[Discussion] Sasuke's attitude got me worried

[Glazebone]

Well tbh when Kakashi was almost granted the title of Hokage after Danzo died, it wasn't because he was so popular and respected (which he also was) but because he was the top shinobi of the leaf at that time. ALmost nobody in the village knew who the next hokage would be. Just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[WalksInShadows]

I have read your posts, you are probably the one who needs to see a bit of different perspective here as I am crystal clear with my posts. The title of the Kage can even be bestowed by Tsunade now. Do you think his attitude would matter to her?

it probably wouldn't matter to Tsunade seeing as though Sasuke isn't even the one she wants to be her successor...Naruto is.

Are kakashi and Sakura in a position to give him a title? Is the Jounin council active? Oh wait, they are dead.

yeah, because it's soooo impossible for a place with as big a population for Konoha to replenish its Jonin rank

They've been in plenty of wars where a lot of them died, and they didn't have any trouble replacing those guys. What makes you think this one is going to be the exception when it's all said and done?

Would the Country Leader care Sasuke was a - in your opinion - harsh to them? Give me a break.

if someone were to let the Fire Lord's aides know that Sasuke will give 0 f***s about protecting his investment, then yeah. I don't exactly see why you're sitting here trying to make such a case for Sasuke when it's been established already that the lvl of his concern doesn't go any further than himself. Which basically defeats the whole purpose of acquiring a title that requires one to care about someone other than themselves.

Which is why I have repeatedly pointed it out - Hokages can be appointed on various circumstances, being in good graces with everyone or no one means little to the important lobby.

then why did Danzo sell the Fire Lord's aides on why he would make a better Hokage than any of the previous ones or even why he decided to hold off on doing something to Naruto before the jonin vote? Because other ppl's perception made all of the difference.

When the country leader would learn that Sasuke has a rare Sharingan that turned the tides of war, he'll be bothered by his attitude?

none of that will matter because again...Naruto will be the one Tsunade will recommend in the end. Sasuke doesn't even enter the equation in part because he's a reason why the war happened in the first place.

There you go. Sasuke can be popular with no one in Konoha and can still get the title.

using your logic, Madara was still leader of the Uchiha even after he lost everyone's respect and trust. If Sasuke doesn't have ppl's respect or even their trust, not a single person around there will be inclined to follow him. He doesn't have to be popular with Taka because he's their boss. It take something else to be a leader. That's something Sasuke doesn't and never will know how to be.

 

[Battle Neurosis]

Just because you want Sasuke to turn into some romantic doesn't mean we all have to agree. It's kinda petty that I see people pressing on this pathetic notion that what Sasuke said should be softened down. Kakashi is utterly useless without his Sharingan, and guess what, he always was.

Sakura, despite her medical techniques cannot add anything. She tried to attack Madara and failed - an embarrassment through and through. They are nothing but hurdles at this point. You want Sasuke to be a sugar-coating-daddy? I mean, come on!

Sasuke doesn't need to change!
He seems cool as he is!
But he also is not of Hokage material! He's more like an arrogant shit than anything else!

 

[NiiNjuH]

Well, my opinion is as important as any opinion in these forums, really. If you like it, good, if you don't, well that's also okay.

Doing criticism towards an opinion doesn't have any sense. But in the other way, you can do criticism towards logic.

I'm also doing criticism to that point. I'm asking "why the need of telling that he should not give information" and then "he gives it".

Or... maybe -considering Naruto's words- Sasuke spoke because Naruto got a point telling that Sakura or Kakashi could have a plan. People doesn't need a sharingan to create good plans... Kakashi and Sakura may not be as useless as Sasuke thought, and Naruto maybe reminded him about that.

or maybe sausage is just a super tsundere

 

[shelke]

it probably wouldn't matter to Tsunade seeing as though Sasuke isn't even the one she wants to be her successor...Naruto is. yeah, because it's soooo impossible for a place with as big a population for Konoha to replenish its Jonin rank

They've been in plenty of wars where a lot of them died, and they didn't have any trouble replacing those guys. What makes you think this one is going to be the exception when it's all said and done?


I couldn't care less whether he becomes Hokage or not, albeit, I would love the rants. I simply wanted to point it out to you that your stance is wrong, period. Whether she appoints him or not is again past the point, as there are other options as well.

I would love to see any manga proof that points towards the speedy appointment of a Jounin Council. Any single one would do. Since you don't know the process or the proceedings, why grasp at straws? The Jounin Council is gone, so the Country Leader remains the most viable option.




If someone were to let the Fire Lord's aides know that Sasuke will give 0 f***s about protecting his investment, then yeah. I don't exactly see why you're sitting here trying to make such a case for Sasuke when it's been established already that the lvl of his concern doesn't go any further than himself. Which basically defeats the whole purpose of acquiring a title that requires one to care about someone other than themselves.then why did Danzo sell the Fire Lord's aides on why he would make a better Hokage than any of the previous ones or even why he decided to hold off on doing something to Naruto before the jonin vote? Because other ppl's perception made all of the difference. none of that will matter because again...Naruto will be the one Tsunade will recommend in the end. Sasuke doesn't even enter the equation in part because he's a reason why the war happened in the first place.

