Sasuke with Perfect Susano'o?
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Sarutobi Joshua
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This is the Susanoo he attained after getting the EMS, the perfect Susanoo.
Heres the thing, the Susanoo that Madara popped out against the Kage's, we have no classification for it, it seems to be a level above "perfect" susanoo, like Noobastank already said, he has it.
Consider this, he attains PS in his fight with Kakashi, he gains an upg version of PS once he gains EMS, he'll probably be able to project it and stabilise it completely if he attains the Rinnegan. All three are PS, just differing levels of perfection,
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-_- Misinformed as always. . . :sy:
:scorps:Let me just step in and clean up this :flaw: COWABUNGA F**K:flaw:. . .
Well lets see what we've got here, shall we. A lot of people are wondering about Sasuke's Final Susano'o being like Madara's Final Susano'o. Let me just clear things up here. . . SASUKE ALREADY HAS A FINAL SUSANO'O!!!
Now that the cat's outta the bag, Lets get to the proof.
Now lets look at the obvious. . . Astetics
We know that the susano'o goes through different stages of development. Ribcage>Incomplete>Complete>Final>Perfect Final (Stabolized).
As we hace seen, Sasuke has already aquired the final Susano'o.
Lets just compare it with Madara's and Itachi's to be clear.
Now what does this prove. Well, visually they all look roughly the same. Same basic art design, same textural patterns, and same conditions for activation.
Now here's where the confusion seems to lye. There are two points of confusion. Full body V.S. Torso and Stability.
Lets look at the bodily structure first.
Obviously, Madara's looks (and most likely IS) far superior to Sasuke's. But you ust remember, Susano'o Differs from one individual to the next. Itachi's Susano'o manifested the legendary weapons Totsuka blade & Yata Mirror. Sasuke has a sword that automatically activates his inferno style jutsu and sets ablaze anything it touches with Amaterasu! In Madara's case, he hasn't any spectacular weapons or anything, but what he DOES have is a Susano'o that can freely walk, run, JUMP!, AND CAST NINJUTSU BY ITSELF!!! Also notice that Madara NEVER ONCE manifested the torso alone in a COMPLETE form, but only in an incomplete form. When do we FINALLY See the complete Susano'o?
Now here's a question. . . WHY DIDN'T HE JUST USE THE COMPLETE TORSO AND SAVE SOME CHAKRA? He's already proven that he doesn't just go directly for the kill blow, but instead plays around with his prey. So why did he just go directly to a full body complete susano'o? I think the answerr's obvious. He CAN'T!!! If he goes beyond incomplete, he is forced to use the full body.
This information is here to clarify that the full body Susano'o is Exclusive to Madara, except for possibly Izuna, who was said t be equal in every way until Madara took his eyes.
Now for the debatable part. . . Stability.
THIS is where Sasuke actually CAN further increase his Susano'o's power. Once the chakra is stabolized on a Susano'o, its physical appearance seems to change drastically and also gains another boost in power, as seen when Madarauses it and his Susano'o aquired new weapons AND got roughly 40-50 feet taller than the already overly massive unstabolized Final Susano'o. In this instance, the tecnique is NOT exclusive to Madara and ANYONE with a Susano'o that has matured into its Final form can achieve this ascended transformation with enough practice and chakra control. I believe THIS will be Sasuke's next power-up before he competes with Naruto.
And for those who still claim that Rinnegan is needed to attain a stabolized Final Susano'o. . . :flaw: DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH!!!:flaw:
This simple page is ALL the proof you need.
These words spoken by Madara HIMSELF indirectly prove that he has used this insane tecnique in the past. If all who see the Final Susano'o die, then WHO THE HELL DID HE USE THAT THING ON??? Obviously someone OTHER than the 5 Kage and POSSIBLY Hashirama. And if you honestly think he needed Rinnegan to use it, take a look at this.
You think Madara was going to fight like THAT??? HELL NO!!!!!! Madara was practically DEAD at that point and had to attatch himself to the Mazou Statue in order to maintain his life. He couldn't even move. AND He had ALREADY given up his eyes to someone else (Nagato).
Now I know the next statement. . . "Well he could've been attacked along the way by some OP psycho. He could've used it then." If that were the case, he would've gotten mobbed and the world would know that Madara Uchiha is still alive!!! Honestly, how the HELL do you hide a f**king shadow warrior twice the size of the Statue of Liberty???. . . I rest my case. . .
