be able to recall about a minute or less of it. And, I would get a full night's sleep every night given the day after the massacre, I just woke up in the hospital and asked myself if it was a dream... so not even the incident of that night was enough to leave an impression, it took me some time to get used to it. And the person who killed my family was a brother I adored because he was a measuring stick for me but I'd already partially hate him out of envy. I'd have a purpose to live instead of committing suicide due to my bro's plan and not lash out at people who don't deserve it unless they come at me first. And then, I'd find out my brother was innocent and the clan/village were in the wrong, throw a fit, then move on in life.
the bold is wrong. what do you mean he wasnt close to his parents? he was very much close to mikoto who was the one to cheer him up regarding fugakus lack of attention which he sought so badly, she did pay him attention whenever he wanted so you are wrong on that.
and wat da? the incident did leave an impression. he always flashbacks to it and is seen walking alone where he is the only one. and he didnt hate itachi in the sense of the envy, rivalry is a normal thing btw brothers, you might want to rival your brother doesnt translate to you hating him. he adored itachi for itachi and not because of any measuring stick.
the bold is wrong. what do you mean he wasnt close to his parents? he was very much close to mikoto who was the one to cheer him up regarding fugakus lack of attention which he sought so badly, she did pay him attention whenever he wanted so you are wrong on that.
No, he wasn't as that is the one moment he thinks of her. If he were closer to them, one would think he'd remember her more than in a singular moment where she cheered him up/praised him. Also, if they were indeed so close then Sasuke would not be shown training alone as much or waiting for his brother so earnestly.
Even the moment itself is particularly self-centered as he's having a self pity moment and she talks to him after he initiates conversation. The same with Fugaku- he just remembers when he's gaining acknowledgement from him or being ignored.
He does not recall them for who they are nor does he know much about them. Does he admire any qualities they have? His mother's gentleness? His father being a great leader? Anything? We don't know because Kishimoto never bothered to elaborate and instead repeated the same things over and over again for both Naruto and Sasuke.
and wat da? the incident did leave an impression. he always flashbacks to it and is seen walking alone where he is the only one. and he didnt hate itachi in the sense of the envy, rivalry is a normal thing btw brothers, you might want to rival your brother doesnt translate to you hating him. he adored itachi for itachi and not because of any measuring stick.
It did in the sense that it was his driving force throughout the manga but I don't believe it left a realistic impression given it took time to soak in, even after the night and I don't think anyone could go back to the ninja academy so easily with their only outward problem being more reserved. I'm not saying it completely did not affect him as his loneliness is primarily resultant of the massacre, I just meant it was never elaborated how it affected him in other ways. Same with Naruto really. Both Naruto and Sasuke hated (Naruto hated the villagers before Iruka came along and Sasuke hated Itachi before he learned the truth) and were lonely, they needed someone... but is there anything other than that? I just feel like there should have been more for both.
I do think he adored Itachi as a measuring stick because he knew nothing about his brother other than the fact Itachi loved him. Everything he learned about his character was from Tobi. Anytime he thought of Itachi, it was mainly just about surpassing him. 95% of his thoughts were this in flashbacks regarding his brother both before and after the massacre, all the way up until the Uchiha bros showdown. He had intense love for him because he was considered an ideal by the Uchiha and that idea followed him up until adulthood.
I think it's just a difference in interpretation. You are free to keep your own as I am free to keep mine. c:
The clan of Traitors thing is a pure lie. The Uchiha Clan made peace with Konoha, co-founding it. Then once Tobirama got into office, he discriminated and spread nasty rumors about them. He made them police for the sole purpos of spying on them, and installing hatred in people, who would soon go against them as well. Tobirama wa a filthy racist and he couldn't let go of his paranoia. This alone added fuel to the fire.
Then Danzo came into power as an elder and made everything worse. He adopted Tobirama's Will and discriminated and segegrated the Uchiha from the entire village. Danzo and the others even blamed the entire clan on the Kyuubi attack. The Uchiha got tired of it all. Everybody got a slice of the humble pie and the Uchiha got the crumbs.
