[VS] Sasuke's Bijuu PS vs Kaguya

[Seventh Sama]

Lol that statement about kaguya able to absorb any jutsu is a hyperbole.
Besides, Do you even have proof that its manual?



chidori spear cuts all the arms and head off . Sasuke's PS is more or equally as fast as Kakashits asspull susanoo.

Uhh, She absorbed amatersu easily... :|

1. If you have to blame "plot" or "inconsistencies" for a reasoning, then you truly have no argument. Please never try to say that to me again. That's what gets disregarded.
Kaguya was affected by CIS & PIS. clearly even madara was affected since he didn't even use PS against nardo & sasky .Which would've been more or equal to sasuke's current PS. But whatever, Each to their own.


2. You tried to blame plot for this as well. And the bottom line you tried make was that Sasuke's ninjutsu won't work on her, contrary to the fact that ninjutsu can.
Has sasuke ever land a surprise attack on her and injured her with it? Yeah no.

3. I will say that if Naruto could use the sealing method on his own, that he could've solo'd Kaguya right

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. Heck, he probably could've solo'd her just by targeting the neck instead. I will also say that Sasuke can do the sealing method on his own. Not only that but Sasuke has the power to at least contend with Kaguya (if he isn't outright stronger). And Current Naruto (the one who just apparently absorbed all the Nature Energy from the planet's surface) will probably match that. Overall, yes, Naruto or Sasuke could probably solo Kaguya.
Yup, I'm done here.
4. If she couldn't react in time to absorb it, that just means she's vulnerable - hence my point that ninjutsu CAN work on her.
no duh but sasuke's ninjutsu isn't. Since kaguya has reacted to his attacks on all the encounters they had.
5. That was directed towards me. You even quoted me twice., lel, my bad.

Answer in bold but im done debating, I'll sit back and let KG solo this.

 

[KidGamer65]

First off, Kaguya can have all the power she desires, but it doesn't make up for her lack of skill.

Skill is barely relevant here. If it was, then Madara would have spanked Naruto and Sasuke due to superior skill. Overwhelming power beats skill anyday, as long as you know how to use said powers, Kaguya does, so there's no issue.

Second, Sasuke wasn't going all-out against Kaguya. That should be pretty clear, now.

He was going all out, with Susanoo, which hasn't changed. The only thing that changed with Sasuke, is that he mastered his Rinnegan, which he didn't use until this chapter. Why would he not go all out against Kaguya anyway?

Third, Kaguya feared chakra-based attacks on several accounts, and was even harmed by them at least thrice.

1. The chakra arm hurt her cause she was blitzed by it, thus couldn't react, thus no absorption.

2. Kamui Raikiri was merged with Kamui's powers, maybe why she couldn't absorb it.

Actually, I don't really get her absorption. She dodged Enton Spikes but she absorbed the same flame a few pages earlier. Its odd. I'll just say that she can't absorb his attacks, though that Bijuu RS didn't even harm her, leading me to believe she absorbed it somehow, which could be the reason why her chakra went haywire, but if she didn't absorb it, that means she tanked it, which makes no sense since Naruto sliced off her arm.

Kakashi and Naruto both (at least partially) disarmed her.

Kakashi damaged her, yes, but Naruto blitzed a weakened Kaguya. She was noted to be much faster after absorbing chakra.

EDIT:

Now that I'm thinking about it, how'd you get that Kaguya > Prime JJ Hagoromo?

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Rikudo admitted inferiority.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Sasuke neg diffs. Give Hagaromo to Kaguya and he still wrecks.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didn't think that this matters, as any Chakra is absorbed. Like Gakido already absorbed different Ninjutsu from different Shinobi at the same time. Non-eyes Madara also absorbed Amaterasu, Hashiramas Chakra and some Kyuubi Chakra, but I don't think that he stops any impact attack and neutralizes it.

If her chakra network is going haywire due to coming into contact with the 9 Bijuu's chakra (because she has all 9 Bijuu in her, hence the negative reaction) then how would she absorb the attack?

Maybe she did absorb the attack, partially, causing that negative reaction, cause I don't think she can tank an attack when she lost her arm to Naruto's Chakra Claw.

 

[Rizengan01]

Skill is barely relevant here.

It is incredibly relevant.

If it was, then Madara would have spanked Naruto and Sasuke due to superior skill.

Nah. You underestimate Naruto and Sasuke's skill. Just recall that even a Kage praised them [

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] They've been top level shinobi since their initial battle at VoTE. Even if Madara is more skilled than them, it isn't by much. And that being said, they also had the power advantage.

Overwhelming power beats skill anyday, as long as you know how to use said powers, Kaguya does, so there's no issue.

