Sasuke without sharingan( =Minato) >Naruto without kurama

[Forbidden Twilight]

sasuke will be like minato when he grow up without sharingan

you make some valid points but think about sasuke's lightning abilities, his main attack for finishing off opponents was chidori in part 1. that saying, he would of NEVER learned that without somehow copying the speed of rock lee( someone who almost RAPED him in part 1 with the sharigan ill have you know) with his sharigan, so thattakes away one of his moves.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Mr simple agreeing,typical of a fanboy.
But what I don't get is Blaze release agreeing,seriously?I thought he was partial.
Minato was said to be a genious who appeared only once a generation,you make me laugh when you compare his and sasuke's intelligence,seriously,watdafuq?
Oh!and it was minato who created DRS!

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

And Naruto without J-man would never know about rasengan, so let's not talk about like that cause it's pointless.

Being the right choice for Kurama doesn't mean you're the only one that can become it's host. You're just the best choice. Kurama is a power made by s06p and it was given to Naruto after his bird because he is best choice for it.

So making thread like this Sasuke without sharringan and Naruto without Kurama is irrelevant.

Sasuke has his sharringan until MS

EMS is given
Kurama is given.

But you know
SM>MS right?
Not counting the stolen eye's from itachi.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Re: Sasuke without sharingan =Minato >Naruto without kurama

Erm the manga has established sasuke as a genius in his own right before the sharingan, but also a ninja developer.
Is he equal to Minato its subjective, not sure who people are flaming the op. However what interests me is where you got the idea that he created shiki fuijin.

Minato ****S on Sasuke without sharingan. Literally low diff.

 

[MrSimple]

But you know
SM>MS right?
Not counting the stolen eye's from itachi.

Did I say Sasuke>Naruto?, no I didn't, so don't say I am a fanboy.

I'm not saying that Sasuke is better but what they have on their own.

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: Sasuke without sharingan =Minato >Naruto without kurama

Kakashi was considered a genius too before he had the sharingan, but he was still no match against Minato. Even now, I would say that the only reason Kakashi might stand a chance would be because of Kamui.

I don't see how Sasuke will have any techniques which can counter FTG, especially without the Sharingan. As for RDS, I never said Minato invented it - I just don't see Sasuke learning pro sealing techniques, especially since the fact that Kushina isn't as close to Sasuke as Minato is.

I agree that ninja's with special abilities either kg or jin, when they are stripped off their powers they become weaker than ninja's without kg or special trait. However that is because they have moulded their fighting style around this therefore obviously taking it away from them and they would be to an extent lost.

I see sasuke learning sealing techniques. He is also a genius who was said to grasp the concept of stuff so easily that he was a bore to teach, though it would depend on his teacher. Even now with his intuition he put one and two together based on the Fuja Hoin principle to release orochimaru using Kaija Hoin

Minato ****S on Sasuke without sharingan. Literally low diff.

Im arguing something of more importance and do not partake much in vs threads

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

I agree that ninja's with special abilities either kg or jin, when they are stripped off their powers they become weaker than ninja's without kg or special trait. However that is because they have moulded their fighting style around this therefore obviously taking it away from them and they would be to an extent lost.

I see sasuke learning sealing techniques. He is also a genius who was said to grasp the concept of stuff so easily that he was a bore to teach, though it would depend on his teacher. Even now with his intuition he put one and two together based on the Fuja Hoin principle to release orochimaru using Kaija Hoin

Pls blaze,all what you said in this post,can you supply manga scans,yes?.

 

[Xlad]

And Naruto without J-man would never know about rasengan, so let's not talk about like that cause it's pointless.

Being the right choice for Kurama doesn't mean you're the only one that can become it's host. You're just the best choice. Kurama is a power made by s06p and it was given to Naruto after his bird because he is best choice for it.

So making thread like this Sasuke without sharringan and Naruto without Kurama is irrelevant.

Sasuke has his sharringan until MS

EMS is given
Kurama is given.

But you know
SM>MS right?
Not counting the stolen eye's from itachi.

You also forget to mention that Naruto is the only one at this point that can be Kurama's Jinchuriki. No one else can be able to perform same feat, even if they are compatible.
Kishimoto clearly did not intend to write Naruto as a Jinchuriki just so these kind of threads exist. He was intending that those feats and abilities were by Naruto alone, regardless if he is a TB host.

The fact is the top-tier characters will get to where they are, no whys or buts. That's just how it is.

 

[freaks99]

Re: Sasuke without sharingan =Minato >Naruto without kurama

I see sasuke learning sealing techniques. He is also a genius who was said to grasp the concept of stuff so easily that he was a bore to teach, though it would depend on his teacher. Even now with his intuition he put one and two together based on the Fuja Hoin principle to release orochimaru using Kaija Hoin

who talk this ?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Pls blaze,all what you said in this post,can you supply manga scans,yes?.

Kakashi told Naruto Sasuke was dull to teach, because he learned everything so quickly. The fuinjutsu part was just speculation.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Even Naruto is genious,A genious of hard work.
Though he doesn't learn stuFfs by discription,he learns by doing.he archieved feats that his genious of a father couldn't....
So give it up Macho,using the word genious as a clear win for sasuke makes you fail reasonably,because the word is occasionally used,so it doesn't carry much dignity anymore.

