Sasuke, who has superior shape manipulation skill than him?

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No, it's not. Kakashi invented the chidori, he knows very well that Rasengan is far greater than chidori in shape manipulation. It's the highest form.

Also, BM is also shape Manipulation.

Even Sasuke know's he isn't as good as Naruto.
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We are not talking about the basic Chidori.

That's not shape manipulation, BM is not, what the hell are you talking about?

What Naruto did, spreading chakra for the alliance had nothing to do with shape manipulation.

Raiton is also said to be naturally sharp and have great piercing ability.
Is it? I forget about this.

Nevertheless, Fuuton's advantage among others is its great cutting ability, it's far superior than the other nature manipulation.
 
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We are not talking about the basic Chidori.

That's not shape manipulation, BM is not, what the hell are you talking about?

What Naruto did, spreading chakra for the alliance had nothing to do with shape manipulation.



Is it? I forget about this.

Nevertheless, Fuuton's advantage among others is its great cutting ability, it's far superior than the other nature manipulation.
Jins mold chakra all around themselves.
Every single Jin > Sasuke in Shape Manipulation
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Yamato gave no shits about chidori, but is shocked by the biju chakra. get rekt.
 

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Chidori is a lower ranked skill than Rasengan, not to mention rasenshuriken. And the ranking system in naruto is purely based on the difficulty to preform the jutsu.

Naruto has shown quite a few different versions of rasengans since he first came to the battlefeild. He used the whirlpool rasengan which sucked up a bunch of zetsu, his finger rasengan, and multiple rasengans made quickly with one hand.
 

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Jins mold chakra all around themselves.
Every single Jin > Sasuke in Shape Manipulation
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Yamato gave no shits about chidori, but is shocked by the biju chakra. get rekt.
Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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Naruto is better he is able to shape chakra and different elements at the highest level of shape manipulation (rasengan). Sasuke can't do that. On top of that Naruto is able to add the shape of a shuriken to the rasengan. He can create other shapes to like the chakra claw.

Some people try to down play Naruto skills by saying he needs to use the shadow clone or charka claw, but in fact it makes Naruto look more impressive.

Shadow clones don't add any new ability or skills to Naruto. Shadow clones can only do what the original can do. That means if Naruto couldn't perform the steps need to create the rasengan then he wouldn't be able to create it with a shadow clone. The reason that's impressive is because Naruto and his clones must be in perfect sync with each other to create the rasengan. Nobody else has done that in the manga.

Rasengan Step are:
1 - mold chakra
2 - release chakra
3 - spin chakra in all directions into the shape of a sphere
4 - maintain the shape

Naruto using the chakra claw to create rasengans doesn't make any since because he is multiply his workload. Think about it. Naruto has mold chakra, release chakra, and then shape into a claw and maintain that shape. He then has to control his chakra claw to have it perform one of the rasengan steps. It would be easier to create the justu with one hand without the chakra claw.

The reason Naruto had problems with his chakra control was because of the way the 4th hokage sealed the 9 tails inside Naruto. The 9 tails seal is a high level seal that was designed to allow some of the 9 tails chakra to leak out through the seal and combine with Naruto. Literally there's a seal within a seal. That's reason the seal is made of 2 seals. 1 seal was used to seal the 9 tails inside Naruto and the other seal (cage) keeps the 9 tail restrained. That process made it harder for Naruto to control his own chakra. I have always wonder how much harder does Naruto have to work to control his chakra.

Every since Naruto lost the 9 tails his chakra control skill are no longer being held back. Madara had to break the seal to extract the 9 tails from Naruto. Yes, he was given the other half the 9 tails, but Obito did not use some high level complex seal that's affected Naruto's ability to control chakra. The results is a Naruto who is finally able to use 100% of his chakra control skills. That's the reason Naruto can now easily create one hand element rasengans.

PS: SM, KM, RM and all of his modes don't improve his ability/skill to use or control chakra. Those modes are the result of Naruto's ability/skill to control chakra.

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Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Keep thinking that, I know you're upset because you have nothing to back up your BS, but it's okay. You can still be right in your own head. But don't go spouting that thrash where everyone can see what you wrote.
 

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Keep thinking that, I know you're upset because you have nothing to back up your BS, but it's okay. You can still be right in your own head. But don't go spouting that thrash where everyone can see what you wrote.
Bijuu Mode is the result of cooperation of the Bijuu. The Bijuu lets his chakra wraps the user.

Your scan backfired at you, Naruto was unconscious and the chakra shaped itself.
 

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Agreed. Kirin is probably the ultimate form of shape manipulation
Kirin is not a change in chakra shape/form, it's a change in chakra nature.