Hopefully this clears things up for you. And I appologise for the length.
:scorps:Let me just step in and clean up this :flaw: COWABUNGA F**K:flaw:. . .
Well lets see what we've got here, shall we. A lot of people are wondering about Sasuke's Final Susano'o being like Madara's Final Susano'o. Let me just clear things up here. . . SASUKE ALREADY HAS A FINAL SUSANO'O!!!
Now that the cat's outta the bag, Lets get to the proof.
Now lets look at the obvious. . . Astetics
We know that the susano'o goes through different stages of development. Ribcage>Incomplete>Complete>Final>Perfect Final (Stabolized).
As we hace seen, Sasuke has already aquired the final Susano'o.
Lets just compare it with Madara's and Itachi's to be clear.
Itachi's Final Susano'o
Madara's Ninal Susano'o
And Sasuke's Final Susano'o
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Madara's Ninal Susano'o
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And Sasuke's Final Susano'o
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EMS version
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Now what does this prove. Well, visually they all look roughly the same. Same basic art design, same textural patterns, and same conditions for activation.
Now here's where the confusion seems to lye. There are two points of confusion. Full body V.S. Torso and Stability.
Lets look at the bodily structure first.
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Obviously, Madara's looks (and most likely IS) far superior to Sasuke's. But you ust remember, Susano'o Differs from one individual to the next. Itachi's Susano'o manifested the legendary weapons Totsuka blade & Yata Mirror. Sasuke has a sword that automatically activates his inferno style jutsu and sets ablaze anything it touches with Amaterasu! In Madara's case, he hasn't any spectacular weapons or anything, but what he DOES have is a Susano'o that can freely walk, run, JUMP!, AND CAST NINJUTSU BY ITSELF!!! Also notice that Madara NEVER ONCE manifested the torso alone in a COMPLETE form, but only in an incomplete form. When do we FINALLY See the complete Susano'o?
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Now here's a question. . . WHY DIDN'T HE JUST USE THE COMPLETE TORSO AND SAVE SOME CHAKRA? He's already proven that he doesn't just go directly for the kill blow, but instead plays around with his prey. So why did he just go directly to a full body complete susano'o? I think the answerr's obvious. He CAN'T!!! If he goes beyond incomplete, he is forced to use the full body.
This information is here to clarify that the full body Susano'o is Exclusive to Madara, except for possibly Izuna, who was said t be equal in every way until Madara took his eyes.
Now for the debatable part. . . Stability.
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THIS is where Sasuke actually CAN further increase his Susano'o's power. Once the chakra is stabolized on a Susano'o, its physical appearance seems to change drastically and also gains another boost in power, as seen when Madarauses it and his Susano'o aquired new weapons AND got roughly 40-50 feet taller than the already overly massive unstabolized Final Susano'o. In this instance, the tecnique is NOT exclusive to Madara and ANYONE with a Susano'o that has matured into its Final form can achieve this ascended transformation with enough practice and chakra control. I believe THIS will be Sasuke's next power-up before he competes with Naruto.
And for those who still claim that Rinnegan is needed to attain a stabolized Final Susano'o. . . :flaw: DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH!!!:flaw:
This simple page is ALL the proof you need.
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These words spoken by Madara HIMSELF indirectly prove that he has used this insane tecnique in the past. If all who see the Final Susano'o die, then WHO THE HELL DID HE USE THAT THING ON??? Obviously someone OTHER than the 5 Kage and POSSIBLY Hashirama. And if you honestly think he needed Rinnegan to use it, take a look at this.
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You think Madara was going to fight like THAT??? HELL NO!!!!!! Madara was practically DEAD at that point and had to attatch himself to the Mazou Statue in order to maintain his life. He couldn't even move. AND He had ALREADY given up his eyes to someone else (Nagato).
Now I know the next statement. . . "Well he could've been attacked along the way by some OP psycho. He could've used it then." If that were the case, he would've gotten mobbed and the world would know that Madara Uchiha is still alive!!! Honestly, how the HELL do you hide a f**king shadow warrior twice the size of the Statue of Liberty???. . . I rest my case. . .
Hopefully this clears things up for you. And I appologise for the length.
