Sasuke was the true underdog.

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Underdog by getting power ups I agree.

True underdog = Lee.

He's up there but not more of one than gaara, got to admit despite his messed up life gaara has the most empathetic dream in IT than anyone

 

[iNotorious]

He's up there but not more of one than gaara, got to admit despite his messed up life gaara has the most empathetic dream in IT than anyone

He wanted friends but I would've loved to see sasuke's dream in IT.

 

[Adam Driver]

I agree even history does not acknowledged sasuke feats during the war or how helped saved the world according the final page of the manga Zzz. Truly an underdog :heh:

He still was considered a criminal of war and Sasuke was aware of that when Kakashi told him in 699, he basically was the final villian or obstacle for Naruto.

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By the end of part 1, Sasuke was the underdog, before Naruto was. In the beginning of Shippuden sure, but once Naruto got SM he wasn't.

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[KingHashirama]

R ofll... no.


Firstly naruto couldnt spam his shunshin. Secondly naruto couldnt master any other techniques... unlike sasuke who got new techs as he gotnupgraded.. naruto has tonuse rasengan or tbb. To claim naruto somehow magically mastered rsm and its usage is insulting any intelligent beings intelligence.

Both were noobs in that.. so were all the juubis jinchurikis.

everyone who got rikudou powers in war arc.. was a noob in them..

 

[Adam Driver]

During part 1 Naruto beat Gaara and even Sasuke thought he was weaker. Once Naruto got SM he wasn't the underdog anymore, at leats for a while. Once he admitted that he couldn't win he was the underdog, to an extent. Then there's the war arc, which I'd agree with.RSM is the only thing that matters and we already saw that.

By the end of part 1, Sasuke was the underdog, before Naruto was. In the beginning of Shippuden sure, but once Naruto got SM he wasn't.

A minority. Most people don't think that.


He did. Naruto doesn't have much more to learn because the Bijuu do everything for him. This is seen when he could implement the Bijuus KKG into RS by simply asking, RS being his most complex technique. He could heal Kakashi's eye without even trying and knew how to shape the gudoudamas immediately.

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[Dannie]

Sasuke was never the underdog. He lost that title the moment he decided to go to Orochimaru for the Curse Seal. If he was an underdog then he wouldn't have bothered with that kind of power, no matter how badass it made him look, it completely negates this thread. He is also a transmigrant of Indra which nullifies this even more.

Naruto isn't any good either. All of that chakra he was borrowing from the Kyubi and the other tailed beasts during the war, and to top it off he is the Child Of Prophecy and a descendant of Ashura.

The only person that comes close to being an underdog in Team 7 is Sakura, but she asked for training from one of the well known medics in the ninja world, so she is not one either, because she doesn't train on her own without knowing when she needs to train. She only wanted to get stronger as soon as Sasuke left the village. She did not have this mindset at any time before, so she is not qualified for this title either. She was also known for having the highest grades in her class and being the smartes kunoichi in her generation. That alone debunks Sakura.

Lee trains everyday, even when he is not asked to, and he was such a loser during his childhood, but he proved to everyone that he could become a ninja with just taijutsu. Neji called him a failure countless times but his battle with Gaara made him change his perspective of Lee. He is an underdog because people didn't have faith in him but he showed them that he could become a taijutsu specialist without any talent in the other areas.

 

[Daybreaker]