You know 'knowing how to use said power' is part of skill, right? Kaguya was bad with her power. She wasted most of her strength randomly teleporting (often picking stupid locations). She fell for Naruto's harem. never even used her TSB (instead she just made it unnecessarily large, and wasted precious time that she couldn't afford).

Honestly, she wasn't skilled. She grew up a princess, not a fighter. Naruto and Sasuke grew up as shinobi, in a shinobi world. They simply had the training from the ground up. She was just a (possibly special) woman that came into great power. She didn't know what she was doing with it. But these two do.

He was going all out, with Susanoo, which hasn't changed. The only thing that changed with Sasuke, is that he mastered his Rinnegan, which he didn't use until this chapter. Why would he not go all out against Kaguya anyway?

He wasn't. He mastered Rinnegan right after the fight, but didn't use any of its powers at all during the fight. He didn't even use majority of his known powers. He just searched for an opponent with his RinneShift, and threw in some Susano'O for good measures.

1. The chakra arm hurt her cause she was blitzed by it, thus couldn't react, thus no absorption.

Exactly.

2. Kamui Raikiri was merged with Kamui's powers, maybe why she couldn't absorb it.

Sure, we can go with that.

Actually, I don't really get her absorption. She dodged Enton Spikes but she absorbed the same flame a few pages earlier. Its odd. I'll just say that she can't absorb his attacks, though that Bijuu RS didn't even harm her, leading me to believe she absorbed it somehow, which could be the reason why her chakra went haywire, but if she didn't absorb it, that means she tanked it, which makes no sense since Naruto sliced off her arm.

Well Enton does impact damage, which Amaterasu doesn't - so that's something to keep in mind. She also didn't absorb Amaterasu at the instant of impact.

She was sent flying from the RS spam, so I would figure it did hurt her. But like against Edo Raikage, I guess it only did superficial wounds. I don't think she absorbed it, since they exploded, and since she reacted to them. I think these things just got caught together and created more of an explosive damage than anything.

Kakashi damaged her, yes, but Naruto blitzed a weakened Kaguya. She was noted to be much faster after absorbing chakra.

I speculate that she allocated most of her power to the TSB she created. But even if she didn't, she really wasn't doing much at all, even with her supposedly great speed boost.

But you know what I thought was funny? Naruto extended a chakra arm against Muu-sama when he wasn't fast enough. Yet he never did that to Kaguya when she was just a short length away.

Anyway, in all honestly, I think she was just surprised by Kakashi. Kamui caught her off-guard.

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Rikudo admitted inferiority.

I covered this in one of my earlier replies.

"He said she was more powerful than anyone. That being said, she also had ALL chakra at the point he was referring to. That being said, she has been defeated twice - the first time by non-JJ Hagoromo (and his brother), and the second time by non-serious NaruSasu (as well as Sakura and Kakashi)."

Just looking at this from a logical standpoint as well, I still think Prime JJ Hagoromo was stronger (or at least close to her strength, but with vastly more skill and techniques).

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke still loses.

 

[KidGamer65]

It is incredibly relevant.

Its not. Naruto and Sasuke stood no chance against Kaguya on their own, their skill didn't help them there.

Nah. You underestimate Naruto and Sasuke's skill. Just recall that even a Kage praised them [

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] They've been top level shinobi since their initial battle at VoTE. Even if Madara is more skilled than them, it isn't by much. And that being said, they also had the power advantage.

You know 'knowing how to use said power' is part of skill, right? Kaguya was bad with her power. She wasted most of her strength randomly teleporting (often picking stupid locations). She fell for Naruto's harem. never even used her TSB (instead she just made it unnecessarily large, and wasted precious time that she couldn't afford).

Stupid locations?

-Lava was to kill all of them in one swoop, would have worked too had she known that Naruto could fly.

-Ice Dimension saved her from their seal, but turned out to be a bad idea since Sasuke had Amaterasu. Was able to use it as an attack against Naruto after she dragged Sasuke away.

-Gravity dimension would have been the end of Naruto and Sasuke's life had Obito not saved them both.

-The Genesis Dimension put her at her strongest point as she could take chakra from the IT victims.

Every location she picked was perfect for the occasion. There was no random teleporting.

Falling for Naruto's harem has nothing to do with skill, or her being bad with her powers. It was a jutsu she hadn't seen before (hence the title of the chapter and hence Naruto's statement) so its not surprising that she'd be baffled by it. Still saved herself though.

As the situation got more serious, she powered up. She only used the Gudo Dama once she got her strength returned to normal cause she had used most of it switching dimensions. Her not using the Gudo Dama right off the bat doesn't begin to imply lack of skill or her being bad with her powers, especially since characters never take out their trump at the start of a fight.