OT: When it comes to change in shape/form, anybody capable of of performing the Rasengan is better than Sasuke in terms of the change of chakra form/shape. The Rasengan is higher on the scale of difficulty than the Chidori, Sasuke's change in form.
 

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Agreed. Kirin is probably the ultimate form of shape manipulation
The manga stated the rasengan is the highest level of shape manipulation and that was before Naruto increased the level by add a shuriken to the rasengan. The reason it's the highest level is because chakra/element is spun in all directions into that shape.

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Kirin is still shape manipulation even though its create from natural lightning instead of chakra lightning. Alot of people don't realize that concept is nothing Kakashi did the samething using natural water from a river back in part 1 -
Kirin is the first time anybody did that using lightning. Regardless is still a lower shape manipulation level than the rasengan.
 
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no one. not even naruto. surely he can't use shape manipulation in any technique but rasengan. and he needs bunshin to do that.

sasuke is the best at shape manipulation
 

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Chidori is a lower ranked skill than Rasengan, not to mention rasenshuriken. And the ranking system in naruto is purely based on the difficulty to preform the jutsu.

Naruto has shown quite a few different versions of rasengans since he first came to the battlefeild. He used the whirlpool rasengan which sucked up a bunch of zetsu, his finger rasengan, and multiple rasengans made quickly with one hand.
Both are A ranks what are you talking about.?
 

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no one. not even naruto. surely he can't use shape manipulation in any technique but rasengan. and he needs bunshin to do that.

sasuke is the best at shape manipulation
Naruto is better he is able to shape chakra and different elements at the highest level of shape manipulation (rasengan). Sasuke can't do that. On top of that Naruto is able to add the shape of a shuriken to the rasengan. He can create other shapes to like the chakra claw.

Some people try to down play Naruto skills by saying he needs to use the shadow clone or charka claw, but in fact it makes Naruto look more impressive.

Shadow clones don't add any new ability or skills to Naruto. Shadow clones can only do what the original can do. That means if Naruto couldn't perform the steps need to create the rasengan then he wouldn't be able to create it with a shadow clone. The reason that's impressive is because Naruto and his clones must be in perfect sync with each other to create the rasengan. Nobody else has done that in the manga.

Rasengan Step are:
1 - mold chakra
2 - release chakra
3 - spin chakra in all directions into the shape of a sphere
4 - maintain the shape

Naruto using the chakra claw to create rasengans doesn't make any since because he is multiply his workload. Think about it. Naruto has mold chakra, release chakra, and then shape into a claw and maintain that shape. He then has to control his chakra claw to have it perform one of the rasengan steps. It would be easier to create the justu with one hand without the chakra claw.

The reason Naruto had problems with his chakra control was because of the way the 4th hokage sealed the 9 tails inside Naruto. The 9 tails seal is a high level seal that was designed to allow some of the 9 tails chakra to leak out through the seal and combine with Naruto. Literally there's a seal within a seal. That's reason the seal is made of 2 seals. 1 seal was used to seal the 9 tails inside Naruto and the other seal (cage) keeps the 9 tail restrained. That process made it harder for Naruto to control his own chakra. I have always wonder how much harder does Naruto have to work to control his chakra.

Every since Naruto lost the 9 tails his chakra control skill are no longer being held back. Madara had to break the seal to extract the 9 tails from Naruto. Yes, he was given the other half the 9 tails, but Obito did not use some high level complex seal that's affected Naruto's ability to control chakra. The results is a Naruto who is finally able to use 100% of his chakra control skills. That's the reason Naruto can now easily create one hand element rasengans.

PS: SM, KM, RM and all of his modes don't improve his ability/skill to use or control chakra. Those modes are the result of Naruto's ability/skill to control chakra.

Some Examples:




PS:
I wonder how skilled Sasuke would be if he had a tail beast holding him back and making it harder to control his chakra. Let me know when Sasuke can shape chakra or an element at the highest level of shape manipulation.

Naruto shape manipulation jutsu
-rasengan
-Planetary Rasengan
-wind rasengan
-FRS
-LRS
-Magnet rasengan
-charka claw
-Naruto can even given chakra to anybody and then manipulate the shape of that chakra while is on that individual - to

Naruto doesn't use a lot of different shapes for his shape manipulation jutsu, but that's because he has the rasengan. If he can shape chakra/element at the highest level of shape manipulation than he can shape chakra/element at an other level since they all fall below that level. It also has to do with the strength of the jutsu. We were told shaping an element increases the strength of that element jutsu. So by having Naruto shape these elements at the high level of shape manipulation it's increasing the strength of those elements to the high possible level and shows off Naruto's skills at the same time since he can shape non-affinity elements at the highest level.
 
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