[VS] Sasuke's Bijuu PS vs Kaguya

[Apêx1]

Any of them could EASILY break through ice. They start with blitz in nearly every fight in canon. Why should we consider non-canon?

Not easily, don't see where you're getting that from. No, they don't, that's anime.

 

[Rizengan01]

Not easily, don't see where you're getting that from.

They destroy entire land masses with their power. Their Kiai (Karate yells, I guess) blows back enemies of planetary-level durability, and destroy the environment as a mere side-effect. Their ki (like when powering up) shakes the planet.

Yes, they can easily destroy some surrounding ice.

No, they don't, that's anime.

No. I'm talking manga-exclusive. They blitz faaar more often than not.

 

[Blunt]

Kaguya solos 99% BECAUSE ONLY PEOPLE ON THE LEVEL OF Super Buu OR SSJ3 Gotenks can bust open a hole in the dimension.

Vegeta, Goku, Gohan can't unless he's mystic or SSJ2, Fat Buu, Krillen, Yamcha, Piccolo and so on aren't capable of such.

 

[Rizengan01]

Kaguya solos 99% BECAUSE ONLY PEOPLE ON THE LEVEL OF Super Buu OR SSJ3 Gotenks can bust open a hole in the dimension.

That means nothing. Kaguya has two options:

[1] Teleport herself and her opponent to the same dimension
[2] Capture the opponent and teleport them to a different dimension​

Only option 2 will be able to win her the battle. But she won't ever catch any of them. She's way too slow. They still thrash her casually.

 

[Blunt]

That means nothing. Kaguya has two options:

[1] Teleport herself and her opponent to the same dimension
[2] Capture the opponent and teleport them to a different dimension​

Only option 2 will be able to win her the battle. But she won't ever catch any of them. She's way too slow. They still thrash her casually.

Eh, whatever, I'm not going to debate it. I'm just saying.

 

[Apêx1]

They destroy entire land masses with their power. Their Kiai (Karate yells, I guess) blows back enemies of planetary-level durability, and destroy the environment as a mere side-effect. Their ki (like when powering up) shakes the planet.

Yes, they can easily destroy some surrounding ice.



No. I'm talking manga-exclusive. They blitz faaar more often than not.

Planet level durability doesn't mean they can't be pushed, they simply can't be hurt. Last I checked Kai levels weren't destroying planets let alone mountains, so point is moot. Not to mention by the time they have released their Kai, melted the ice, and blitzed, Kaguya would be gone.

Takes more time than her teleporting, so again, moot point.

That means nothing. Kaguya has two options:

[1] Teleport herself and her opponent to the same dimension
[2] Capture the opponent and teleport them to a different dimension​

Only option 2 will be able to win her the battle. But she won't ever catch any of them. She's way too slow. They still thrash her casually.

Hence, my point of people saying Kaguya uses dimension shift and teleports out gives her the victory. Why do you think I brought it up in the fight place? I know she has 0 chance to actually teleport someone with her portal, I'm simply making an analogy to show why the "teleport away from fight till said opponent dies" is not a valid argument for victory.

 

[Rizengan01]

Planet level durability doesn't mean they can't be pushed, they simply can't be hurt.

It definitely is a factor. I can show you Kid Goku getting punched and not budging an inch.

Last I checked Kai levels weren't destroying planets let alone mountains, so point is moot.

Not at all a moot point. Kiai is a focused power, just like most everything else in the DBverse. There's only one instance of a punch actually rattling a planet, but the punches casually harm planet to multi-planet fighters all the time. Gohan even one-shotted ALL the Cell Jr's with punches/kicks, and they were far beyond planet-level.

Not to mention by the time they have released their Kai, melted the ice, and blitzed, Kaguya would be gone.

Nah. You give Kaguya too much credit. It is literally as simple as powering up. And they are faster than she is.

Takes more time than her teleporting, so again, moot point.

Not true. Naruto could blitz her. The DB characters definitely can.

Hence, my point of people saying Kaguya uses dimension shift and teleports out gives her the victory.

Word.

Why do you think I brought it up in the fight place?

No idea.

I know she has 0 chance to actually teleport someone with her portal, I'm simply making an analogy to show why the "teleport away from fight till said opponent dies" is not a valid argument for victory.

I agree to that. I disagree to what you said above, though.

 

[adeshina365]

Who gives a shit anymore? Sasuke's reputation is ruined forever.

 

[Apêx1]

It definitely is a factor. I can show you Kid Goku getting punched and not budging an inch.

Implying? Ice doesn't allow for movement, Kai breaks the Ice but by the time it's broken it, Kaguya has left. Not to mention no character has ever shown an insta Kai, they all charge up for decent periods of time.

Not at all a moot point. Kiai is a focused power, just like most everything else in the DBverse. There's only one instance of a punch actually rattling a planet, but the punches casually harm planet to multi-planet fighters all the time. Gohan even one-shotted ALL the Cell Jr's with punches/kicks, and they were far beyond planet-level.

Don't see the relevance in this.

Nah. You give Kaguya too much credit. It is literally as simple as powering up. And they are faster than she is.

Not at all, she can teleport with a mere thought. Once they're in the ice dimension she easily takes her leave before Kai is charged and a blitz occurs.

Not true. Naruto could blitz her. The DB characters definitely can.

Naruto could blitz a tired out Kaguya, who had barely any chakra, couldn't evade Sasuke's Susano punch, and was asked by BZ to return to the regeneration dimension. Note that the bones on her back were breaking too, so this is nothing to compare her by given dimension shifting is instantaneous.

Word.



No idea.



