Sasuke would be fodder if it weren't for Obito

[VongolaX]

every character would be a fodder without others. example akatsuki top leaders

 

[Champ]

except I do like Sasuke, and he was the best example because most people who badmouth Kabuto and Nagato's abilities are Itachi and Sasuke fans.

Sure why didn't you use Madara, if he also didn't take his brother eyes he would be blind, or if he didn't take Hashirama DNA he would've never obtained the Rinnegan, or Mokuton

 

[Lightbringer]

Sure why didn't you use Madara, if he also didn't take his brother eyes he would be blind, or if he didn't take Hashirama DNA he would've never obtained the Rinnegan, or Mokuton

I just gave you the reason why. This argument usually pops up in Kabuto vs Itachi/Sasuke threads, so how would that relate to Madara?

 

[Lana Del Taka]

My point is that people like to use this argument on Kabuto/Nagato, saying that they're weak and pathetic and only got stronger by getting help from a second source; when even Sasuke and naruto did this.

true, but many people would be weak without someone else, not just Sasuke.

 

[Lightbringer]

true, but many people would be weak without someone else, not just Sasuke.

yup exactly

 

[Meee]

Correction...Sasuke would be blind ;P!!!

Although it is also true to say that without Obito, Sasuke would have had no reason to go to the Kage Summit Arc, wouldn't have fought Danzo, and he wouldn't have fought Bee...the events that made him blind.

He would have probably gone back to Konoha, and would still be on a high shinobi level regardless.

This ^^

 

[Champ]

I just gave you the reason why. This argument usually pops up in Kabuto vs Itachi/Sasuke threads, so how would that relate to Madara?

Cause Madara would be fodder if it weren't for Izuna & Hashirama

 

[VongolaX]

My point is that people like to use this argument on Kabuto/Nagato, saying that they're weak and pathetic and only got stronger by getting help from a second source; when even Sasuke and naruto did this.

idk if this applies to nagato, but kabuto wasn't even weak when he was shitting on tsunade without borrowed powers

 

[Lightbringer]

Cause Madara would be fodder if it weren't for Izuna & Hashirama

Yeah but how often do we see a Madara vs Kabuto thread? not often

We see a lot Kabuto/Nagato vs Sasuke or Itachi threads. and in those threads the Sasuke/Itachi supporters always say that Kabuto is fodder because he needed people's DNA to become strong and are obvious to the fact that Sasuke and Itachi get handouts too and would be weak without them and pretty much everyone else too, including Madara.

So I used Sasuke as an example to lure in those people who give that argument and educate them. Do you see what I'm saying?

 

[Lightbringer]

idk if this applies to nagato, but kabuto wasn't even weak when he was shitting on tsunade without borrowed powers

Well people say that Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan, etc. and people always forget that about Kabuto and those who do, I kid you not that they give the excuse that he was only able to do that because he struck fear into tsunade.

 

[Champ]

Yeah but how often do we see a Madara vs Kabuto thread? not often

We see a lot Kabuto/Nagato vs Sasuke or Itachi threads. and in those threads the Sasuke/Itachi supporters always say that Kabuto is fodder because he needed people's DNA to become strong and are obvious to the fact that Sasuke and Itachi get handouts too and would be weak without them and pretty much everyone else too, including Madara.

So I used Sasuke as an example to lure in those people who give that argument and educate them. Do you see what I'm saying?

Yea so basically this is a troll thread alright.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

Same goes for Madara.
If it weren't for Kabuto, Naruto would've already pounded his ass into the ground.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yea so basically this is a troll thread alright.

lol you're really defensive about Sasuke. A troll thread would be saying that tenten>Sasuke. I never said that Sasuke was weak, just that he got a handout like everyone else. I even admitted to Madara getting handouts too. Calm down bro, I don't hate Sasuke, but I try not to be biased either and I argue toward people who are.

 

[BlackBison]

Right now it sounded like u picked a way to bash sasuke but i will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you had no intention of bashing sasuke.

There is a big difference between continuing with your clan ascension to power, getting eyes that you truly believed you unlocked, and injecting yourself with the dna's of 9 different shinobis. Sasuke is just completing the incomplete ms the only way the uchihas know of by taking the eyes of his brother's and having obito transplant them to him. Nagato truly thought he unlocked the rinnegan but sadly those are madara's eyes. We do not know how strong he would be without but he has them and he even suffered because of them(R.i.p nagato).

Kabuto though is a different story completely. I can understand transplanting orochimaru's dna he is like his idol. But when he started to inject every strong sound ninja that worked under orochimaru, thats were i draw the line. Kabuto is using 9 different ninjas special abilities so that he could get stronger. That is why he is strong and their is no way around it. We seen how strong kabuto was and he is a slid jounin level ninja but he cant compete with higher tier ninjas. My last thing on this is when your physical appearance permatly changes and you grow a snake on your stomach, then the only reason you got stronger was because of stealing other ninjas powers. Though he got what he deserved, a trio into izanagi and now that orochimaru took his powers back it is safe to say that kabuto cant enter dsm anymore.

 

[Lightbringer]

Same goes for Madara.
If it weren't for Kabuto, Naruto would've already pounded his ass into the ground.

The final sentence of my thread says that everyone got handouts, including Madara.....

 

[Champ]

lol you're really defensive about Sasuke. A troll thread would be saying that tenten>Sasuke. I never said that Sasuke was weak, just that he got a handout like everyone else. I even admitted to Madara getting handouts too. Calm down bro, I don't hate Sasuke, but I try not to be biased either and I argue toward people who are.

Didn't know tellin the truth was being defensive, anyway I'll leave with this. Madara would be fodder if it weren't for Izuna & Hashirama

 

[VongolaX]

Well people say that Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan, etc. and people always forget that about Kabuto and those who do, I kid you not that they give the excuse that he was only able to do that because he struck fear into tsunade.

ppl didn't say madara gave him the eyes, it stated in the manga that he did. Besides that kabuto striking fear into his opponents is an ability allowed in fights. so kabuto beats part 1 tsunade

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Correction...Sasuke would be blind ;P!!!

Although it is also true to say that without Obito, Sasuke would have had no reason to go to the Kage Summit Arc, wouldn't have fought Danzo, and he wouldn't have fought Bee...the events that made him blind.

He would have probably gone back to Konoha, and would still be on a high shinobi level regardless.

I gotta agree with this

 

[Lightbringer]

Didn't know tellin the truth was being defensive, anyway I'll leave with this. Madara would be fodder if it weren't for Izuna & Hashirama

yeah but you're already saying what I've stated because I already said in my thread that everyone gets handouts including Madara and you're stating this again because you're mad at me for using Sasuke as an example rather than Madara.

So you're comments are just rephrasing my point of this thread, except you're trying to attack Madara now because I used Sasuke.

 

[Lightbringer]

ppl don't say madara gave him the eyes, it stated in the manga that he did. Besides that kabuto striking fear into his opponents is an ability allowed in fights. so kabuto beats part 1 tsunade

I'm not disagreeing with you, you know? I'm just clarifying the dumb arguments people give in vs threads mainly with Kabuto/Nagato/and Madara