Right, and did my points on Clan Segregation slip your gaze or you couldn't comprehend them? Did every Hokage actually took into consideration the safety and interests of all? Don't make such a ridiculous point, when we both know it's incorrect. Hyuga Clan's Branch Family, Orochimaru fiasco, Root Division's unethical activities, and Uchiha Segregation come to my mind here. The kind of Unicorn and Bunnies picture you are painting clearly doesn't define a Kage - a magnanimous man that has a bleeding heart and cares for all.

As for the Leader, then let's not be his mouth-piece. You have no proof that he would disregard Sasuke or not, when he didn't even value the rest of the Jounin Council and made Danzo a Hokage anyway. Don't be so sure of yourself.

using your logic, Madara was still leader of the Uchiha even after he lost everyone's respect and trust. If Sasuke doesn't have ppl's respect or even their trust, not a single person around there will be inclined to follow him. He doesn't have to be popular with Taka because he's their boss. It take something else to be a leader. That's something Sasuke doesn't and never will know how to be.

There you go again with people's respect. Very few respected Danzo and he became a Hokage anyway. Almost no one valued Gaara, yet he became a Kazekage anyway. Even as he was fighting for the Village, the Council was still unsure of his stance and position. What does it take to be a leader? Be a Miss Establishment like Naruto? A segregating douche bag and an eternal whiner like Tobirama? Abetting a mass murderer to escape, offering the head of an innocent man, not pushing Uchiha Dialogues like Hiruzen? Sound like great merits and public confidence winner stances to me.

Again, which manga are you reading?

The reply is the bold portion.

 

[xyungmili]

if someone were to let the Fire Lord's aides know that Sasuke will give 0 f***s about protecting his investment, then yeah. I don't exactly see why you're sitting here trying to make such a case for Sasuke when it's been established already that the lvl of his concern doesn't go any further than himself. Which basically defeats the whole purpose of acquiring a title that requires one to care about someone other than themselves..

Although Kishi hasn't clarified what Sasukes motives are, it seems he wants to change the Ninja System completely. I think apart of keeping these people alive is because that is what he wanted to do. If he honestly didn't want to protect the nija world he wouldn't be fighting, he wouldn't have protected team 7 with his susano'o, and he could've took up on Madaras offer and rule the world with him.

 

[Mr Hiru]

The point is, Sasuke has always been arrogant, and let's face it, there is a maw of difference between their powers. It's just a fact and he has always been vocal about it. He probably lashed out at Sakura as he has - together with Naruto - saved her how many times now? It's important to tell her her place as far as the war tiers go. She's weak and now, quite frankly speaking useless. His words are harsh, but they ring with truth. Sometimes, it's important to tell people the truth no matter how harsh it may be.

If he doesn't, she might rush outside again, ruining everything. So, it's important that he stresses her position and same is the case with Kakashi. Why should he remain silent, when the chances of them trying something stupid are colossal? That way, Naruto might go out and ruin things, putting the whole world in jeopardy. It's no time for etiquette man, but straight responses.

I will not agree with your second point at all, and my post covers it mostly. Not telling them means they would make rash decisions. Remember Sakura rushing at Madara for no reason? Even if he tells them about Limbo, they won't understand as they cannot sense or see it. So, there is no point. What the better solution? Tell them bluntly that they're useless. The shame would instill the gravity of the situation.

Remember, there are times when harsh language is most effective or even punishment. For example if a 4 year old starts to cross a busy road, it's recommended that he should be punished with a tight slap. Why? Because parents will not get another change to reinforce his behaviour. Sasuke may not be a parent, but he can see Limbo, he can recall viable information, which Naruto again failed at: "Who is Kaguya?" This means, the guy isn't that reliable in this department. So that leaves him to reinforce their behaviour with bluntness.

Sasuke is a prodigy and can easily take Kakashi's role, but can Kakashi do the same if he isn't told that he is useless? Keep that in mind that there is nothing stopping Kakashi and Sakura to do something stupid, especially the latter. That would galvanize Naruto into action, making him do something utterly preposterous in turn, and if he's killed then what?

The situation is too delicate for pleasantries, I'm afraid. Far too delicate, as it's not a matter of one nation, one country, but the whole world. Why should Sasuke indulge them is beyond me. Bluntness is the way to achieve the best results here. That's all I'll say.

Fair enough. I guess I understand the reason behind your disagreement in point two, henceforth the justification behind Sasuke's way of acting in that situation.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

He just talked to kakashi and sakura later on in the chapter

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[kiclik76]

he's such a cold person....