hey just tell me when minato became hokage weren't there uchihas like fugaku, itachi and other uchihas who had sharing and other possible jutsus in their disposal. still minato became hokage. right. got my point. uchihas were and will always remain pawns of senjus and konoha
Sasuke without sharingan( =Minato) >Naruto without kurama
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Be wary of Minato's space-time jutsu. Even with Sasuke's natural skills, he wouldn't be able to counter Minato's jutsu. Now, if Sasuke's sharingan was maximized( becoming the Rinnegan) THEN, he would be >Minato. But as of now, without Sharingan, Minato is cycles ahead of Sasuke and even with Sharingan, Sasuke would only be able to do as little as defend.
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Sasuke is inferior to Minato. First of all, he lacks the intelligence that Minato had. It's true that Sasuke is a genius in his own right, but that does not mean he's at Minato's level. Minato was the fourth hokage who reverse engineered the TBB and created the Rasengan.
Minato also created the FTG technique and was the first to use the Reaper Death Seal. Minato also had sensory abilities equal to the level of Tobirama Senju. Furthermore, Minato could prevent his opponents from using Summons and after seeing a technique once could quickly deduce the basic mechanics behind it, such as the strengths and weaknesses of Kakashi's Chidori.
Sasuke without his Sharingan is nowhere near Minato's level.
Minato also created the FTG technique and was the first to use the Reaper Death Seal. Minato also had sensory abilities equal to the level of Tobirama Senju. Furthermore, Minato could prevent his opponents from using Summons and after seeing a technique once could quickly deduce the basic mechanics behind it, such as the strengths and weaknesses of Kakashi's Chidori.
Sasuke without his Sharingan is nowhere near Minato's level.
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Epic fail dude.
1. Sasuke without sharingan would not be able to do lightning release. As stated by Kakashi, it is the sharingan that allows him to do lightning release correctly. If Sasuke didn't have sharingan, he wouldn't be able to see what he needs to in order to control it. Check the manga if you don't believe me.
2. Naruto doesn't have nor has he ever had sharingan, so I don't even know why you said that
3. Even if Naruto doesn't have the kyubi, it doesn't matter. It wasn't the Kyubi's power that helped him master the Rasengan, he did that with his own power. And he also MASTERED SM DESPITE of the kyubi (remember, Ma and Pa couldn't fuse with Naruto and help him because the kyubi wouldn't let them). So even without the healing abilities and KM mode from kyubi, Naruto w/o kyubi >>>> Sasuke w/o sharingan any day of the week
4. Because of points 1,2, and 3, I won't even go into a Minato/Sasuke comparison. I'll just say that you failed at that point too and leave it at that
5. Congrats on making the popular threads list. I don't know if this was your plan or if you were trying to troll purposely or not, but it's nice that you showed everyone that even NB members with high rep can be fanyboys too
1. Sasuke without sharingan would not be able to do lightning release. As stated by Kakashi, it is the sharingan that allows him to do lightning release correctly. If Sasuke didn't have sharingan, he wouldn't be able to see what he needs to in order to control it. Check the manga if you don't believe me.
2. Naruto doesn't have nor has he ever had sharingan, so I don't even know why you said that
3. Even if Naruto doesn't have the kyubi, it doesn't matter. It wasn't the Kyubi's power that helped him master the Rasengan, he did that with his own power. And he also MASTERED SM DESPITE of the kyubi (remember, Ma and Pa couldn't fuse with Naruto and help him because the kyubi wouldn't let them). So even without the healing abilities and KM mode from kyubi, Naruto w/o kyubi >>>> Sasuke w/o sharingan any day of the week
4. Because of points 1,2, and 3, I won't even go into a Minato/Sasuke comparison. I'll just say that you failed at that point too and leave it at that
5. Congrats on making the popular threads list. I don't know if this was your plan or if you were trying to troll purposely or not, but it's nice that you showed everyone that even NB members with high rep can be fanyboys too
No...Just no. First off Sasuke is only able to use Chidori because of the Sharingan or have you forgot when Minato told Kakashi that Chidori is an inncomplete jutsu because the speed required to use it makes it hard for the user to see and react to the enemy's counter attacks. This is because Chidori is a thrust attack. Also Sasuke used the Sharingan to help him learn the chidori. Sasuke also used the sharingan to copy Lee's taijutsu back during the chuunin exam. Sasuke it depended on the sharingan because with it he can read and predict his opponent's moves which helps his taijutsu (Look back how Sasuke Taijutsu changed when he went from 2 tomoes to 3 tomoes against Naruto in part 1).
