Sasuke's Bukijutsu Skills
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Based on what? Are you implying that one of the two couldn't have felt inferior in CQC, and resorted to Ninjutsu instead? I don't see it being limited to those options you have, as there are many more factors that can be involved in such decision making, apart from the fact Kishi wanting to show their wide scale ninjutsu rather than a boring CQC fight.
Incorrect, Naruto's strength and speed having a dramatic increase by no means suggests his technique itself increasing. He is able to use it at a higher level simply because other attributes were enhanced, not his technique/skill itself. Sasuke on the other hand, has demonstrated a high level of taijutsu throughout the manga, so now it is simply increased because of the speed and strength increase, not because the skill itself is increased. Naruto's Taijutsu was only ever impressive in Frog Kata, in base he's always resorted to Bunshin feints etc. to get past his horrendous Taijutsu.
It can vary from short to long range. Yamato has definitely shown the ability to utilise Mokuton from his very own body parts. Hashirama not being able to do so on a higher scale is ludicrous.
And pretty sure Madra's Kama is directly linked to his Gunbai.
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Lol, if they are clashing against each other, they would know who's inferior or not. It makes no sense for both of them to clash against each other, but feel that they are both inferior only to back away from each other. That's like two guys' fists meeting, and neither budging an inch, only for them to both think they are inferior and back away, even though they can feel the strength of the other person.
Kishi and anything related to Kishi is completely irrelevant to your argument. Him wanting to show a Ninjutsu fight doesn't change what he put in the manga, which is Madara and Hashirama being shown to be equals in CQC, thus having to break the stalemate with Ninjutsu.
He had to learn the fighting style the frogs use, so that would give him better technique. Just without the power boosts Sage Mode gives him. He was able to keep up with Deva Path in CQC (Who has a lot of speed and strength), without Sage Mode. Where is the bold even coming from? Recent references please.
Not to mention the databook disagrees with this large gap in Naruto and Sasuke's Taijutsu. They both have 3.5.
Doing it on a higher scale is what makes it unfit for close quarters combat.
So? He was only stated to have his scythe.
Alright, Hashirama wins. And Nah, base Naruto's taijutsu feats are lacking, I cannot reference his taijutsu feats because they are inexistent without usage of clones. Hell, the only taijutsu fight I remember is KCM Naruto vs Itachi, whom Naruto was much quicker than, yet was being kept up with. Frog Kata is only proficient with the SM bonuses, without the SM bonuses, it's useless. It's based around deception and catching your opponent off guard. Naruto cannot do such without the greatly enhanced reflexes and strength, let alone the fact his attacks aren't visible. His base Taijutsu is highly differing when compared to his Frog Kata.
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Except like you said, speed and strength increases don't allow an increase in skill, so its either that, and Naruto had enough to skill to not get fodderized in CQC by Itachi, or the strength and speed increases are what allowed him to not get fodderized, or maybe both? Either way, something allowed him to not get fodderized there, same thing with Sasuke.
I'll give you the Sage Naruto point.
Except having increased speed and strength means he can react at a later point then someone who has equal speed to Itachi, yet reach the same place Itachi's punch/kick has reached even though he launched at a much later time. His skill seemingly increases only because he has more speed with his attacks to counter, not because his intuition allows him to naturally fight on par with his opponent without the need for superior attacking speed. More so, Sasuke and Naruto being equal in speed (apparently) means if Sasuke is overpowering Naruto technique wise, Naruto won't have his speed to even the fight out.
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KCM Naruto isn't faster than Itachi without his Shunshin, which is pretty much the only super impressive part of his speed. His normal movement speed, such as punches and kicks, aren't anything special. So if there is a gap between their normal movement speed, it isn't small.
And the bold is true, except that isn't what was happening. They were exchanging punch and kick after punch and kick IIRC. If there was a gap in speed like there is their Shunshin speed, Naruto would have hit Itachi at least once during that exchange.
So I don't know what increased, but he hung with Itachi for a brief moment.
Alright, I concede that Naruto has shitty Taijutsu, but I will stick to my opinion that by portrayal, Sasuke has always had better Taijutsu. Naruto's taijutsu only ever increased after gaining new modes, whereas Sasuke's was notable without any modes at all, implying Naruto's modes, which grant speed and strength, are what increased for the most part, along with some taijutsu. That's just my taken on it when regarding the entire manga's portrayal, rather than that single fight Naruto had above average Taijutsu in.
Who said Naruto ever kept up with Deva Path? He never did. Deva Path stabbed two Bunshin's from Naruto who attacked him after disguising themselves as rubble from a meter or two. On top of that, while holding them in place he dodged a FRS which is fairly fast. Deva has always been faster than Naruto in base.
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That's cool. Let's just see what happens with this CQC between Naruto and Sasuke on Thursday. That'll clear it all up.
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People forget bukijutsu also entails weapons. Sasuke has shown to be extremely versatile with weapons in the Uchiha Bro's fight. He was also able to nearly hit all those targets as an academy kid. I'd say that only Gai and I fine definitely win with Evey thing else being high diff
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Sasuke loses all of them except the Kakashi one. Sasuke needed Sharingan perception and a Chidori imfused sword just to take out some samurais.