I see you cannot rebut or debunk my RSM statement I'm nit disputing hat he had to kidnap the bijuu to beat Naruto but it's just Naruto fanboys are losing credibility, first they said indra's arrow would get wrekt by the two rasenshurikens, it was a tie as I said even back then, why sasuke was about to give the blow, they said it would be a kage bunshin, I saw no smoke point is Naruto and sasuke were fighting on equal footing even before Naruto absorbed all that chakra from nature via kurama. And a bijuu susano was giving Naruto a run for his money, even kurama who said it was a bit much later said if he or Naruto used any less then it would've been gg for them . Naruto used strategy to counter an opponent who at the time was stronger than him so why can't sasuke do the same? If anything this seems bias. Sasuke also has preta so why can't he again? Asura avatar Naruto was just there for the same reason why Naruto at twelve needed a clone to make a rasengan to handle the power the more arms the merrier. People may say "then what does sasuke do to nature those two rasenshurikens if they were thrown or if about nature buffed Naruto?" sasuke's susano has proved to be rather fast so it would dodge via amenojikara easily with Naruto or the battle would continue to stalemate until someone out did the other. We can only assume but in the end kishi said they are equal meaning sasuke would obviously use strategy while against a stronger opponent. All people think about is power but they forget intelligence and cunning are a factor whereas sasuke us smarter than Naruto even with lack of chakra supply that Naruto has massive amounts of. With that logic kaguya should've negged both Naruto and sasuke but they outsmarted and defeated her they are equal kishi's words>any fapboy logic even sasuke fapboys and Naruto fapboys

Sasuke is smarter but naruto has better stamina. In terms of raw power without sasuke kidnapping the bijuus, naruto is stronger. If Full powered naruto with all 9 bijuus vs full powered 2 rinnegan sasuke, Naruto will prevail. Naruto is not that stupid either.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke was never the underdog. He lost that title the moment he decided to go to Orochimaru for the Curse Seal. If he was an underdog then he wouldn't have bothered with that kind of power, no matter how badass it made him look, it completely negates this thread. He is also a transmigrant of Indra which nullifies this even more.

Naruto isn't any good either. All of that chakra he was borrowing from the Kyubi and the other tailed beasts during the war, and to top it off he is the Child Of Prophecy and a descendant of Ashura.

The only person that comes close to being an underdog in Team 7 is Sakura, but she asked for training from one of the well known medics in the ninja world, so she is not one either, because she doesn't train on her own without knowing when she needs to train. She only wanted to get stronger as soon as Sasuke left the village. She did not have this mindset at any time before, so she is not qualified for this title either. She was also known for having the highest grades in her class and being the smartes kunoichi in her generation. That alone debunks Sakura.

Lee trains everyday, even when he is not asked to, and he was such a loser during his childhood, but he proved to everyone that he could become a ninja with just taijutsu. Neji called him a failure countless times but his battle with Gaara made him change his perspective of Lee. He is an underdog because people didn't have faith in him but he showed them that he could become a taijutsu specialist without any talent in the other areas.

lee trains hard because his focus is taijutsu. if he disnt have a gifted body.. he wouldnt be able to take all that teaining.

 

[Neji Hyūga2]

They were both nerfed, un mastered rinnegan sasuke ties with non intent to kill serious Naruto, mastered rinnegan sasuke in VOTE2 would just cause Naruto to fight with intent to kill and they'd still even out . It wouldn't make sense for an unmastered rinnegan sasuke to equal an intent to kill Naruto as that would just imply mastered rinnegan sasuke destroys Naruto when they are both equal. Why can't people just take them being equal is kishi's own words so hard to comprehend

There's nothing hard about it. I did say they were equal, I just think Naruto was the underdog compared to the two which is true because the whole basis of the series was Naruto "catching up" to Sasuke and at the end they were equals.

 

[KingHashirama]

@neji.. claiming naruto and sasuke are equal is like claiming goku and vegeta were equal... or hashirama and madara were equal.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

R ofll... no.


Firstly naruto couldnt spam his shunshin. Secondly naruto couldnt master any other techniques... unlike sasuke who got new techs as he gotnupgraded.. naruto has tonuse rasengan or tbb. To claim naruto somehow magically mastered rsm and its usage is insulting any intelligent beings intelligence.

Both were noobs in that.. so were all the juubis jinchurikis.

everyone who got rikudou powers in war arc.. was a noob in them..

