Sasuke, who has superior shape manipulation skill than him?

[Sageflash]

Used it once...didn't accomplish shit with it. Overrated

This. I never got the infatuation some people had with that jutsu. It was merely a pawn to hype up Susano'o, nothing more. The prep time and conditions needed are out of this world too, it's such an impractical jutsu.

Best shape manipulators, in no particular order:
Hashirama
Naruto
Minato
Jiraiya
Kakashi
Darui
Gaara
Danzo
Mei

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Used it once...didn't accomplish shit with it. Overrated

Ok? But that matters?

 

[FleeOnSight]

Ok? But that matters?

yeahhhh? It can look cool all day if it's shit it's shit

 

[Lana Del Taka]

yeahhhh? It can look cool all day if it's shit it's shit

Still. You're posts have nothing to do with the topic.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Still. You're posts have nothing to do with the topic.

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[Lana Del Taka]

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You seem upset...

 

[FleeOnSight]

You seem upset...

More like flabbergasted at your stupidity

 

[Lana Del Taka]

More like flabbergasted at your stupidity

Ok. Still irrelevant.

 

[WalksInShadows]

The only one that show anything close is Kakashi.

No one actually. Kakashi comes in close 2nd tho.

Nobody, he's the best in this category.

His pretty much the best

you ppl have forgotten completely about Deidara :vincent:

Deidara's clay jutsu are considered by canon to be Doton jutsu. And since he can form his clay into practically anything he wants from a spider to a multiple story high version of himself, i would argue that crown as being his. No one has been seen using that lvl of shape manipulation w/o the powers OP mentioned, not even Sasuke.

 

[silmarill]

Holy cow, 75% of the people here don't seem to know the difference between shape and nature/ manipulation

 

[TrollingSage]

Nothing more is expected from you, I guess:

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Therefore, in front of an incomplete technique, Chidori alone is more advanced. Add further variants to it, and Sasuke's Chidori variants utterly trash Rasangan.

Well someone just went full retard. Spatial recomposition is shape manipulation Einstein

Rasangan is nothing but 'violently spinning compressed chakra'. Unless Physical recompsition is not added, any technique cannot have a proper defined strength and shape. Which is why FRS amounts to proper shape Manupulation, not Rasangan alone.

Yea because rasengan doesn't have a defined shape or strenght right?
Rasengan was said to be the pinnacle of shape manipulation..Mangaphax

 

[shelke]

I don't know how you haven't realized, but spatial formation is shape manipulation.

You do know spatial recomposition is shape manipulation right? Rasengan has extremely advance Shape manipulation in it's base form because that's all it relies on for it's creation, Kakashi said chidori uses spatial recomposition (shape manipulation) and physical recomposition (nature transformation) the page before he stated Rasengan was extremely advance shape manipulation

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The first step for learning Rasengan requires Naruto to concentrate on maintaining the chakra in his hands and release a fix amount continuously

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. Second step, Naruto has to concentrate and increase the chakra's power

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. Third step is where Naruto has to take his chakra which is spinning in many different directions and contain it with even more power than what it took to pass the second step

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Chidori which relies on both shape manipulation and nature transformation to be equal to the Rasengan which is 100% pure shape manipulation. Kakashi calls it Shape manipulation here as well if you need out right words

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And yet ... both of you are not getting my point. It's an incomplete technique. Its proper shape can only be created when its completed. Sasuke modifies the shape of a complete technique through a variety of variants - each with its own shape, and use. To state that an incomplete technique blasts Chidori and its variants out of the water is sheer lunacy.

If Rasangan was the pinnacle of Shape Manipulation - Kakashi states that it's advanced, not that it's the best shape manipulation - then with wind added, it never would have transformed.

As for you Sage, then you don't have to post the whole thing. I know these chapters by heart. Wait what? No it's not equal to chidori in terms of being advanced. Spatial doesn't equal shape actually, it applies anything related to space or anything that would occupy a space. That would be a rough equivalent, a synonymous term.

What Kakashi implies with Spatial, is to materialize a chakra so that it occupies a certain space. If Rasangan was the pinnacle of shape manipulation or a perfect shape, then it wouldn't change shape once it's completed.

 

[lanakui8]

And yet ... both of you are not getting my point. It's an incomplete technique. Its proper shape can only be created when its completed. Sasuke modifies the shape of a complete technique through a variety of variants - each with its own shape, and use. To state that an incomplete technique blasts Chidori and its variants out of the water is sheer lunacy.

If Rasangan was the pinnacle of Shape Manipulation - Kakashi states that it's advanced, not that it's the best shape manipulation - then with wind added, it never would have transformed.

As for you Sage, then you don't have to post the whole thing. I know these chapters by heart. Wait what? No it's not equal to chidori in terms of being advanced. Spatial doesn't equal shape actually, it applies anything related to space or anything that would occupy a space. That would be a rough equivalent, a synonymous term.

What Kakashi implies with Spatial, is to materialize a chakra so that it occupies a certain space. If Rasangan was the pinnacle of shape manipulation or a perfect shape, then it wouldn't change shape once it's completed.

shieke, which is more powerful, chidori or rasengan?

my answer would be: they are pretty much equal.
However, rasengan gets all of its power from pure shape manipulation while chidori on the otherhand needs shape manipulation and nature transformation in order to match the rasengan's power.