Unnecessarily large? She was aiming to nuke the whole dimension. If it wasn't that large, Kakashi would have been able to warp them away and come back after the damage had been done to the environment, the size is the reason why they had to defeat her then instead of evading.

Honestly, she wasn't skilled. She grew up a princess, not a fighter. Naruto and Sasuke grew up as shinobi, in a shinobi world. They simply had the training from the ground up. She was just a (possibly special) woman that came into great power. She didn't know what she was doing with it. But these two do.

Skill isn't relevant.

He wasn't. He mastered Rinnegan right after the fight, but didn't use any of its powers at all during the fight. He didn't even use majority of his known powers. He just searched for an opponent with his RinneShift, and threw in some Susano'O for good measures.

He attacked her with Perfect Susanoo twice, the same thing he's been using against Naruto up until now, and had it smacked away both times, that is his full power, so there is no way he was holding back, unless his Susanoo got stronger from then, but that isn't possible. Rinne Shift and Perfect Susanoo. That's what he used on Naruto and that's what he used on Kaguya.

Well Enton does impact damage, which Amaterasu doesn't - so that's something to keep in mind. She also didn't absorb Amaterasu at the instant of impact.

I can agree with this.

She was sent flying from the RS spam, so I would figure it did hurt her. But like against Edo Raikage, I guess it only did superficial wounds. I don't think she absorbed it, since they exploded, and since she reacted to them. I think these things just got caught together and created more of an explosive damage than anything.

Yeah, I believe that it did damage as well, but why did it do less than the chakra claw? Meh, whatever.

I speculate that she allocated most of her power to the TSB she created. But even if she didn't, she really wasn't doing much at all, even with her supposedly great speed boost.

That actually makes sense, but she'd still get the boost since BZ's speed and strength boost comment came after her creation of the Gudo Dama.

But you know what I thought was funny? Naruto extended a chakra arm against Muu-sama when he wasn't fast enough. Yet he never did that to Kaguya when she was just a short length away.

He probably thought she'd just absorb it...which is in turn very odd since he used one on her anyway. Lol. He did blitz though, so that could be it.

Anyway, in all honestly, I think she was just surprised by Kakashi. Kamui caught her off-guard.

I can agree with that.

I covered this in one of my earlier replies.

"He said she was more powerful than anyone. That being said, she also had ALL chakra at the point he was referring to. That being said, she has been defeated twice - the first time by non-JJ Hagoromo (and his brother), and the second time by non-serious NaruSasu (as well as Sakura and Kakashi)."

Just looking at this from a logical standpoint as well, I still think Prime JJ Hagoromo was stronger (or at least close to her strength, but with vastly more skill and techniques).

Hagoromo and Hamura beating her, and Team 7 defeating her doesn't invalidate Rikudo saying she's stronger than him.

 

[V h o]

Kirby err Sasuke absorbs Kaguya.

Edit:

OT: Kaguya wins.

 

[Rizengan01]

This may be my last reply for at least the next few hours

Its not. Naruto and Sasuke stood no chance against Kaguya on their own, their skill didn't help them there.

Could've won

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. Sasuke could've used Chidori Eiso instead of regarly Chidori. They could've used Sasuke's RinneShift to replace her with a clone already trapped in their seal. Etc. Sasuke and Naruto had plenty of ways to win that fight.

But like I said, they were holding back.

Stupid locations?

Yeah

-Lava was to kill all of them in one swoop, would have worked too had she known that Naruto could fly.

-Ice Dimension saved her from their seal, but turned out to be a bad idea since Sasuke had Amaterasu. Was able to use it as an attack against Naruto after she dragged Sasuke away.

-Gravity dimension would have been the end of Naruto and Sasuke's life had Obito not saved them both.

-The Genesis Dimension put her at her strongest point as she could take chakra from the IT victims.

Every location she picked was perfect for the occasion. There was no random teleporting.

Teleporting to the gravity place was bad. It even affected her. Throwing Sasuke to the desert was bad. The ice and lava places were kind've understandable. Even going to the genesis dimension was bad (only Sasuke was in the air - going to the lava place would've auto-killed everyone else).

And insistently spamming the teleportation technique was bad too. It was just an unnecessary drainage of her chakra.

Falling for Naruto's harem has nothing to do with skill, or her being bad with her powers. It was a jutsu she hadn't seen before (hence the title of the chapter and hence Naruto's statement) so its not surprising that she'd be baffled by it. Still saved herself though.

If you don't see it as that way, then sure. But Naruto and Sasuke could've finished her off right there. And she has Byakugan, btw.