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Sarutobi Joshua
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To say that sasuke can stabilize his Susanoo to the same lvl as Madara without the rinnegan ,doesnt sound right, obviously he doesn't require the rinnegan to have the final (pardon my use of perfect previously), we've seen it. But Madara did activate his Rinnegan when transforming his Susanoo into it's final...err...perfect..the big one, so that would point to the Rinnegan being a requirement for achieving its top form.
But like you said he gained the Rinnegan when he was old as hell, and he did say that all who see it have died. But I'd argue that thats just some cold and epic shit to say to some people before you ice them lol. Theres a flaw that goes both ways, if someone says that the Rinnegan isnt a requirement, then it begs the question : Why did he activate it at the moment he did. On the flip side if it is a requirement, who the hell did he fight, and how did he have enough chakra to do this in the state he was in. Unless Kishi genuinely explains it to us, its all conjecture.
But like you said he gained the Rinnegan when he was old as hell, and he did say that all who see it have died. But I'd argue that thats just some cold and epic shit to say to some people before you ice them lol. Theres a flaw that goes both ways, if someone says that the Rinnegan isnt a requirement, then it begs the question : Why did he activate it at the moment he did. On the flip side if it is a requirement, who the hell did he fight, and how did he have enough chakra to do this in the state he was in. Unless Kishi genuinely explains it to us, its all conjecture.
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I can see where you are coming from on that note. However, have you noticed that Madara's Rinnegan seems to be Constant? If you look back in the manga, you can see that Madara has his susano'o activated in ALL stages WITHOUT swtching between Rinnegan and EMS. His Rinnegan is constantly activated the whole time. This is probably doe to his eyes evolving to even greater heights while retaining the same jutsu as before. The prime example is when he activated his unstabolized Final Susano'o.
These are 5 Specific spots where you can CLEARLY see madara using Susano'o with his Rinnegan active, yet no Rinnegan influence is present.
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Why would he need Rinnegan to activate a normal EMS tecnique? And why doesn't he have to deactivate Rinnegan to use EMS tecniques? This is just My two cents on the case, and as always, I have come with manga proof to back up my claim.
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Oh im not saying that he needs the Rinnegan to activate susanoo, my thought process was like this , he activates his susanoo via EMS, which he did, but then by activating his Rinnegan with Susanoo already activated to some exten he can influence the strength of his Susanoo even more by making it "stabilize", I just look at Sasuke and think, hey his Susanoo got an upgrade along with his eyes, would it get another upgrade with the rinnegan and what would it look like. Then I see Madara, who possesses the Rinnegan, and a vastly different Susanoo than what weve seen previously, and it seems like it would make sense.
JUICEMON GENESIS
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I kinda thought about that too. You never know. But I doubt Sasuke is getting Rinnegan. Where's he getting the Senu DNA? But back on topic, I can see where you would draw your conclusion and its a pretty good one, even if I disagree with it.
Sarutobi Joshua
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He munched on Karin at least twice for sure, so that might work.
And yeah likewise.
Madara had PS for a while, he got the Rinnegan near death so he had PS before he got the Rinnegan. Sasuke would never take Senju DNA he is too proud of being a member of the Uchiha clan.
You don't need the Rinnegan to awaken Perfect Susanoo.
Besides Sasuke would just become Mini Madara if he gets Rinnegan and Wood Style.
Sasuke's Susanoo isn't perfect yet because he just got the EMS, he hasn't really gone all out yet and Susanoo upgrades in stages. It will get there in future fights.
You don't need the Rinnegan to awaken Perfect Susanoo.
Besides Sasuke would just become Mini Madara if he gets Rinnegan and Wood Style.
Sasuke's Susanoo isn't perfect yet because he just got the EMS, he hasn't really gone all out yet and Susanoo upgrades in stages. It will get there in future fights.
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sagenaruto29
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It is not hard to figure this out if you really read the manga, Sasuke can't get the perfect susanoo because he doesn't have Senju DNA which will give hiim the rinnegan. Madara made it clear when he used perfect susanoo that it was perfect because of the rinnegan.
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i think his going to... if madara and itachi has uncomplete susanoo then sasuke will eventually get it ... if not how will kishi show us what perfect susanoo looks like and its power.. there is no other uchicha left ... only sasuke...