 

[CommanderInChief]

But thats impossible.. he would be strugling behind Naruto if he didn't have the Sharingan.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

Kakashi told Naruto Sasuke was dull to teach, because he learned everything so quickly. The fuinjutsu part was just speculation.

Ok,I agree!but Sakura qualifies that word than sasuke!

 

[Blaze Release]

Kakashi told Naruto Sasuke was dull to teach, because he learned everything so quickly. The fuinjutsu part was just speculation.

The fuinjutsu part is no speculation its cannon.

 

[freaks99]

Even Naruto is genious,A genious of hard work.
Though he doesn't learn stuFfs by discription,he learns by doing.he archieved feats that his genious of a father couldn't....
So give it up Macho,using the word genious as a clear win for sasuke makes you fail reasonably,because the word is occasionally used,so it doesn't carry much dignity anymore.

wrong. only lee genius hardworking.

 

[MrSimple]

You also forget to mention that Naruto is the only one at this point that can be Kurama's Jinchuriki. No one else can be able to perform same feat, even if they are compatible.
Kishimoto clearly did not intend to write Naruto as a Jinchuriki just so these kind of threads exist. He was intending that those feats and abilities were by Naruto alone, regardless if he is a TB host.

The fact is the top-tier characters will get to where they are, no whys or buts. That's just how it is.

It's true but that doesn't change the fact which is the given power.

Normally people exclude one thing for another, so their character wouldn't be much affected but in our case Sasuke is free to use his 3 tomoe sharringan and Naruto is not. Because everything Naruto did learn was an aftermath. This power may suits him well but it's not his own to begin with.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

The fuinjutsu part is no speculation its cannon.

Unsealing Orochimaru, yes. But that isn't going to help him anywhere else.

 

[choft]

Re: Sasuke without sharingan =Minato >Naruto without kurama

I agree that ninja's with special abilities either kg or jin, when they are stripped off their powers they become weaker than ninja's without kg or special trait. However that is because they have moulded their fighting style around this therefore obviously taking it away from them and they would be to an extent lost.

I see sasuke learning sealing techniques. He is also a genius who was said to grasp the concept of stuff so easily that he was a bore to teach, though it would depend on his teacher. Even now with his intuition he put one and two together based on the Fuja Hoin principle to release orochimaru using Kaija Hoin

That's why I used the example of Kakashi specifically, because to me, Sasuke would have been like Kakashi without Sharingan.

Both are lightning style users, both are intelligent, and if Sasuke wasn't obsessed with his clan, I would say that he has the same kind of attitude Kakashi had.

As for the example you said about releasing Orochimaru, all of this happened because he had Sharingan. If he had not had the Sharingan, Orochimaru wouldn't have even been him interested in Sasuke in the first place, and thus given him a curse mark, and Sasuke wouldn't have noticed it. But yeah, maybe Sasuke would have learnt sealing techinques, but I wouldn't say it would be to the same level as Minato. Kakashi knows Fuja Hoin too, but he doesn't know RDS.

There are different level of geniuses, and I think Sasuke was Kakashi-genius level, not Minato's level.

 

[The Alchemist]

Fully agree, it was already made a thread about how Sasuke could not have sharringan which was ridiculous. Naruto without Kurama has to rely on his SM and other jutsu.

MrSimple[minded that is], once again you endorse stupidity when it comes to Uchiha fan-boyism. Has it occurred to you that Naruto without Kurama would mean a Naruto with living parents (one of which is the fourth Hokage) to teach him? Also it has been stated by both Jaraiya and Kakashi that a naruto without Kyuubi would be still highly formidable because of his already vast chakra pool (he is half Uzumaki after all) and he would also have way better chakra control and manipulation.
A Naruto without Kurama is a Naruto that is able to focus on his studies and not have to live as a lonely outcast, he would be far more intelligent because he would get taught at the feet of one of the most powerful shinobi ever and it can be argued that he would have exceptional Fuuin jutsu taught to him by his mother.
A Naruto without Kurama would be just as bad an opponent for Sasuke as a Naruto with Kurama, so stop the BS V.S threads.
Oh and Minato would stomp Sasuke as he is let alone without the sharingan, the very tool that gives him any sort of edge over his opponents. Sasuke may be a criminal but he is no where near as feared as Minato was. Iwa ordered their shinobi to simply flee on sight when he was spotted, haven't heard that about anyone in the manga other than Minato.
A Sasuke without Sharingan might as well be blind U_U.
Edit: And stop it with this Kirin talk. Have you forgotten that it takes a major set up to work?

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This tech took up almost the next chapter to complete. You have to firstly shoot a powerful Katon jutsu into the air creating the necessary upward air currents caused by the flames heat. If your opponent still has a good deal of chakra (Kakashi has more chakra than Itachi and better stamina so Minato and Naruto's are much greater) and can use powerful Suiton jutsu or let's say a barrier seal they can destroy or redirect the technique making it useless to produce the necessary effect on the atmosphere. And with the time it takes for the atmosphere to heat up Minato and Naruto (who would undoubtedly learn FTG from his father in this scenario) would make mince meat of Sasuke before Kirin can be released.

 

[VongolaX]

Minato can how you say....................solo the both of them with bijuu and sharingan