As the situation got more serious, she powered up. She only used the Gudo Dama once she got her strength returned to normal cause she had used most of it switching dimensions. Her not using the Gudo Dama right off the bat doesn't begin to imply lack of skill or her being bad with her powers, especially since characters never take out their trump at the start of a fight.

It isn't about taking out the trump card, but that she just wasn't being practical.

Unnecessarily large? She was aiming to nuke the whole dimension. If it wasn't that large, Kakashi would have been able to warp them away and come back after the damage had been done to the environment, the size is the reason why they had to defeat her then instead of evading.

She was just going to blow up the land. I mean, they were literally dimension-hopping moments prior. It honestly wasn't that necessary. They just would've went somewhere else instead.

Skill isn't relevant.

But it is.

He attacked her with Perfect Susanoo twice, the same thing he's been using against Naruto up until now, and had it smacked away both times, that is his full power, so there is no way he was holding back, unless his Susanoo got stronger from then, but that isn't possible. Rinne Shift and Perfect Susanoo. That's what he used on Naruto and that's what he used on Kaguya.

Sasuke was only glimpsing over his power. But it is the Rinnegan that solidifies this. Sasuke was holding back, and so was Naruto (hell, Naruto didn't even go into his BM mode).

Yeah, I believe that it did damage as well, but why did it do less than the chakra claw? Meh, whatever.

I guess just because the claw was all focused onto one point, and was strictly impact damage

That actually makes sense, but she'd still get the boost since BZ's speed and strength boost comment came after her creation of the Gudo Dama.

Yeah. That's why I keep this strictly to my own speculation. If she did get much stronger and faster, she didn't do anything with it.

He probably thought she'd just absorb it...which is in turn very odd since he used one on her anyway. Lol. He did blitz though, so that could be it.

I just maintain that they weren't going all out. Logically, they should have been. But if they did, then Kishi wouldn't have any more tricks in his bag for their current fight.

Hagoromo and Hamura beating her, and Team 7 defeating her doesn't invalidate Rikudo saying she's stronger than him.

He never said that. At best, it was implied. He also talked about her at 100% chakra, which never existed in his lifetime.

 

[Voidstep]

Yes, Sasuke shits with both seals. Kaguya has no chance.

Doesn't matter, Sasuke's speed is his current speed plus the speed Bijuu's give you (Naruto's speed) not taking account his Rinneshift. His PS likely tanks ash bone though. Either way, he shit stomps.

No, he has Naruto's Senjutsu durability as well as his new PS. He roasts.

Assuming it damages his new PS enhanced by Rikudo's SM durability, yes.

holly shhht, I loled so hard at the first page
what is this guy going on about!?!? now he's handing more stuff to Sasuke!?!?
Sasuke didn't became a Jink mang, he fused the beasts chakra with the PS... for a reason... for when the battle ends, he won't die from extraction, the manga is endidng, everyone will be free and happy, including the beasts.

Sasuke doesn't have SM, Sasuke doesn't have Jink speed, since he's not a Jink xD
he doesn't have Naruto SM senjutsu stuff, stop making stuff up lmao

Sasuke can only win this because the OP gave him both seals, like that Naruto could potentially win alone too xD

 

[NextGenNinja]

Screw this, I'm making a poll. who ever has the highest votes wins. U_U

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Sasuke is my second favourite character. But this is just ridiculous. Of course he looses. Anyone who says otherwise has seriously gotta stop with the bias.

 

[Ultimateone]

did you people who think sasuke wins forget that she has all the tailed beast chakra plus everybody under IT also. plus every kkg. stop it, she still loses. also, all the bijuu chakra went to his susano not to his body. therefore, he can only utalise that chakra with susano because he doesn't have the gedo mazou. thus he doesn't have naruto type speed because naruto has the bijuu chakra within his body, plus senjutsu chakra on top of that. sasuke would still lose, his susano just wouldn't get smashed as easily.

 

[DrProof]

Gaara > Kaguya.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kaguya > Current Sasuke..

 

[ARGUS]

anyone who spouts the BS wank of sasuke beating kaguya should log out

 

[Scryed]

So this is actually being debated...

 

[ad0]

Madara is still above Sasuke

 

[Conspirator.]

Kagauya is clearly above Sasuke by feats and hype. So she win. Sasuke being on Hagaromo's level doesn't mean he's on par with Kaguya.

 

[wael reda]

kaguya wins rather easily ,her ash bones will destroy sasuke’s ps, kaguya can even teleport her ash bones directly behind ps to make sure that sasuke won't evade or block it

not to mention that she can warp him to another dimension then leaves

also sasuke has no answer to her giant gudoma