I agree to that. I disagree to what you said above, though.

Fair enough, I already stated she would lose OC either way, she can only manage to defeat a Z fighter IC due to the overly dramatised aspects Toriyama adds to canon, which would imply they aren't insta-kai blitzing, though it is definitely possible OC, as I said before.

 

[Rizengan01]

Who gives a shit anymore? Sasuke's reputation is ruined forever.

Because of the Bijuu? Recall that trying to gain Bijuu power is the whole reason he went for Hachibi in the first place, right? He also had Kyubi chakra cloak at a point as well. This time, Sasuke is simply in absolute control of the Bijuu power around him.

 

[Rizengan01]

Implying? Ice doesn't allow for movement,

They are strong enough to force the ice away. It can't stifle their movement.

Kai breaks the Ice but by the time it's broken it, Kaguya has left. Not to mention no character has ever shown an insta Kai, they all charge up for decent periods of time.

That's not true. It also isn't necessary.

Don't see the relevance in this.

Weak ass Kai won't move a strong ass opponent. These are strong ass opponents that won't be stifled by ice.

Not at all, she can teleport with a mere thought. Once they're in the ice dimension she easily takes her leave before Kai is charged and a blitz occurs.

The only "thought" teleportation she has teleports everyone in place. It does her no good here.

Naruto could blitz a tired out Kaguya, who had barely any chakra, couldn't evade Sasuke's Susano punch, and was asked by BZ to return to the regeneration dimension. Note that the bones on her back were breaking too, so this is nothing to compare her by given dimension shifting is instantaneous.

She did avoid Sasuke. Whatever she lacked from being tired, the Z fighters more than make up for in superior speed. Still no point. They are faster than her reaction time.

Fair enough, I already stated she would lose OC either way, she can only manage to defeat a Z fighter IC due to the overly dramatised aspects Toriyama adds to canon, which would imply they aren't insta-kai blitzing, though it is definitely possible OC, as I said before.

Toriyama didn't go for overly-dramatic. The anime did, but not canon.

 

[ARGUS]

The wank in this thread is ridiculous
Kaguya still wrecks him

 

[adeshina365]

Because of the Bijuu? Recall that trying to gain Bijuu power is the whole reason he went for Hachibi in the first place, right? He also had Kyubi chakra cloak at a point as well. This time, Sasuke is simply in absolute control of the Bijuu power around him.

It's not embarrassing that Sasuke needs the power of the Bijuu to face Naruto?

Sasuke should be using the Rinnegan ffs.

 

[Rizengan01]

It's not embarrassing that Sasuke needs the power of the Bijuu to face Naruto?

Who said he needed it to face Naruto? He was trying to get Naruto to fight seriously. Once Sasuke went for the Bijuu chakra, Naruto-Kyubi practically shat themselves. Now Naruto just absorbed all the Nature Energy on the surface of the planet (if that is what actually happened) to match Sasuke.

Sasuke should be using the Rinnegan ffs.

Let's just put this in perspective for a second. Before Sasuke even absorbed the Bijuu, he claimed he was the strongest person on the planet (obviously saying he was stronger than Naruto). Before he assimilated the Bijuu, Kyubi said he was on the level of Hagoromo. And so far, Sasuke hasn't even focused on his Rinnegan powers.

Before you say he needed to do that to face Naruto, just look at the context. Sasuke wasn't even going all out. He wasn't pushed into any corner. He didn't need to do anything. He just decided to up the ante to get Naruto serious.

 

[adeshina365]

Do you think Sasuke will stop using the Bijuu chakra? We've been waiting far too long for a proper Rinnegan Sasuke showcase...Bijuu chakra contaminates that.

 

[Rizengan01]

Do you think Sasuke will stop using the Bijuu chakra?

Question:

Last chapter, did you think he would use Bijuu chakra?

We've been waiting far too long for a proper Rinnegan Sasuke showcase...Bijuu chakra contaminates that.

The Bijuu complete the Rinnegan. There's still plenty of room for Sasuke to showcase his Rinnegan power. If Bijuu chakra contaminates him, then he's been contaminated since like chapter 646 I think.

 

[Scryed]

I'll go with Kaguya.

 

[adeshina365]

Question:

Last chapter, did you think he would use Bijuu chakra?

No.

The Bijuu complete the Rinnegan. There's still plenty of room for Sasuke to showcase his Rinnegan power. If Bijuu chakra contaminates him, then he's been contaminated since like chapter 646 I think.

Naruto doesn't have a Rinnegan...it makes Sasuke look bad.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see that the weekly wankfest has begun. Sasuke was absolute fodder to Kaguya, who didn't even need to go anywhere near her full power to shit on him. Giving him pieces of the 9 Bijuu's chakra isn't going to push him up to a level where he can solo her. The marks add nothing but a sealing jutsu, no strength at all. Even if I took that hype of him being on "Old Man Rikudo's Level" as "He's equal with Prime, JJ Hagoromo" he still gets beaten by Kaguya as she is>Hagoromo.

-All his chakra based attacks are absorbed.

-All Killing Ash Bones destroy his Susanoo and if he uses Rinne Shift to dodge and attack her at the same time, she reacts, but instead of evading, she pastes him with a chakra fist or kills him with a bone, or her "Dimension Busting" Gudo Dama destroys his Susanoo and kills him in the process.

Yeah, he'd be able to pressure her this time, but no way in hell is he winning on his own.

 

[Strict]

-All his chakra based attacks are absorbed.

Wouldn't be so sure about this. She did nothing about the 9 Bijuu-Rasenshuriken though she saw them coming.