Universal comprehension of all things says hello everything you said I already debunked and/or addressed I can't believe you're just bringing up material I've already debunked , grasping at the straws eh? I also remember how Minato was limited to FTG and rasengan among a few other techs and was still able be boss in the battle field it's not solely about you're limitations it's how you're able to deal with those limitations against one who isn't quite as limited, hence the kaguya statement, she had more chakra than Naruto and sasuke and godly techs while sasuke and Naruto were limited on what they could use to fight her yet they made use of these limitations as I said before and they managed to seal her, through collaboration.

You don't seem to comprehend the plasticity of the human mind, there are savants out there that on first try can master what is completely new to them and with universal comprehension of all things, Naruto, by extension is a savant, not to speak of someone like Naruto who had precedents towards using his power unlike sasuke. I feel like you on the inside know you are wrong but just want to argue because admitting someone is wrong is the hardest thing for any human. What you are doing sir is grasping at straws that I've already plucked out and Naruto couldn't master any tech? Dude....you and I both know how that is debunkable and knowing from the posts you post on NB you are smart enough to know why. And yeah sure because saauke TOTALLY has universal comprehension of all eye techs right? Which explains why he used asura path and deva path to get rid of naruto's rasengan right?...no even the kyuubi said sasuke was new to his powers and his eye itself was still new. And what would happen had he mastered it. Again you have no proof that states Naruto hadn't mastered his power notice how I say mastered as nothing can truly be perfected as he can improve on it but he s at a level of mastered. Yet I give proof that says sasuke was still new to his. They are equal, even kishi backs me up on this, and once again, kishi>any fapboy logic

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

He wanted friends but I would've loved to see sasuke's dream in IT.

Probably along the lines of gaara, his family back with itachi, Naruto, and shisui just chilling. That or it's a dream that for some reason involves Karin. Despite him being my fave I would enjoy gaaara's more as it's more heartfelt

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

There's nothing hard about it. I did say they were equal, I just think Naruto was the underdog compared to the two which is true because the whole basis of the series was Naruto "catching up" to Sasuke and at the end they were equals.

Exactly I don't get why the average sasuke fan or Naruto fan can't comprehend this, and I didn't mean for it to be jst restricted to you, I just meant in general. If Naruto was a senju them being equal would be such a negative factor

 

[Rikodou Mode]

Lies. Everyone knew Sasuke would surpass Madara ever since his name was mentioned. Many of us knew he was gonna get a Rinnegan after Nagato got defeated. And Sasuke has always been ahead until Naruto got Sage Mode because he had many power ups.

 

[Daybreaker]

Universal comprehension of all things says hello everything you said I already debunked and/or addressed I can't believe you're just bringing up material I've already debunked , grasping at the straws eh? I also remember how Minato was limited to FTG and rasengan among a few other techs and was still able be boss in the battle field it's not solely about you're limitations it's how you're able to deal with those limitations against one who isn't quite as limited, hence the kaguya statement, she had more chakra than Naruto and sasuke and godly techs while sasuke and Naruto were limited on what they could use to fight her yet they made use of these limitations as I said before and they managed to seal her, through collaboration.

You don't seem to comprehend the plasticity of the human mind, there are savants out there that on first try can master what is completely new to them and with universal comprehension of all things, Naruto, by extension is a savant, not to speak of someone like Naruto who had precedents towards using his power unlike sasuke. I feel like you on the inside know you are wrong but just want to argue because admitting someone is wrong is the hardest thing for any human. What you are doing sir is grasping at straws that I've already plucked out and Naruto couldn't master any tech? Dude....you and I both know how that is debunkable and knowing from the posts you post on NB you are smart enough to know why. And yeah sure because saauke TOTALLY has universal comprehension of all eye techs right? Which explains why he used asura path and deva path to get rid of naruto's rasengan right?...no even the kyuubi said sasuke was new to his powers and his eye itself was still new. And what would happen had he mastered it. Again you have no proof that states Naruto hadn't mastered his power notice how I say mastered as nothing can truly be perfected as he can improve on it but he s at a level of mastered. Yet I give proof that says sasuke was still new to his. They are equal, even kishi backs me up on this, and once again, kishi>any fapboy logic

they're not equal. LOL. Sasuke kidnapped 9 bijuus. He knows he can't beat naruto without them.