Therefore, rasengan is a way higher level of shape manipulation than chidori in order to make up for chidori's shape manipulation + nature transformation.

 

[Bogard]

Naruto is the best

- Highest Shape chakra manipulation(rasengan)
- Highest shape(rasengan)+elemental(futon) manipulation
- Bijudama in base(8:2 ratio)
- Perfect balance of natural energy with spiritual and physical energy
- Chakra type change to match any other individual chakra type

Minato comes as close second because he can perform almost everything Naruto does albeit in smaller scale for the chakra type change especially

 

[shelke]

I don't know how you haven't realized, but spatial formation is shape manipulation.

shieke, which is more powerful, chidori or rasengan?

my answer would be: they are pretty much equal.
However, rasengan gets all of its power from pure shape manipulation while chidori on the otherhand needs shape manipulation and nature transformation in order to match the rasengan's power.

Therefore, rasengan is a way higher level of shape manipulation than chidori in order to make up for chidori's shape manipulation + nature transformation.

Chidori is equal to Base Rasangan. We don't know whether Chidori is more powerful when Sasuke ups the power. He is capable of doing that. FRS is obviously more powerful than Chidori, as it's fueled by Wind Element, and that is canonically stronger than Lightening.

 

[lanakui8]

Chidori is equal to Base Rasangan. We don't know whether Chidori is more powerful when Sasuke ups the power. He is capable of doing that. FRS is obviously more powerful than Chidori, as it's fueled by Wind Element, and that is canonically stronger than Lightening.

....so you agree with me that because chidori = base rasengan, and chidori gets its power from both nature transformation and spacial recomposition while rasengan gets all its power from spacial recomposition that rasengan's spacial recomposition has to be much greater than chidori.

Sasuke 'upping the power of chidori' would be the same thing as naruto 'upping the power of rasengan' not naruto using FRS. IF Sasuke uses a bigger chidori naruto uses a bigger rasengan, if sasuke uses black lightning for chidor, naruto uses senpou or kyuubi chakra rasengan. The end result is innescapable rasengan has to be greater than chidori in spacial manipulation.

 

[shelke]

....so you agree with me that because chidori = base rasengan, and chidori gets its power from both nature transformation and spacial recomposition while rasengan gets all its power from spacial recomposition that rasengan's spacial recomposition has to be much greater than chidori.

Sasuke 'upping the power of chidori' would be the same thing as naruto 'upping the power of rasengan' not naruto using FRS. IF Sasuke uses a bigger chidori naruto uses a bigger rasengan, if sasuke uses black lightning for chidor, naruto uses senpou or kyuubi chakra rasengan. The end result is innescapable rasengan has to be greater than chidori in spacial manipulation.

This thread is not about power.

 

[BloodSeed]

Sasuke showed us throughout Part 2 that he is very talented in shape manipulation. Notable jutsus:

1. Chidori spear
- He can shape his chidori into a very long sharp spear.

2. Chidori senbon
- Impressive shaping of chidori into finely sharp needles.

3. Enton manipulation
- He can shape Enton into blade and arrow.

Who has shown better shape manipulation than him, pre Rikudou power-ups.

Naruto while good at his Rasengan and its variation, still needed Bunshins or chakra arms to be able to shape them well. Still not as impressive as what Sasuke did though IMO.

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minato and naruto

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kakashi knew sasuke also sucks at shape manipulation so he just teach him chidori you mad?

look how kakashi created the rasengan given he is the copy ninja and a genius

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here even kakashi agree's

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[BloodSeed]

....so you agree with me that because chidori = base rasengan, and chidori gets its power from both nature transformation and spacial recomposition while rasengan gets all its power from spacial recomposition that rasengan's spacial recomposition has to be much greater than chidori.

Sasuke 'upping the power of chidori' would be the same thing as naruto 'upping the power of rasengan' not naruto using FRS. IF Sasuke uses a bigger chidori naruto uses a bigger rasengan, if sasuke uses black lightning for chidor, naruto uses senpou or kyuubi chakra rasengan. The end result is innescapable rasengan has to be greater than chidori in spacial manipulation.

correct!

rasengan = perfect shape manipulation
chidori = crude shape manipulation + lightning

rasengan = chidori even it has elemental affinitiy


rasenshiruken = perfect shape manipulation + wind

rasenshiruken>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>chidori

 

[lanakui8]

This thread is not about power.

um..... okay.

Since you haven't responded to the reasoning I just gave, I'm guessing you agree with me that rasengan's shape manipulation must be > chidori's due to chidori being equal to rasengan yet having spacial manipulation and elemental transformation.

Look kakashi even says that he was unable to combine his elemental transformation with rasengan's spacial manipulation:

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Yet kakashi is capable of using raikiri, the S-ranked version of Chidori which is an A rank. That tells you that raikiri and chidori both have much lower leveled shape manipulation than rasengan since kakashi was able to develop those two but failed to make a raiton rasengan.