This mean Sasuke wouldn't be able to read his opponent's movements so he's taijutsu will go down a bit and he won't be able to see which Naruto's shadow clones are clones. That will cost him in their fight for obvious reasons. As for Naruto, Naruto worked hard for SM so that's a power he worked for and with it he's still stronger than most ninjas who are kage level. Zetsu even said Naruto (SM) was stronger than Sasuke (MS) now back after Naruto defeated Pain. And yes Naruto is fast, he was fast enough to save Sakura from Sasuke and SM increases his speed a lot. Plus he has the best sensory ability in SM, he was able to sense the 3rd Raikage's attack and counter him and this was a Naruto shadow clone.
Plus you do know the majority of Naruto's training with Jiraiya was to try and control Kurama's power right? So without Kurama Naruto would have been learning jutsus and further increasing his skills. The rest of his training was some taijutsu, chakra control (learned to dispell genjutsus, trained to try and control Kurama, increase his shadow clone usage speed), learned Oodama rasengan, can summon toads better and that's about all beside his chakra increasing.
Naruto without Kurama, still has Sage Mode, and a even better one. Because Kyuubi is the one that didn't allowed ma and pa to fuse with Naruto. But without Kurama, Ma and Pa can help Naruto. So we have a more complete Sage Mode Naruto, without Kyuubi. Still has RasenShuriken, Rasengan and Tajuu Kage Bunshin.
Sasuke without Sharingan, a Sasuke with Chidori variations, Kirin, powerful Fire Styles, good with the sword, can summon hawks and snakes, and has Curse Mark. BUT Sasuke CANNOT predict movements anymore, spam susanoo, amaterasu, cast eye genjutsus.
non kyuubi Naruto DESTROYS non sharingan Sasuke
Sasuke without Sharingan, a Sasuke with Chidori variations, Kirin, powerful Fire Styles, good with the sword, can summon hawks and snakes, and has Curse Mark. BUT Sasuke CANNOT predict movements anymore, spam susanoo, amaterasu, cast eye genjutsus.
non kyuubi Naruto DESTROYS non sharingan Sasuke
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SM naruto is beast cause naruto had hard work in training, SM is 1000 times stronger then Sasuke can ever be, Kakashi even said without the 9 tails his chakra would be 100 times more then his own, so naruto has far more chakra then Sasuke. naruto abilities would be stronger cause of SM, but Sasuke can only use chidori like once or twice as Kakashi said but with his sharingan he was able to do more but if no sharingan that would drop. and he can't see naruto moves or be able to dodge his (shadowclones) because he can't see all of them at once without it. but naruto SM would be stronger without 9 tails. so naruto would win, Sasuke vs Minato lol that's over kill Minato know to many jutsu, he's faster far more intelligent he can out match him in skills everything Sasuke is Minato is better at it. even with amaterasu, susanno he still wouldn't win cause he'll never hit Minato he can teloport instantly, not only that Sasuke can only use his abilities so many times before his eyes start acting up. so Minato wins.
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Sasuke w/o sharingan vs SM Naruto ?
Sasuke won't even be able to figure out how SM works , not talking about dodging Frog Katas
And Naruto adn MA and PA can easily put him under a Genjutsu
blackguy12
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Lets get one thing straight for all you sasuke fanboys... sasuke is a fodder without sharingan. I don't care how much of a genius he is. He has no skill set without his eyes so taking his eyes away makes him a complete fodder. Shikamaru is a genius but only can perform one jutsu and he is a fodder as well. Sakura is a genius and she is week. Before the clan massacre no one even thought of sasuke . I like sasuke but thaws threads are insane