Who wouldn't be angry with their entire family being discriminated for several decades by the same people they made peace with? But oh well. Racists are gonna be racists. And haters are gonna hate.
The Uchiha Clan plan a hostile take over of the village that is treason,you try overthrowing your government and see if you are not branded as a Traitor. And Sasuke left the village for power,thus making Him a traitor. So deal with it.
=Chie;20285812]No, he wasn't as that is the one moment he thinks of her. If he were closer to them, one would think he'd remember her more than in a singular moment where she cheered him up/praised him. Also, if they were indeed so close then Sasuke would not be shown training alone as much or waiting for his brother so earnestly.
well its not just that moment, she is also shown taking care of him after he just finished exhausting himself with
training.
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and also the one you reference when she cheers him up. yes we didnt get much panels of her but in this case its quality over quantity and in both instances we can see the role she plays. the panel above proves that she doesnt give him any lack of attention.
as for the training part, i dont see how that affects mikoto as surely she wont be the one training him but as shown she looks after him once he is back.
Even the moment itself is particularly self-centered as he's having a self pity moment and she talks to him after he initiates conversation. The same with Fugaku- he just remembers when he's gaining acknowledgement from him or being ignored.
she didnt notice at first yes but after the conversation he smiles after which is something noteworthy. also when he was asking fugaku question we see her look over and smile, she watches him.
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He does not recall them for who they are nor does he know much about them. Does he admire any qualities they have? His mother's gentleness? His father being a great leader? Anything? We don't know because Kishimoto never bothered to elaborate and instead repeated the same things over and over again for both Naruto and Sasuke.
yes i agree especially for fugaku but he loved them regardless if we didnt see this details. as hagoromo stated his actions overall were based on the loss of them, when sasuke flashbacks he thinks of all of them.
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your entire actions wouldnt be dictated by the loss of people you didnt feel close to.
It did in the sense that it was his driving force throughout the manga but I don't believe it left a realistic impression given it took time to soak in, even after the night and I don't think anyone could go back to the ninja academy so easily with their only outward problem being more reserved.
lol i now get what you mean. but you see he now had a goal, to kill his brother so for that sake he needed to continue training in the academy, a step by step process. killing itachi is how he can make things right so rather than sulk, he picked himself up, pretty understandable(a good display of mental toughness that people accuse him of lacking). he even mentions this in the chunnins when he states the only reason for joining up is to see if he is strong enough. you can view the whole process as a route to the path of him getting stronger so he can achieve his goal.. at least so he thought before orochimaru intervened.
I'm not saying it completely did not affect him as his loneliness is primarily resultant of the massacre, I just meant it was never elaborated how it affected him in other ways. Same with Naruto really. Both Naruto and Sasuke hated (Naruto hated the villagers before Iruka came along and Sasuke hated Itachi before he learned the truth) and were lonely, they needed someone... but is there anything other than that? I just feel like there should have been more for both.
yes but the fact that itachi loved him is more than enough, he doesnt need to know 100% about itachi to be feel close with him, he treasured the time they spent together.
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those are not the words of someone who only thought of his brother as a measuring stick. he had genuine love for him based on the time they both spent.
Everything he learned about his character was from Tobi. Anytime he thought of Itachi, it was mainly just about surpassing him.
obviously he wouldnt know anything about his true character because itachi wanted to keep it a secret from him, remember? bold, no
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forehead pokes and itachi carrying him on his back are not moments where he thought of surpassing itachi. the only times were surpassing issues are brought up is when he wants to gain acknowledgement from fugaku(who likes to compare him with itachi) but thats a separate relationship between him and his dad, doesnt necessarily filter on to the relationship btw him and itachi.
95% of his thoughts were this in flashbacks regarding his brother both before and after the massacre, all the way up until the Uchiha bros showdown. He had intense love for him because he was considered an ideal by the Uchiha and that idea followed him up until adulthood.
Sasuke at least has memories. Memories of the good and the bad. Memories nonetheless. He celebrated his birthday surrounded by his parents. He felt his mother's hug. Naruto has nothing, absolutely nothing to hold on to.
It's way better to have memories, than to have nothing. Remember that, and cherish everything. Don't take any one's life for granted.
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