 

[KingHashirama]

Exactly I don't get why the average sasuke fan or Naruto fan can't comprehend this, and I didn't mean for it to be jst restricted to you, I just meant in general. If Naruto was a senju them being equal would be such a negative factor

Naruto is a senju .. via his uzumaki blood.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Sasuke is smarter but naruto has better stamina. In terms of raw power without sasuke kidnapping the bijuus, naruto is stronger. If Full powered naruto with all 9 bijuus vs full powered 2 rinnegan sasuke, Naruto will prevail. Naruto is not that stupid either.

In terms of raw power kaguya also destroys both Naruto and sasuke, but sasuke's Tomoe rinnegan equates to if not stronger than two rinnegan eyes just saying. But I get what you mean, if sasuke went head to head against full health full bijuu mode Naruto with no clear mind he would get annihilated, as the power of the bijuu would just be that much, a lot. But that isn't to say sasuke wouldn't have something up his sleeve, as when hashirama was able to against all odds handle both madara and the kyuubi a factor that should be completely against him. Just because someone is in an unfavorable circumstances does not mean they autolose that's just close minded and basic thinking.ecen obito went inside madara and took the bijuu out something no one expected so sasuke shouldn't be far off as beginning arc two sasuke managed to suppress the kyuubi. We don't know what type of powers a mastered rinnegan sasuke would even have but I'm sure sasuke would have something due to the versatility of his arsenal plus if you can make a susano chidori anything is possible. Naruto isn't an imbecile ( battle wise) he's just crafty, it's not like sasuke can't suppress the bijuu or is just completely powerless before him as sasuke will perform feats for the lack of power.konohamaru managed to take down a path of pein albeit it was distracted I think a feat is still a feat, anything is possible after that .

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Naruto is a senju .. via his uzumaki blood.

And uchiha are senju via hagoromo...uchihas have a closer relation to the senju than uzumaki's who were known to be long DISTANT relatives of the senju. Hyuugas are also ootsukichi and vise versa because they came from the same ancestor right? I also suppose a hyuuga can just naturally gain a tenseigan too while they're at it... That's not even how genetics work...at...all...narito is part uzumaki, part namikaze, correction...he's a hybrid making it worse. Heck according to stats base sasuke was always stronger than base Naruto (before RSM) how can this be when senju are yang (physical) and uchihas are yin (spiritual), Naruto shouldbe had the edge but okay, the glory of genetics I guess

 

[take it easy]

Naruto inherited from Minato only eyes and hair color.

It was stated several times in manga that his abilities come from Kushina.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

they're not equal. LOL. Sasuke kidnapped 9 bijuus. He knows he can't beat naruto without them.

Random fanboys words over kishi...i wonder who to believe.... And why wouldn't he take the chance? If you were sasuke would you just blindly challenge Naruto without bijuu that you KNOW you can suppress, that you KNOW you can control, that you KNOW you can use their power? It'd be freaking stupid to not do what sasuke did because then you're placing yourself at a disadvantage by letting your enemy have resources that you could easily take advantage of...itd be like me running a business and having the ability to make the greatest deal that could boost my companies AVCs and overall performance but I don't and let my competition outdo me because I can't outdo my competition without doing what I originally plotted? Again have Naruto fans not heard of taking advantage of resource? It's like you guys don't even try to think anymore . Sasuke simply used what was available to hhich was smart, and if he didn't he'd be purposely (basically) putting himself at a severe handicap that he could easily avoid that doesn't need to happen...because...reasons???????

Kishi has repeatedly said their equal and the more I dispute this the mire I feel peoole's resolve weakening, they are equal, kishi's words, deal with it sasuke fans and Naruto fans and stop this ceaseless war